Thatcher as bringer of chaos and misery…

Danny Morrison argues that Mrs Thatcher actions over the Hunger Strikes ramped up hatred both at that time and after…

Thatcher sanctioned the use of supergrass trials which completely undermined the justice system. She authorised the shoot-to-kill policy and her colleagues subsequently undermined the attempt by Deputy Chief Constable John Stalker to get to the truth. She authorised the attacks on republican funerals and created an atmosphere of hatred and bitterness which ultimately led to the attempt on her life by the IRA in the Brighton bombing in 1984. 

No doubt she was a tough cookie. According Morrison…

When Thatcher became prime minister in 1979 we know that on her desk was a secret assessment of the IRA by Brigadier James Glover, commander of land forces in the North. He said the IRA would continue with its war until there was an acceptable political settlement.  He rejected the official propaganda line which was the basis for the treatment of the men in the H-Blocks and the women in Armagh jail. He said that IRA volunteers were not criminals but were talented and dedicated. 

Thatcher put my community through hell and her policies unnecessarily protracted the conflict. When it came to a political agreement on Good Friday 1998, the prisoners in the H-Blocks were given early release (an “amnesty”) which was recognition that the British knew they were political prisoners all along. 

  • son of sam

    Ricky O’Rawe’s take on the whole Hunger Strike is of course different from that of Danny Morrison as evidenced by his post on The Broken Elbow today.

  • Drumlins Rock

    meanwhile morrisons chums were slaughering men women and children left right and centre, why even quote him?

    Slugger is fast taking over Danny old job as IRA mouth piece.

  • Mick Fealty

    Really DR? You have blogging rights, if you want to change the balance, why not use them? In the meantime, you are free to add some detailed context?

  • Kevsterino

    @DR, I don’t agree the SoT is taking over Danny’s old job as IRA mouthpiece.

    As to the Northern Ireland record of the recently deceased, I would pose a simple question: What effect on the prospects for peace can be attributed to her replacement by John Major?

  • tacapall

    Celebrations starting to kick off at Divis Tower at the minute, it seems they’re coming from all nationalist areas to join in.

  • Dixie Elliott

    McGuinness said today that Thatcher wasn’t a peacemaker.

    We know that Marty, just as we know both you and Gerry sacrificed 6 men on Hunger Strike and countless other volunteers from then until 1994/96 as you sneaked behind their backs seeking peace while lying that the war wouldn’t end until the Brits left.

    Add to that the many innocent people who died while you took your time in becoming a peacemaker…self -claimed that is.

  • Dixie Elliott

    ‘Adams, Not Thatcher, Culpable For Last Six Hunger Strike Deaths’, Says Former IRA Prison Leader…

    http://thebrokenelbow.com/2013/04/08/adams-not-thatcher-culpable-for-last-six-hunger-strike-deaths-says-former-ira-prison-leader/

  • Mick Fealty

    Dixie,

    I don’t think we can say we know for sure. What we do know is that the truth of the matter is disputed between players. It’s a case of paying your money and taking your preferred choice.

    What made this such an issue was that it was one of the concessions wrung out of Whitelaw in the UK Government’s first negotiations with the Provos.

    Special Category Status (SCS) was granted to all prisoners convicted of Troubles-related offences in July 1972. It was a significant concession in the IRA’s dealing with the state since it was a way in which they could deal with the state in a way they considered to be legitimate.

    It was withdrawn by Merlyn Rees on 1 March 1976 on foot of a recommendations in the Gardiner Report (scroll down for Chapter 6: http://goo.gl/dCBzN) published over a year earlier. Within the next year or so the Provos killed six prison officers.

    The course for a deadly collision between the Provos and the Iron Maiden to be was set under Labour who broke the Tory deal with the Provos.

    The five year long protest ended on Saturday 3 October 1981 after the long drawn out deaths of the ten men with the families intervening to take them off.

  • babyface finlayson

    tacapall
    “Celebrations starting to kick off at Divis Tower at the minute, it seems they’re coming from all nationalist areas to join in.”
    If true I am sorry to hear it.
    It is one thing to feel no sympathy for her or her family, but a different matter to actively celebrate the death of another person. It suggests a lack of basic humanity.

