#IndyRef: Dublin silent, an insouciant NI and an abrupt resumption of British constitutional history

So this morning I joined an Irish Times Inside Politics panel to talk about the implications of a decision next week in favour of Scottish independence for Ireland and Northern Ireland…

Some of the highlights include…

– ‘Neo unionist’ silence of Dublin and the unspoken fear of unintended consequences, particularly within Europe…

– The dream versus Ireland’s lived reality of a currency union in the first fifty years of the state’s history…

– No show of Ireland as an exemplary model of independence in the #IndyRef narrative…

– Indyref polling date as centenary of the Home Rule and the re-engagement of Britain with its own constitutional history…

– Sectarian tribalism as guarantor against the possibility of constitutional game change…

– Will Northern Ireland be the very last part of the United Kingdom to finally grow and leave home?

Arthur Beesley and Paddy Smyth for the home team, myself and Alex Massie ‘just visiting’ and patiently chaired by Hugh Linihan…

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  • kensei

    Ireland wasn’t brought up as an exemplary model because of the crisis. It was brought up a lot before then. You might ask why No hasn’t brought it up more, but in fact Ireland is a successful EU state – present difficulties or not – with lots of things inconvenient for No. As ever it is short term over long term every time.

    And I remain unconvinced Dublin is neo Unionist. Just concerned with its own interest, like every independent state. Plus you have FG in, not noted for banging a Nationalist drum.

  • Jag

    Fair enough that the Dublin government is silent on the subject, for diplomatic reasons at the very least.

    But how come the Shinners – ye know, the biggest party on the island of Ireland – aren’t being voluble. You’d think themes of polls and independence, particularly with an English angle would be germaine to their soul.

    Ah well, perhaps easier to “slam” the latest anti-social incident.

  • barnshee

    The northern part of an island opts to go stay away from the rest of the island SF are hardly likely to support that as a stategy

  • Jag

    Well they certainly support independence of one part of a peninsula from the other, in northern Spain.

    With so much negative press about the OO’s march on Saturday next, and its potential to alienate Scottish Catholics, I wonder if there is reciprocal concern that a Shinners’ statement would alienate Presbyterians.

  • aidan mcguire

    re point about election in 2015 being an issue – word is that UK may postpone election for 1 year bypassing the issue of Scottish MP’s

  • Jag

    Gerry Adams speaking on RTE Radio this morning said that SF took a decison “some time ago” not to get involved in the Scottish referendum debate.
    Said that the GFA was the first fracture in the “union” of the UK because it got rid of the Government of Ireland Act.
    Said that regardless of outcome next week, the devolution of new powers to Scotland (in case of “no” vote) would be significant to Northern Ireland.

    (Oh, and he took a pop at the Irish govt foreign affairs minister, Charlie Flanagan, claiming Charlie was motivated by narrow domestic political considerations in his dealings with Norn Iron)

    (Oh and again, rejected as “lazy” the criticism of SF’s achievements or lack thereof, in the Storm Mount assembly).

  • mickfealty

    I think it is a reference from Paddy to describe the way the Dublin establishment would rather Scotland didn’t leave because of the ‘bloody inconvenience, disruption and expense it would undoubtedly put a recovering Ireland.

    Not that anyone can or will say that in public. Not so much unionist as neo Augustinian… “Lord make me a good Republican, but just not quite in these particular circumstances…”