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This from android developer Shen Ye, is why we have rules based engagement on Slugger

  • gendjinn

    Comments section is where awkward questions get asked like – how come there’s plenty of time to take another dig at Gerry Adams’ IRA membership denials but when British terrorists threaten school children in north Belfast there’s tumbleweeds?

  • Morpheus

    Or why the DUP screamed from the rooftops when there was a parade in Castlederg yet were remarkably silent when it came to the UVF parade in Coleraine and the annual Brian Robinson parade, complete with police standoff.

    Sham of a party, absolute cowardly sham.

  • Mick Fealty

    First, this was a light hearted compliment to our commenters. The rules here actually help commenters perform upwardly compared to some of the big news paper sites where it is very much never mind the quality feel the width.

    On the complaints, sceptical scrutiny of senior politicians like Gerry Adams will always be given an appropriate priority over the activities of a political party that has just one councillor on the city council. Would you say scrutiny of Caroline Lucas should take priority over David Cameron?

    There’s nothing to stop the various republican bloggers from covering the stories you mention, although I generally do not think it wise to get involved in speculation about threats whether it is confirmed or unconfirmed by the PSNI.

    If we did, we’d never stop. There’s an awful lot of gossiping and petty gaming at the street level which has now become more evident on Facebook and Twitter, which I also prefer not to touch. One because it is most often hearsay, and two, in my book is about petty rivalry rather than politics.

    The Castlederg parade was a Sinn Fein operation sanctioned at the highest possible level within the party and directly and controversially addressed by a senior member of the NI Policing Board. It deserved every piece of attention we could give it. and it was in anyone’s (but the most partisan) book politically highly significant.

    The UVF/PUP on the other hand is a rival to power to the DUP.

  • tacapall

    Its not like you to miss a trick Mick but The DUP and Sinn Fein have actually joined forces and agreed on a motion that could possibly have consequences for everyone yet either no-one noticed or some people are trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes. Just why have the DUP supported Sinn Fein in their objection to Dave Cox remaining chief of the HET especially one who treats security force members and their alleged involvement in murder as trivial and unimportant.

  • Mick Fealty

    Good spot Tac…

    Think it might have been the need to be seen to be doing something after the NI Audit Office caught the NI Policing Board napping on the job and, erm, not in the least holding the PSNI to account…

  • Barnshee

    “Just why have the DUP supported Sinn Fein in their objection to Dave Cox remaining chief of the HET especially one who treats security force members and their alleged involvement in murder as trivial and unimportant.”

    Because I suspect the DUPERS have a long list of “uninvestigated” republican murders up their sleeve and they have agreed to hit Cox over the head with the security force items secure in the knowledge that they will be able to hit his successor with their (longer)r list

  • Comrade Stalin

    Comments section is where awkward questions get asked like – how come there’s plenty of time to take another dig at Gerry Adams’ IRA membership denials but when British terrorists threaten school children in north Belfast there’s tumbleweeds?

    The loyalists are claiming that this threat didn’t come from them, which is plausible.

    But what is more interesting is that when the threat was announced it sounded like it could have.

  • tacapall

    “Because I suspect the DUPERS have a long list of “uninvestigated” republican murders up their sleeve and they have agreed to hit Cox over the head with the security force items secure in the knowledge that they will be able to hit his successor with their (longer)r list”

    Yes Barnshee Im sure thats the reason the typical law abiding unionist would imagine although a more logical assumption in light of the events directed by loyalist paramilitaries these last few months would be that the DUP’s strings are being pulled by the UVF. The less loyalist cases that are reviewed by the HET the happier those armchairs generals,or should we just say British agent provocateurs from East Belfast will be, and the less likely there will be even more evidence found of the extent of the collusion between those same UVF terrorists and the various state forces connected to unionism and the British government.

  • gendjinn

    There’s nothing to stop the various republican bloggers from covering the stories you mention, although I generally do not think it wise to get involved in speculation about threats whether it is confirmed or unconfirmed by the PSNI.

    If tt’s the sole responsibility of Republican bloggers to blog on articles that portray Unionism in a bad light, then by implication it’s the responsibility of Unionist bloggers to blog on articles that portray Nationalists in a bad light?

    So where does that leave someone that never misses an opportunity, no matter how ridiculously tangental, to bang on about Adams in the IRA?

