Europe take the Ryder Cup home (against all reasonable hope)!!!

And so Rory cut it fine. But he did his work when he got there (via a police ride)… Saving the best for the last…

And just at the end Europe’s Martin Kaymer takes the most unlikely win in Ryder Cup history…

Some pretty emotional scenes from Medinah… Salve Seve

Update: Davis Love III “Everyone was playing so well we didn’t think it would matter what order we put them out there”

  • babyface finlayson

    Good stuff
    I heard on 5live that the crowds were leaving before Tiger had finished his round. That must be a first.

  • lamhdearg2

    tiger could not wait to finish, he gave up on the 18th.

  • Mick Fealty
  • Red Lion

    can’t believe that win. astonishing.

  • Pete Baker

    Incredible win for Europe!

    25-1 earlier today, apparently.

    A few heroic performances. Poulter yesterday. Donald, Lawrie, Kaymer today, certainly. Sergio deserves a special mention against Furyk. And Justin Rose against Mickelson.

    As for Rory… He should sleep in more often.

  • Mick Fealty

    There was something Brookline-ish about it all.. letting all the pressure build up and tip the other way… though I doubt very much it was planned that way…

    Match play is a bugger to keep your nerve in… And the scoring is especially deceiving…

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    I watched it to help procrastinate from thesis-writing. Absolutely brilliant match. If you told I’d be this glued to a golf tournament a few years ago I’d have told you to snap out if it.

    And I think Pete’s right about the end. I reckon there was nothing to be gained from drawing 14-14. US still don’t win and Europeans will always have an asterisk saying it was retained, not won. Now they won outright they can be rightly proud.

  • BluesJazz

    Woods just gave the win at the end with a joke putt. Maybe he didn’t care. Olazabal was clearly emotional about Seve. Great comeback, but first time I’ve seen the European flag waved so much.

    No doubt comment to come about Rory wearing the Northern Ireland flag at the end.

  • HeinzGuderian

    15/1 before they Tee’d off.
    Touched 29 on Betfair in running.
    Best 7 hours golf I have ever had the pleasure to witness !! +£450 !! 😉

    ( Anyone know what the flag was,Wee Rory wrapped himself in ) ?? 🙂

  • andnowwhat

    WOW…. Amazing win.

    Got to be one of the greatest spotting come backs ever

  • andnowwhat

    Sporting.

  • GEF

    I like Rory’s humour being able to laugh at himself and wearing a large alarm clock around his neck to remind him to wake up in time the next game.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/rory-mcilroy-wearing-clock-in-ryder-cup-celebration-2012-9

  • GEF

    ( Anyone know what the flag was,Wee Rory wrapped himself in ) ??

    HG, having watched TV coverage & seen some photographs in the media reports both Rory & G-Mac wore both flags ( Ulster Flag & Euro Flag) at different times. Maybe they only had one Ulster flag to share between them.

  • HeinzGuderian

    It was kinda hard to miss GEF…….The lad wore it with PRIDE…..and why the Hell not ? 🙂

  • thethoughtfulone

    Before you all go nuts about Rory and his Ulster flag, just remember that Ulster after all is a part of Ireland!

    But anyway, a great win and nice to see the game of golf producing some true sporting passion and excitement for once rather than the usual commercial pocket lining more commonly associated with it.

    I reckon that one night could attract more people to the game that a whole seasons worth of coverage of the usual dirge topped off with the presentation of a sum of money bordering on the obscene.

  • GEF

    HeinzGuderian “It was kinda hard to miss GEF…”

    Then why ask this question ( Anyone know what the flag was,Wee Rory wrapped himself in ) ? if you already know the answer?

  • GEF

    I think only those who are opposed to Rory wearing the Ulster flag instead of the ROI flag will be going nuts. At present they are more interested in those bands who have been accused of breaking PC rules at last Sat Covenant parade like this incident here:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19784052

  • GavBelfast

    I kinda like the idea of cheering-on Europe, but I guess it is the uniqueness of this competition that makes it such a novelty to do so, and why it’ll seem special to do so again at Gleneagles in two years’ time.

    Sport can be, almost uniquely, wonderful.