  • Babyface,

    I agree. We should step back for now and allow the family to grieve in relative peace. There will be lots of space to revile her later if that’s what people want to do.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Mick maybe the fact that I was on that wing with Ricky and Bik might give me more knowledge than most as to what went on that summer of 1981.

    I know for certain there was no deal or offer made by the British that brought about the end of the 1st Hunger Strike as claimed by various Adamsites.

    I know because I heard Bobby Sands tell us upon returning to the wing that night that ‘We had got Nothing’. He then set about writing to outside saying he would begin a 2nd Hunger Strike.

    Don’t take my word for it read the Prelude to Bobby Sands’ biography, Nothing but an Unfinished Song in which a former Blanket man who was in the cell next to Bobby described what happened that night.

    Therefore why do certain people lie about something which never happened?

  • Neil

    Twitter says Divis events are to mark the election victory of Bobby Sands.

  • Reader

    Neil: Twitter says Divis events are to mark the election victory of Bobby Sands.
    So – an annual event, then? I must have missed the 20th Anniversary party in 2011.

  • Reader

    Oops – 30th Anniversary. Though I missed the 20th Anniversary party too.

  • Neil

    Well, that’s the reason offered. I suppose it’s like the difference between a protest and a parade, like a technicality. But I’d imagine there are people there to mark Thatcher’s passing.

  • Comrade Stalin

    When it came to a political agreement on Good Friday 1998, the prisoners in the H-Blocks were given early release (an “amnesty”) which was recognition that the British knew they were political prisoners all along.

    Mr Morrison knows full well that this is not true, being aware of people who have been sent back to jail.

  • Mark

    She politicized a whole generation of young Irish people . She let her personal hatred of Irish Republicans because of Airey Naeve’s death cloud her judgement when dealing with the prison issue . She justified the use of rubber bullets in the North knowing they were lethal . She claimed unlike the riots on her own island that the riots in Ireland was part of a war situation yet treated the prisoners like criminals . Whatever about Labour changing SCS , she had the power to reverse the decision …..she was a bad egg !

  • Dixie Elliott

    Just watched The View…Just wasted a half hour of my life.

  • FDM

    @Dixie Elliott

    Just watched The View…Just wasted a half hour of my life.

    ———————

    There was one jewel.

    She did tell “unionists”, again whatever they are today, that they couldn’t stop progress or indeed wouldn’t be allowed to stop progress anymore. The AIA, and the fact that they were not consulted, meant that their veto was gone.

    A watershed moment. However to her detriment I agree with the commentators when they expressed their opinion that Maggie had no idea at the time that she was ultimately giving away “Finchley” to the Irish.

    So we can add fool to the charge sheet, with a slash to where “unionists” have written traitor.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Talking about The View, they dug up an Eamon Delaney; some West Brit or other whom I never heard of. The man talked utter bollocks.

    He would be better sticking to running donkeys in the half mile race.

  • Mick Fealty

    Prime time, 21 mins in… http://goo.gl/9g6WI Gerry Kelly is almost suggesting there was a solution to the whole campaign of violence on offer this early…

    Gerry Collins says Thatcher was convinced at first there was only a military solution to the problem… and that it took years to get her to take up an alternative politica route…

    Ronan Fanning notes that the real power of the AIA was that Unionists could not break under any other circumstances other than a negotiated dismantling…

  • FDM[11.22] That’s the detail unionists can’t get past. Thatcher cared not one whit for them. She was wrapped up in her English view of them as just as Irish as Gerrry Adams. They couldn’t stick it that that she didn’t give a damn for them. They have to pretend now on her demise that they care about her, so as not to give any succour to ‘themmuns’ but they know she has cooked their goose, well and truly.

  • Alias

    Danny Morrison is feverishly spinning the revisionist line that PIRA’s campaign had the aim of securing a role for its political wing in assisting in the administration of British rule within an internal settlement.

    In this fantasy, the British security established didn’t want them to sign up to the constitutional legitimacy of British sovereignty and to formally repudiate their former right to national self-determination, so the wee Shinners had to valiantly overcome British opposition to their acceptance of the British constitutional position as it had been since partition was enacted.

    The reality is that the Shinners are exactly where the British state wants them to be – and where their own ‘protected species’ has led them. So encouraging were the British security services to the Shinners’ current role as Crown servants that they helpfully bumped off the hardliners within PIRA who didn’t agree that they were fighting for an internal settlement.