  • gendjinn

    Comrade Stalin,

    the only reports I’ve seen in NI media have reported Loyalist paramilitaries issue threats to school children in North Belfast. If you’ve seen/heard reports to the contrary could you point me in their direction?

    Be good (well less messed up) to hear that these were not real threats and were “pranks” instead.

  • Gendjinn,

    I spotted that from Mick too. He was on FJH’s site bemoaning Nats for ‘all too often dining out on unionism’s failures’ & now he’s encouraging it? Well, he was being slightly inconsistent recently but in his defence hes blogging a lot, it can be hard to keep up with everything said…

  • Mick Fealty

    I’m here you know FC. You don’t have to talk about me as if I wasn’t in the room. It’s not as though I haven’t explained my reasoning. Or can’t you see clearly enough in this “shadowy place”? 😉

    I didn’t say it was their responsibility gendjinn. I said they could have, if they liked. Anyone who has full blogging rights has autonomy over content (so long as its legally tight of course).

    Here’s the latest: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/loyalist-groups-condemn-red-hand-defenders-threat-to-children-and-staff-at-catholic-schools-29562886.html

    In summary, these days we blog much less than we used to. That means we get to pick our fights. So far this has been one big day out on the Circle Line. Lets hope that’s all it’s been.

    But no apologies for not covering it I’m afraid.

  • Mick Fealty

    Barney Rowan in today’s BelTel:

    “The codeword used in weekend calls to newsrooms was first used more than a decade ago and is widely known.”

    Hmmm…

  • Morpheus

    “There’s an awful lot of gossiping and petty gaming at the street level which has now become more evident on Facebook and Twitter, which I also prefer not to touch. One because it is most often hearsay, and two, in my book is about petty rivalry rather than politics.”

    So does this mean an end to the GA/IRA blogs which are based on nothing more than hearsay otherwise the evidence would’ve been produced by now. If it turns out to be true then he’s a lying politician but if it’s not true then he is still a lying politician. As for number 2, well…

    “The codeword used in weekend calls to newsrooms was first used more than a decade ago and is widely known.”

    And? It is well within the realms of possibility that this happened as reported – those concerned have form

  • Mick Fealty

    Whoops, it’s gone all dark again. Which blogs in particular Morph do you think were based on gossip and hearsay?

    This one: http://goo.gl/9B9Bd?

    As for the password, the fact it was ten years old and widely known in itself tells you the story is a crock. And some people who should have known better should not have touched it with the proverbial bargepole.

    It’s a classic case of believing what you want to believe does not make it true. On this occasion at least Slugger doesn’t have egg on its face.

  • Neil

    Mick,

    their newest codeword is probably at least a decade old, so that proves what exactly? This snippet from the same article raised an eyebrow:

    In 2001, one of the UDA’s most senior leaders on the Shankill used the cover name of Red Hand Defenders to make a bomb warning – a call that a device had been left at the Holy Cross Girls Primary School in north Belfast.

    So what we’re gonna boil this down to is: they used the same codeword in the past, they’ve carried out the same activity (threats) and worse (chucking blast bombs at kids) and they’ve used this self same codeword for threatening schools, and we’re now going to assume that these people had nothing to do with it (i.e. it was probably those devious geniuses of the Divis Young Hoods) because they haven’t used this codeword in a decade (though they haven’t used any other codewords in a decade either). Right, right. Maybe they’re not that bright Mick. Just a thought.

    Back to documenting the overarching Republican conspiracy of having teenagers throw tins of paint at Orange Halls then, it’s more important to document the intimidation of the bricks and mortar of empty buildings in the arse end of nowhere than the intimidation of children at Holy Cross.

  • Mick Fealty

    Neil,

    It’s taken three/four days of fevered speculation before the story of the password has come out.

  • gendjinn

    I didn’t say it was their responsibility gendjinn. I said they could have, if they liked. Anyone who has full blogging rights has autonomy over content (so long as its legally tight of course).

    And yet there are categories of reported stories that are guaranteed to get at least 1, and almost always multiple blogs and categories of reported stories that get none. To anyone that reads nuzhound daily it’s stunningly obvious what those categories are.