  • Canny See It Sur

    Lets set it straight. Rory wasn’t wearing an Ulster Flag.

    It doesn’t represent the province of Ulster and never has.

    Rory was draped in the Ulster Banner of the Northern Ireland government, both of which being defunct since 1972 – the same year his great uncle was killed by UVF men.

    Rory’s family must be sickened to see him wearing that loyalist rag.

    To make it clear – I’d not rather see him cocooned in a tricolour either. The flag of St. Patrick or the actual Ulster flag would be a more appropriate flag to wear and salute.

  • BluesJazz

    According to the PGA (and FIFA, among others) its the flag of Northern Ireland.

  • Canny See It Sur

    When we use facts though, it’s not the flag of Northern Ireland.

    You’re really quoting sporting agencies to disprove this? It’s also used as the flag at the Commonwealth games, but it’s use is still incorrect. The sporting bodies may have adopted the flag but it isn’t the flag of the actual country.

    The actual flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Flag.

    Given Rory’s recent did he or didn’t he statements, I’d have thought he’d have been a bit smarter with the use of the flag. He near shat himself whilst being interviewed last night when someone put a European flag on his shoulders.

    At the end of the day, he’d still have been better to use the St Patrick’s cross or the actual Ulster flag.

  • GavBelfast

    Here we go again ….

    (Rolls eyes)

  • Canny See It Sur

    I know, how dare I interject with facts…

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    No doubt about it – Rory makes it pretty clear he’s from Northern Ireland lol. Not sure why they started signing ‘we’re not brazil we’re NI’ but what the heck.

    Anyway, besides the usual political points scoring exercise it was quite a sensational comeback. I’m more of a euro-sceptic but it’s pretty cool that they all come together and play as a team. Extraordinary performance.

  • Submariner

    Rory really meeds to quit wrapping himself in that Loyalist rag. It is not the flag of NI and is only beloved by the knuckle dragging bigots and terrorist scum who were present en masse at Stormont on Sunday.

  • Submariner,

    Not being there I would love you to tell me how many of the people at the event were knuckle dragging bigots and terrorist scum. I’m not 100% sure what en masse might mean so can you do me that favour?

  • Submariner

    Sure MR Joe. All members of the OO a violently sectarian bigoted organisation with close links to Loyalist Paramilitaries, The Loyalist bands who are either members or supporters of the various terrorist organisations [see various band websites for more details] not to be confused with brass or silver bands. The blue bag brigade hangers on see various newspapers front pages for more details. All the members of the UVF/UDA including Jackie McDonald Billy Hutchinson,Winkie Irvine and Shankill butcher Eddie McIlwaine who were also present. The Fascist scum of the BNP and its leader Nick Griffin. The stall holders who were openly selling memorabilia glorifying loyalist terrorists. Will that do for starters.?

  • Reader

    Canny See It Sur: At the end of the day, he’d still have been better to use the St Patrick’s cross or the actual Ulster flag.
    What’s the reasoning? They aren’t national flags either. Your personal preference doesn’t come into it.

  • Yes, Submariner, that tells me all I wanted to know about you.

  • Pete Baker

    The Guardian’s Scott Murray has some fun alternative ratings for the greatest Ryder Cup of all time.

    A couple of examples…

    Sergio García

    This is the Ryder Cup. He’s Sergio García. Next.

    Rating: 10

    and, of course…

    Graeme McDowell

    G-Mac sunk the winning putt at Celtic Manor in 2010, and in a funny way he did the same thing here, only at the other end of proceedings. He put away a missable putt to win his foursomes with Wee-Mac on Friday morning, having let a three-hole lead slip. If that had not gone in, Europe would not have had their first point on the board, and we wouldn’t be here now. Also, he should get credit for wandering around in a manner which suggested he clearly wasn’t having any truck with defeat. Poulter minus the shouting. And the sensational putting, but hey, you can’t have everything.

    Rating: 10

    Rory McIlroy

    The only man to take to the Ryder Cup tee while still eating his breakfast.

    Rating: 10

    Heh.