    Plus, of course, PIRA murder gangs members were released under criminal licence, not under an amnesty – and they and its political wing signed up to that status.

  • Alias

    “When it came to a political agreement on Good Friday 1998, the prisoners in the H-Blocks were given early release (an “amnesty”) which was recognition that the British knew they were political prisoners all along. ”

    Incidentally, the loyalist murder gang members were given parity of esteem with PIRA murder gang members and both sets of murder gangs were released under exactly the same licence.

  • aquifer

    Danny complains:

    Thatcher sanctioned the use of supergrass trials which completely undermined the justice system.

    – Accomplice evidence has long been part of the justice system, and is one of the few effective ways of unpicking a system of conspiracy to murder.

    She authorised the shoot-to-kill policy

    – And the IRA’s policy was?

    and her colleagues subsequently undermined the attempt by Deputy Chief Constable John Stalker to get to the truth.

    – The IRA trained people to withhold the truth

    She authorised the attacks on republican funerals

    – Was this the ones with pistols on public display?

    and created an atmosphere of hatred and bitterness

    – Who now?

    which ultimately led to the attempt on her life by the IRA in the Brighton bombing in 1984.

    – Political assassination ordered by the Provisional IRA, while the Brits seemed to be particularly poor at this, leaving a democratic route open for the leadership.

    – Danny is just doing his job, relentless whatabboutery.

  • keano10

    Aquifer,

    Your comments are so stunningly naive, that’s they are simply mind-boggling to be frank…

    Firstly, you flippantly brush away the now proven “shoot-to-kill” policy by saying that the IRA did the same. I was’nt aware that Soverign Governments were meant to engage in such policies. Please enlighten me…?

    Secondly, the “evidence” which you appear to use for justifying Supergrass Trials is laughable. Such trials are now completely discredited in many nations throughout Europe and beyond. The complete debacle of last years UVF Supergrass trial is evidence enough of that. Was that Laurel and Hardy who were on the witness stand attemting to give evidence in that one…?

    You discredit the internal disruption of the Stalker investigation by arguing that IRA personnel may have been trained to withhold the truth somewhere or other? Please provide a link between those two please, because it’s pretty
    vague to me.

    Danny does’nt need to indulge in whataboutery Aquifer because Danny was there. He personally experienced the lies, the cover-ups and the Judicial corruption, which you have no comprehension of, or, even a willingness to impartially examine or consider.

    If your piece was a bit of schoolwork then it would be D Minus I’m afraid…..

  • newgal

    The squeaks and squawks from Morrison are just like the utterly self-serving and entirely hypocritical spewings we got from Adams in the aftermath of Baroness Thatcher’s death.

    Those who were the IRA’s political mouthpieces have used her death just as they use every available occasion to try to rewrite history and their own role in it in an attempt to scrub away the blood of the innocent that stain Irish republicanism.

    On the one hand they (eg Adams’ statement) link Mrs Thatcher to ‘collusion’ conveniently forgetting the sheer extent, depth and prevalence of the ‘collusion’ engaged in by SF/IRA at every level from senior echelons downwards by a whole battalion of agents/informers.

    Morrison complains about ‘shoot to kill’ while at the same time demanding that Provo terrorists be regarded as soldiers actively engaged in a war. The Provos and their SF cheerleaders appeared to want the freedom for this particular drug dealing, racketeering, prostitute handling, kidnapping, counterfeiting, fuel laundering gang to kill people from behind in the dead of night, while demanding for themselves the chance to surrender or fire first.

    They have condemned her for not stepping in to prevent the Provo hunger strikers from committing the very suicide they had drawn up as a tactical plan. Yet they forget that it was not Margaret Thatcher but the republican leadership who condemned their own to death for electoral reasons.

    They speak bitterly (Morrison etc) of how she “put my community through hell” yet failing to mention the deal that the republican community did with the likes of Gadaffi to enable them to butcher more of their neighbours in greater volume, more efficiently.

    And of course there was no amnesty granted to terrorist prisoners, but rather a release on criminal licence. That is why SF continued to demand an amnesty long afterwards. These demands ultimately led to the government proposing an amnesty – described by the S.o.S at the time as a necessary evil – but which was ultimately abandoned following united opposition to the proposal from every other NI political party much to SF’s very publicly expressed anger.