  • Mick Fealty

    What John does at Nuzhound is hugely valuable (and not replicable by any algorithm). But you won’t get any change out of me if you cannot bring yourself to be specific in your charges. Go on, spit it out man… 😉

  • Neil

    Neil,

    It’s taken three/four days of fevered speculation before the story of the password has come out.

    First of all, no it didn’t. Had a quick look on Google and there’s a journal report from Saturday (that would be one day after the threat) which mentions the known codeword, and references an earlier report from the Irish news:

    The Irish News reported this morning that a man claiming to represent loyalist paramilitary group, the Red Hand Defenders, issued the threat of “military action” against the schools using a known codeword.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/threat-belfast-schools-1073805-Sep2013/

    Now you seem to be attaching a great deal of importance to the age of this codeword. In fact the Red Hand Defenders haven’t done anything at all since 2003, so that’s as new as their codeword gets. Incidentally, what was it used for when they last reared their head?

    2003 6 Jan: The RHD claimed responsibility for planting a pipe bomb at the gates of Holy Cross Catholic Primary School in Belfast. It warned the school to shut permanently within one week.

    19 May: The RHD claimed responsibility for planting an explosive device outside a Republican Sinn Féin office in west Belfast. It was defused by the British Army.

    11 Nov: The RHD claimed responsibility for planting an explosive device outside a Catholic-owned house in north Belfast. It said it was targeting a spokesperson for the Parents of Holy Cross Primary School.

    You see a theme emerge here? Holy Cross seems to come up again and again with these Red Hand Defender people, The age of the codeword is utterly irrelevant. Certainly it’s plausible that it’s someone acting sill buggers, it’s equally plausible that it is a genuine threat by some knuckle dragging moron who’s upset about Ardoyne, and themmuns chipping away at ‘are culture’.

  • gendjinn

    What John does at Nuzhound is hugely valuable (and not replicable by any algorithm).

    Missing the point, it only takes 60 seconds to scan the headlines there, so there’s really no rational justification for missing out on blogging certain categories of stories. Repeatedly.

    But you won’t get any change out of me if you cannot bring yourself to be specific in your charges. Go on, spit it out man…

    Not sure what kind of specificity you are looking for but I’ll refer you to a previous comment of mine at 5 June 2013 at 4:39 am.

    * British government admits collusion in murder & terrorism. No blog.
    * Sinn Fein mayor’s house searched by police – plenty of blogging, when police finally admit they raided the wrong house. Silence.
    * Loyalist terrorists issue threats against schools again. Silence.

  • Mick Fealty

    Try this: “missing out on blogging certain categories of stories”. Which categories?

  • Mick Fealty

    gendjinn,

    One, I’ve already explained why I think the school threat story is a crock of, well you know what. [note to self: I know it’s dark in this ‘shadowy place’ but is it really that dark?].

    Two, the SF Mayor story? Believe it or not, I don’t remember that one. Honestly.

    Three, that link contains a note from a letter from senior civil servant Ciaran Martin to David Cameron read out at hearings in the US Congress:

    “[S]ome of the evidence available only internally could be read to suggest that within government at a high level this systematic problem with Loyalist agents was known, but nothing was done about it,” said the letter, which also quoted a human rights sub-committee of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

    “It’s also potentially the case that credible suspicions of agent involvement in Mr. Finucane’s murder were made known at senior levels after it and that nothing was done; the agents remained in place. These two points essentially aren’t public.”

    It’s a good enough story that might have made it on another day. It tells us why Cameron said to the family ‘here’s an apology, but I’m not telling you any of the details’.

    I actually watched some of the live hearings on Cspan that day, but I could not crunch out enough detail to warrant a story on it. And to be fair, there are no details here other than a bland admission they knew their loyalist agents were hard to control at ‘senior levels, and they left things that way. I felt at the time that there was just not enough to get a hold of or bite on.

    Unlike the SPAD bill, which in six years of continual sitting was the first real piece of political drama in the floor of the Assembly in years. And a fascinating expose of the real attitudes behind the hierarchical arrangements which largely underpin the empty rhetoric of the so-called non hierarchy of victims.

  • gendjinn

    Mick,

    I think you’ve made your position and stance abundantly, crystal clear to everyone. There can be absolutely no doubt or question of it going forward.

  • Mick Fealty

    You mean I’ve answered your question?