  • GEF

    Tiger does not seem to be annoyed at Rory’s new outfit. The pair of them look to be the best of friends.

    http://tourreport.pgatour.com/2012/10/01/write-the-caption-woods-mcilroy/

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    well sub, I guess you’d better tuck the tricolour away in a drawer then as it’s affiliated with republican paramilatories… yawn yawn yawn.

    I’d say Rory is a typical Catholic growing up in modern-day NI. He ain’t much fussed about politics but has grown up in NI and is proud to be from here. End of the day it’s up to him but the fact that it winds you up does cheer me up I have to admit lol.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    as for his passion for the fleg, well as I understand it he went to a state school around Holywood, a fairly Unionist heartland. I assume he went to School and realized all prods weren’t sectarian bigots. He probably also befriended a lot of footy and rugger folk who associated with the fleg and he found them not to be paramilitary gun-slingers. I’d say unlike many of the folk on this forum he hasn’t spent his entire life in a loyalist or republican bubble and has actually befriended folk from many backgrounds.

    More importantly, to roll in, 5 mins before tee off is just cool. Hats off.

  • Submariner

    Mr Joe I taks it you disagree

  • otto

    Are you perhaps in the wrong thread Prince Namor. Sonar playing up? This is about the Ryder cup. You’ve gone and chucked up something about the Covenant parade

  • otto

    …all over it.

  • babyface finlayson

    otto
    What can you expect from someone who names themselves after a character from a comic!

  • otto

    Gnot much Babyface!? Gnight Gnight!

    Had to go googling there to get the reference.

    Old now. Almost exactly as old as Dennis’s canine sidekick.

  • babyface finlayson

    otto
    Some lines from Dennis’s favourite poet may be apposite re wee Rory’s predicament;
    ‘When we leave the limits of the land in which
    Our birth certificates sat us,
    It does not mean
    Just a change of scene,
    But also a change of status.
    The Frenchman with his fetching beard,
    The Scot with his kilt and sporran,
    One moment he
    May a native be,
    And the next may find him foreign.’
    Ogden Gnash (yuk yuk).

  • otto

    Gnenius!

    That doesn’t work at.

  • otto

    ..all.

    Bloody iMac.

  • thethoughtfulone

    Is there any subject at all that certain people on here CAN’T reduce to the level of sectarian mud slinging?

  • Canny See It Sur

    Reader — What’s the reasoning? They aren’t national flags either. Your personal preference doesn’t come into it.

    My reasoning behind it is what is used by the establishment across the water in Britain to represent Northern Ireland or by Irish people anywhere else to represent Ulster.

    The Ulster flag* is the Ulster flag is the Ulster flag!! That goes without saying.

    The flag of St.Patrick is regularly used by the British establishment to represent NI. I think it was flown on the royal barge/boat thingy for the jubilee as well.

    It’s not something of personal preference, its established use. There are two options which are not seen as in any way divisive whereas that ‘Loyalist Rag’ (I’m sorry but that’s what it is) couldn’t be more inappropriate. It baffles me that someone from Rory’s immediate family hasn’t pointed this out to him.

    *Nine county gold flag I’m taking about before anyone gets confused.

  • GEF

    “that ‘Loyalist Rag’ (I’m sorry but that’s what it is)…….. It baffles me that someone from Rory’s immediate family hasn’t pointed this out to him.”

    Canny See It Sur, why don’t you point it out to Rory’s father if you feel so strong about it. Watching the TV coverage I noticed Rory’s father throwing his arms around both Rory and flag. His father Gerry was not in the least annoyed throwing his arms around “That loyalist rag” that you call it.

  • Reader

    Canny See It Sur: There are two options which are not seen as in any way divisive whereas that ‘Loyalist Rag’ (I’m sorry but that’s what it is) couldn’t be more inappropriate. It baffles me that someone from Rory’s immediate family hasn’t pointed this out to him.
    Rory was raised in Holywood, and may know people who lost friends and relatives to other groups. Or he may know better than to regard a flag as tainted by the actions of *some* of the people who use it.
    As for the other flags you mention, neither of them actually represents Northern Ireland, though there is apparently an Assembly flag that would be inoffensive but unrecognisable. How would you feel about RMcI using that one instead, or is that still too 6-countyish?

