What role can Dublin or London play if OFMdFM refuse to play ball with each other?

I’m hoping that we’ll have something more detailed on this subject in upcoming weeks, but Brian Feeney in this morning’s Irish News pours scorn on Dublin’s senior Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan for not taking more of a lead on Northern Ireland’s deadlock…

Feeney lack of Dublin leadership

It begs the question of what role can Dublin (or even London for that matter) play, when there seems to be so little leadership emanating from the Northern Irish parties themselves?

  • barnshee

    nothing really –no representation without taxation- pony up or shut up

  • Morpheus

    A big role. Trust is obviously not there between the Nationalist and Unionist politicians (and electorate) so take them out of the equation completely by giving power to a committee of TDs and MPs who have a scooby-do what they are doing and will work together to get NI off it’s knees and on it’s feet.

    The British and Irish Governments took the stabilizers off the bike before they made sure their kid could actually cycle, hence why we are in the ditch.

    I know it would never happen because nests have been well and truly feathered by now but how delicious is the prospect of those fighting so hard for welfare cuts now to be on the receiving end of those cuts in the near future.

  • chrisjones2

    We dont need a committee. We can have a Secretary oi State and 1 minister to do the jobs of the 104 of them. Theres a saving of £20m as a starter

  • gunterprien

    Do Jersey or Guersney pay tax?
    Does Gibraltar?
    Are they out of the empire? You going to take the Union Jack off them?
    Oh pray tell you are anti imperialist and you wave goodbye to these “oversea terrorties” or colonies as we say.

  • Kevin Breslin

    Feeney is completely wrong here, the Tories reneged on House of Lords reform, why should the Lib Dems kowtow to that? Why bother being in a coalition if the senior party gets everything and you get nothing?

    If constituency reform passed, and the House of Lords remained as is, the British government would have collapsed. It’s the NI equivalent of the DUP demanding the removal of Sinn Féin’s petition of concern and having two for themselves.

  • Tacapall

    What role can Dublin or London play if OFMdFM refuse to play ball with each other”

    Well for a start they could do what they promised the people who voted for the GFA they would be – guarantors of the political agreements.

    “If difficulties arise which require remedial action across the range of
    institutions, or otherwise require amendment of the British-Irish Agreement or relevant legislation, the process of review will fall to the two Governments in consultation with the parties in the Assembly. Each Government will be responsible for action in its own jurisdiction”

  • MainlandUlsterman

    London can bring in alternative administrative arrangements if necessary. Dublin can’t do anything as it’s not their country, but they can watch what we do here and nod if they like – or not.

  • barnshee

    Do GIb and Guernsey pay tax to the UK Exchequer? er no–do they have a “say” the UK parliament -NO. HMG would be grateful for — oh say 5/6 billion —to help fund theIrish citizens in N Ireland

  • gunterprien

    I knew you’d say that.
    But those islands mentioned. ( And the isle of Man )DO have a say in the Council of the isles.
    Which would IMO be the vehicle of Joint authority
    And I bet you think I didn’t think things through 🙂

  • Morpheus

    I’ll say again: PLAN B

  • barnshee

    and what exactly is the “say” they have- and what effect arises from it SFA
    what effect has the “council of isles” had— again SFA

    HMG carries on as it pleases-no representation and no effect without contribution ( taxation)

  • gunterprien

    You keep telling yourself that.
    But I believe this comment section is about what happens AFTER the executive is suspended. Ergo. It’s immaterial as to what the Council of the isles does when the executive is up and running. As If it was to collapse this would be a NEW day. You follow. It’s joint authority type argument

  • barnshee

    “You follow. It’s joint authority type argument”

    Exactly –and no representation without taxation aka the piper plays the tune payed for follows

  • gunterprien

    Well England created the problems.So you’ll have to pay to fix it.
    The Irish asked you to leave. several times and you turned them down. Even going so far as to send a gunboat up the Liffey. And threatening to use plunging 14″ Naval Battleship cannon ( Churchill ) . You would have made the Lufffwaffe Condor Legion over Guernica ( you know that Picasso artwork in the UN -Never again etc. ); look like a Teddy bears picnic. ( tut tut)
    So I think that’s worth your money.
    Germany just paid 75% of the cost of a Submarine to Israel.
    Where’s Britain paying for Irish Navy, High speed Rail. Roads, education.
    God knows you buried enough of your in your sojourn here.
    I am unsympathetic to your financial arguments.
    I consider your money as reparations.

  • barnshee

    “Germany just paid 75% of the cost of a Submarine to Israel.
    Where’s Britain paying for Irish Navy, High speed Rail. Roads, education.”

    Just as soon as the UK gasses 6 million Irish I will be prepared to support ” Britain paying for Irish Navy, High speed Rail. Roads, education.”

  • gunterprien

    But you put them on Coffin ships. Sent them to the Caribean as slaves.
    Starved them to death.
    Just because Imperial Chemical Industries didn’t invent Zyklon-B.
    Don’t let that you stand on Ceremony.
    Techincal details like gas chambers.are nothing to hide behind.

  • barnshee

    Treated them EXACTLY the same way the English treated the ENGLISH no discrimination what so ever.

  • Tacapall

    The English starved 1.5 million other English people to death, when did this happen ?

  • gunterprien

    Really. You sent English to the carribean as slaves?
    But you did it all with a Racial and sectarian zeal. and a cultural zeal.Particular to Ireland.
    Don’t remember the English in Coffin ships or deploying the Royal Navy to stop the Turks from sending in aid. Or destroying the culture.
    And anyhow.
    If the British thought their ways and means was so superior and you say that the English themselves suffered under English rule.
    Then what gave the English ; any right to believe they were world class leaders , when as you suggest , they couldn’t provide for their own citizens?
    Surely if they were superior beings. Their land should have been Utopia before they enslaved the rest of the world.
    The fact that is wasn’t does NOT excuse their actions Rather it raises even more questions about what the heck right that they thought they had.
    And if it was wrong.Then it must all be Undone.Every single last bit.
    And humility must be shown. Not arrogance or condescension.
    And abject and true remorse expressed in word and deed.
    Germany has undergone such a route.
    England..Not so much.
    Farmers sending their hay over was welcomed and a nice gesture..But I’m thinking more of the British state. Where are they at?

  • mickfealty

    Yes do. Keep on saying it. I guess if the Shinners go into government next year in Dublin we can expect an engineered collapse in Northern Ireland. Then you can say it some more.

    Mind out everyone, PLAN B is coming!

  • Morpheus

    Very mature, well done you

  • barnshee

    “The English starved 1.5 million other English people to death, when did this happen ?”

    They starved everybody

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Famine-Scotland-Scottish-Historical-Monographs/dp/0748638873

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1315%E2%80%9317

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines “there were 95 famines in Britain during the Middle ages

    Slavery ?

    How as Australia settled?

    PS Dublin was a big player in the old slave trade

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_British_Isles

  • Tacapall

    You use Wikipedia as a source –

    http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia

    How many people died of starvation during the Scottish famine ?

  • barnshee

    How many people died of starvation during the Scottish famine ?

    No idea try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Potato_Famine

    some 15% of the population ??

  • Tacapall

    I take it you never read the link about Wikipedia.