  • tacapall

    Mick at the end of the day a threat was issued against Catholic school children attending schools in the north Belfast area in the name of a loyalist paramilitary group with a codeword only previously used by them. You stay well away from making that news available to everyone who reads or comments on your blog because you suggest that codeword was widely known, what do you mean by widely known and by whom ? Are you suggesting every Tom Dick and Harry knew it or that the codeword was passed on to others by ?

    Apart from the fact that loyalists have frequently used the , “no claim no blame” approach to deflect attention and blame upon themselves, you believing the words of a loyalist terrorist and murderer Billy Hutchinson, that rather than loyalists issuing the threats, he claims it was in fact republicans because that codeword was last used years ago, does this man even have any integrity or credibility when you consider the denials about UVF involvement in the organised violence surrounding flag protests and Orange parades, its well documented the opinions of various high ranking PSNI officers that contrary to what the PUP says they believe or have intelligence the UVF were involved directing the violence and the PUP are obviously telling lies. Even aftet those facts Billy Hutchisons word is then taken for granted by yourself even though its not something loyalist haven’t done before and even though we all know the PUP can speak out of both sides of their mouths.

  • gendjinn

    Oh Mick,

    unfortunately we already knew the answer, your response just provided the unambiguous and irrefutable confirmation.

  • Mick Fealty

    Look, I am, as always, open to criticism for getting stuff wrong. I blog what makes sense to me. That’s what built the prominence of the blog in the first place and it is what I encourage all our bloggers to od.

    And I’m happy to take the brickbats for those choices.

    I rarely argue with people’s perception of what we do here, unless I think there is some point in providing a public explanation.

    At the end of the day the reader is the one who gets to judge. I don’t believe that anyone, not me, not Slugger not anyone should get away without being weighed, challenged or tested by readers.

    Tac,

    The school story, the pipe bombs, the various other things that the dissident republicans get up to or don’t get up to don’t play a major role in Slugger’s output either.

    Why? Because there is little of value can be drawn from extrapolating wildly from what you can only dimly see. When I do get caught doing that, as in the Ardoyne Madonna, I do try to accept the criticism.

    Terrorists of all stripes use the no claim no gain gambit when they’ve done something stupid or politically inconvenient. But I am not inclined to take their word as a reason to question the veracity of any given story. The mouldy password is not the only reason not to blog about.

    A threat is bad, and I understand the schools/Minister not taking any risks. But it not the same as an actual attack, or pointing out that our current politics of fationalism is the equivalent of the nod and wink being all the same to the proverbial blind horse (see the Glenavy ‘republican’ attack story: http://goo.gl/vczKK).

  • Mick Fealty

    For completeness on Finucane, I meant to post this link: http://sluggerotoole.com/tag/finucane/

    By no means comprehensive since tags only came in with the redesign…

  • gendjinn

    Mick,

    I know you are. The loss to the site is there’s often a section of reporting that doesn’t get an opportunity for discussion across the wide ranging spectrum of readers & commentators on the site. That the category that’s missed is tilted overwhelmingly towards items that portray unionism & the British state in a bad light is distorts the portrayal of our historical and current political challenges.

  • Mick Fealty

    Put your hand up, and help us cover our blind spots then?

  • tacapall

    The threat is bad Mick and while I would agree with you its not the same as an actual attack but the PSNI seem concerned enough to provide protection to those children, nevertheless you miss the crux of the point in the actual threat which is the tactics of unionism and loyalism at the minute, to make it as financially draining in terms of manpower and money for the PSNI and the Stormont Executive policing flag protests or parade disputes or in this case threats to school children. How much is it costing the PSNI a day to police Winkies last stand at Twaddle. If Nationalists are going to receive the same equal rights as protestant be that having the right to object to parades or having the right to parade, then its going to cost lots of money, money the executive cannot afford so someone is going to win and someones going to lose. Pretending there is no unethical tactics being used by loyalists in the latest round of loyalist street theater is ignoring the reality that these people can quickly change, as we have seen many times in the past, from law abiding British subjects, to violent neanderthals, willing to sacrifice even school children, in their demands for supremacy. Threats like this must always be exposed no matter where the source and no matter how trivial we believe they are.