  • Canny See It Sur

    I think you’re rather candidly missing my point. Regardless of whether or not I see the Ulster Banner for what it actually is, a loyalist rag, it’s actually a moot point. The fact still stands, regardless of where Rory was raised, that the flag does NOT represent Northern Ireland and hasn’t done since the collapse of the Northern Ireland Government in 1972.

    That’s 40 years ago… 40 years!!!

    I’d be quite happy for him to drape himself in any flag which actually represented Northern Ireland, regardless of whether or not it was “still too 6-countyish”. My issue isn’t with Rory’s perceived allegiance to the British throne or nation – that’s perfectly acceptable for someone brought up with a level head and allowed to form his own views. My issue is with the flag he chose to drape himself in and everything that represented….. especially when it WAS the flag of Northern Ireland.

  • GEF

    Canny See It Sur, If anyone is missing the point it is you Sur. Rory’s Nationality is recorded here as Northern Ireland and the flag logo beside not is named as that “LOYALIST RAG”?

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_McIlroy&sa=U&ei=5slqUJGXC4XF0QWN1YGgDg&ved=0CCwQFjAF&usg=AFQjCNHsiUomr14TKmbUF3Mw7jnqQXrpCA

    Here it is again in todays BT draped around the World No1 golfers shoulders.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/revealed-how-americans-put-rory-mcilroy-back-on-course-16218702.html#ixzz288diKAeE

  • otto

    Fair enough. Let’s have a chat about flags. I’d guess that, a bit like the SA rugby team, Rory McIlroy would be more than happy to wear a new cross community endorsed NI flag if there was one available.

    Wasn’t a new flag suggested by Alliance and didn’t nationalists say NI didn’t need a flag as it already had the UJ and what was really needed was parity of esteem between the UJ and the Tricolour? Understandable when you’re trying to give parity to Irishness but awkward for NI athletes at the commonwealth games and for Rory.

    Are nationalists/nationalist politicians up for a new flag even if they want to argue that it is just a temporary solution to a temporary problem?

    Personally I’d just take the bottom of the Bruce Flag. The Red Saltire fits with the union flag and an inclusive though somewhat anglicised version of Irishness and the gold field is unarguably of Ulster. The colour scheme would fit Ulster Province and NI sports.

    Wouldn’t even need to redesign the PSNI cap badge.

    Maybe a topic for a facebook page or one of those on-line petition things.

    http://www.brucerathlin1307.com/bruce_700_visiting.asp

  • Canny See It Sur

    Forgive me I’m not sure how to comment….
    GEF Wrote:
    “Canny See It Sur, why don’t you point it out to Rory’s father if you feel so strong about it. Watching the TV coverage I noticed Rory’s father throwing his arms around both Rory and flag. His father Gerry was not in the least annoyed throwing his arms around “That loyalist rag” that you call it.”

    That’s a father’s role. I could come home wrapped in a Union Flag and clattered in shite… My father would still fire me a wee hug. I’m sure he’d still query why I was wrapped in a Union flag…. and more importantly why I was clattered in shite.

    I just think you’re missing my initial point about the flag and what it actually represents to a large part of the population of N.Ireland.

  • GEF

    Snory Rory may have nearly missed his tee off time but I don’t see him covered in any sh!te here.

    http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Rory-McIlroy-clock.jpg

  • Canny See It Sur

    GEF Wrote:
    “Canny See It Sur, If anyone is missing the point it is you Sur. Rory’s Nationality is recorded here as Northern Ireland and the flag logo beside not is named as that “LOYALIST RAG”? ”

    Regardless of what you think about the flag, or what I think about it, the fact still stands that it IS NOT the flag of Northern Ireland. That is a fact, the point is not up for discussion.

    It WAS the flag of the Northern Ireland forty years ago, but it isn’t now. I feel like i’m repeating myself somewhat. When you next respond, use this comment as a response otherwise I think we’ll just get stuck in an infinite loop.

    As I’ve stated previously, the actual flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Flag.