    Im absolutely certain if we replaced Red Hand Defenders with Syrian forces loyal to Assad as those claiming to issue the threat to those school children the likes of David Cameron and the midget warmonger Hague would be screaming for justice and retribution, every paper in the world would have it as headlines. But sure its only Irish Catholic school children lets just brush it under the carpet and pretend its only part of a game of political brinkmanship, nothing at all wrong and no-one would ever take the law into their own hands and actually try and carry out the threat.

  • Kevsterino

    There is a temptation, when trying to moderate a site such as this, to try to maintain an ersatz equilibrium of criticism of both loyalism and republicanism, so as to keep as many commentators from both sides contributing. In other words, if it appears only one side is criticized, the supporters of that side will migrate somewhere less critical.

    When one side monopolizes bad behavior for an extended period, such as these last few months, that becomes progressively difficult.

  • Comrade Stalin

    glendjinn:

    Comrade Stalin,

    the only reports I’ve seen in NI media have reported Loyalist paramilitaries issue threats to school children in North Belfast. If you’ve seen/heard reports to the contrary could you point me in their direction?

    I’m terribly confused. What made you think I had heard reports to the contrary ?

    Why all of a sudden is Slugger full of people who seem to read things that I never said ?

    Be good (well less messed up) to hear that these were not real threats and were “pranks” instead.

    I didn’t say they were pranks either.

    What’s the matter with you ?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Kevsterino,

    It is impossible to meet this equilibrium.

    Variously, and almost simultaneously, writing here I get accused of being a republican and at the same time of being a crypto-unionist.

    This is because expressing certain opinions – such as “the peace centre should be built” or “there should be space for people to show their support for the armed forces” mean depending on who you are talking to that you are either a fence sitter or one of “them”. Woe betide if you pronounce the letter H incorrectly.

  • Kevsterino

    @Comrade, I’ve heard it said the people see what they want to see and disregard the rest. This is not entirely true, in my estimation. I think people see what they expect to see, whether they want to see it or not. It is how magicians still can earn a living.

    At any rate, keeping a site like this alive in an environment like Northern Ireland/Six Counties is like herding cats. It can’t succeed without a large degree of cooperation from people who want it to survive.

  • Mick Fealty

    I think Kev, what you mean to say is that you think I’m wrong because you think I’m after some kind of ersatz balance.

    Maybe I’m just wrong? 😉

  • Kevsterino

    Mick, I needn’t remind you it would be a great mistake to ignore the possibility that I’m full of shit. ;o)

  • Mick,

    Well aware you’re about, but you’ll note I addressed the comment to Gendjinn to point out what I feel is a slight discrepancy of yours which does tie slightly in with the perceived balance of stories coming from the site or more the perceived willingness to follow certain narratives, the crack unit of Division Hoods a few months ago being a cracking example.

  • Mick Fealty

    I hate to say this so bluntly FC, but whilst I do care about others right to challenge, I’m not in the least worried about being seen to be out of step with ‘common wisdom’.

    Omelettes and eggs.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Mick

    “As for the password, the fact it was ten years old and widely known”

    I read this and let it go but it has been bothering me.

    All password (codeword) by definition is known by the police and the organisation who owns it. When you say it was “widely known” it strikes me as a very strange claim. How do you know it was “widely known” outside of the “particular organisation” or the police?

    Could you please clarify were you got the information that it was “widely known” and what is meant by the that term in this instance.

  • Mick Fealty
  • Mc Slaggart

    Thanks for the link mick, but what does it mean?

    You used the quote so I take it you are clear what the writer meant by the term.

  • Mick Fealty

    I’m ceding my lack of omniscience by saying this, but I *think* Barney’s implying it is not a reliable identifier.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Mick

    So you are not clear. It could equally mean the organisation which used the code word has split into different factions.

    As you pointed out:

    “It’s taken three/four days of fevered speculation before the story of the password has come out.”

    Now I do not know “Barney” but taking that he is an honest person it still does not mean his source was not telling stories (or putting a spin) in order to suit their objectives. (This has been known to happen)

    The question is did it come from the PSNI or some Unionist/l source?

    BTW

    The Belfast Tele is so well regarded in Tyrone that they have to give it away in order to get their circulation up.

  • Mc Slaggart

    tacapall

    How do you know it was Billy Hutchinson?

  • Morpheus

    Mick, I would take that off pronto

  • tacapall
  • tacapall

    Take what off pronto Morph ?

  • Oh I know Mick, & you’ll forgive when I say that frankly I take so little interst on whats written by most of the writershere, for me it’s merely a chance to laugh at the confirmation bias from some of the North’a great bloggers. The words ‘polished’ & ‘turd’ spring to mind.

  • Comrade Stalin

    It is not unreasonable to argue that the threats which were phoned in were a hoax.

    Some of the codewords were made public a number of years ago. Even if they weren’t, it’s not impossible to believe that they might have been circulated. These threats were in the past called in to newspapers and TV studios.

  • Morpheus

    The guy’s name

  • Neil

    It is also plausible that it’s a real threat, and either way it seems noteworthy. If you believed it were a Republican threat it would be worth mentioning on that basis.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Comrade Stalin

    “Some of the codewords were made public a number of years ago.”

    Who made them public? Was the one used made public.

    BTW:

    How do you make a codeword public?

  • Morpheus

    The UDA codewords are on their wikipedia page!

  • Mick Fealty

    Neil,

    Look at the hysterical stuff at the top of this blog… I don’t blame the schools for wanting protection… But all this ‘story’ has done is inflame tensions and draw out the bigots on both sides…

    Tac, you do that again and you’re out. Permanently!!! I don’t like stating the same bleeding obvious thing over and over.. Only to have cast back at me…

    FC, fragrant metaphor… Goes to prove the cartoon above, again… 🙂

  • Mark

    How do you make a codeword public ? Good question !

    According to published accounts , the Provos codeword in the 90s was the name of a butter that a shop owner in England refused to stock after the Deal bombings .

    Didn’t the RIRA use the name of one of George Mitchells’ team who the DUP claimed had a fling with a senior Republican …

  • Comrade Stalin

    McSlaggart,

    Who made them public?

    The person who wrote the article (obviously). I don’t remember who it was.

    Was the one used made public.

    I remember the article, and thinking “hmm that’s weird, they’re publishing the codewords” but I don’t remember which ones.

    How do you make a codeword public?

    Find out what it is (people who are paid to find out things and publish them are called “journalists” – or so I’m told) and print it in a newspaper. Is that a trick question ?

    Who even said there was a codeword ? Why trust one version of the story and not another ?

  • tacapall

    Thats no probs Mick but just before you do will you point out any untruths that I’ve said.

    Did Billy Hutchinson point the finger at republicans for the threat to those school children ?

    Have senior members of the PSNI alleged that the UVF were behind the recent street violence associated with the flag protests and parades disputes, even the Deputy first minister also alleged the same thing ?

    Who does control the media in this part of Ireland, even those flag protestors or other commenters on here like DC also allege British government control ?

    Are you now also dismissing all those various reports that prove that loyalist paramilitaries were British intelligence controlled proxies in Ireland ? That British intelligence directed. armed and supplied with intelligence those same loyalist paramilitaries ?

    Did that very same scenario not happen with the religious icon on the bonfire at Lanark way and did not loyalists and a certain politician not allege that it was placed there by Catholics to make loyalists and their culture look bad ?

    At least be honest and admit your blog is increasingly becoming a conduit for diluting a bad image for loyalism and unionism by reporting assumptions based on evidence from those who long ago lost all credibility by consistently being exposed as liars.

    Do what you like Mick its your ball and you can lift it if you like. your such a bad sport.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Comrade Stalin

    Are you saying the PSNI is treating codes written in an “article” as codewords????

    If they appear in such a public space then they would no longer be valid codewords.

    This is a very serious accusation.

  • Perhaps it does Mick; I take it your comments btl are also to be included as being proved by the cartoon above? 🙂

    How’s this thread working out for you there? Was it what you expected or like you noted, this isn’t the papers’ sites & due to the rules we’re ‘performing upwardly’? What an Orwellian management phrase if ever I heard one. That wouldn’t even be used at the bank I work for…

  • Mick Fealty

    There’s a serious answer to that FC, but I’m too busy washing my hair getting the kids out to give it just now.

  • Hope they’re good and performing upwardly in all their endeavours 😉

  • glenda lough

    As a Christian I must protest at the first frame of the cartoon at the top of this post in which a little lion cub is shown looking at a sunset beside an outsize marital aid. Disgusting.

  • Mark

    Thank god someone else noticed that …. thank you Glenda !