    You’ve opened up a whole other can of worms regarding his nationality by the way but I’d rather not get into that. I’m sure it actually says British on his passport though.

  • Canny See It Sur

    GEF Wrote
    “Snory Rory may have nearly missed his tee off time but I don’t see him covered in any sh!te here.

    http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Rory-McIlroy-clock.jpg

    We all know he wore the flag… I don’t see the point in posting pictures of it repeatedly.

    Perhaps you’re being intentionally obtuse.

    Otto Wrote:
    “Personally I’d just take the bottom of the Bruce Flag. The Red Saltire fits with the union flag and an inclusive though somewhat anglicised version of Irishness and the gold field is unarguably of Ulster. The colour scheme would fit Ulster Province and NI sports.”

    That’s a fantastic compromise!!

  • HeinzGuderian

    Don’t get your panties in a twist sur.
    As long as Wee Rory is happy with ‘that’ flag,who are we to MOPE ? 😉

  • Jacques Stadacona

    Mr. McIlroy, in repeatedly sheathing himself in the flag of the evil discriminatory Stormont ancien régime has made abundantly clear where his political allegiances lie – to speak of him as a cross-community golfer is the height of absurdity; anyone brandishing the emblem of choice for Loyalist thugs and the Orange Order is evidently a British Unionist/Loyalist, and the best of good luck to him in representing his identity.

    Oh, the golf, well it’s golf, it’s repetitive and played mostly by upper class toffs – other than that Europe’s victory wasn’t half bad.

  • Alan N/Ards

    Jacques

    “anyone brandishing the emblem of choice for Loyalist thugs and the Orange Order”

    Would you have preferred him to have brandished the emblem of choice for Republican thugs and the Real Ira etc.?

  • Jacques Stadacona

    I should not prefer to dictate others’ choices, Alan. Anyone flying an Irish tricolour is making a clear point vis-a-vis his/her identity. The idea of a ”cross-community” figure draping him/herself in the Ulster Banner, the flag of the old Stormont regime from 1953 to 1972, thereafter falling into official abeyance, is risible, to say the least. There is nothing wrong with being a British Unionist/Loyalist, but let us at least have the courage to call a spade a spade.

  • Alan N/Ards

    Jaques

    Are you saying then that “cross community figures” who come from the nationalist side of the fence should not drape themselves in a flag that causes offence to unionist’s? I’m referring to the Republican Tricolour. Let’s call a spade a spade here. Apart from the republican gangs shaming this flag, the Irish state has also brought shame on this flag by allowing the abuse of the children of the state by representative’s of a foreign power. If the old Stormont regime was bad then surely the old Dail regime more than matched them in their treatment of its citizens.

  • Jacques Stadacona

    Alan,

    Yes, that is precisely what I am saying. Your attempts at equivocating between the Free State/Republic of Ireland and the 1922-1972 Stormont set-up are hardly convincing, I don’t know of any Irish Taoiseach who claimed that ”Protestants are out to destroy Ireland” a la Basil the Bigot Brooke, or held inquests into the numbers of Protestant porters in Leinster House, as was done under James Craig’s administration in the 1930s.

    The Ulster Banner is a potent symbol of the evils of Northern Ireland’s past, one can hardly seek to represent both communities and maintain its use; any more than someone flying the flag of Apartheid South Africa could seek to represent black and Asian South Africans.

  • It’s a piece of cloth for crying out loud. Leave Rory alone. He did us ALL proud and he was better late than never (although not late, of course).

  • Alan N/Ards

    Jaques

    Eamon de valera showed his true colours when commenting on the Mayo librarian scandal in the 30’s.

    “If there were two qualified people who had to deal with a Catholic community, and if one was a Catholic and the other a a Protestant I would unhesitatingly vote for the catholic. Let us be clear and let us know where we are”

    He finishes by saying ” This is a fundamental matter for catholics. Every Catholic Deputy in the house knows I am speaking the truth”

    Obviously in the eyes of a former Taoiseach and President the Protestant Librarian who was given the job was not as good a citizen as the Catholic who was not appointed.

    If Brooke was a bigot then surely de valera was his equal.

  • HeinzGuderian

    ‘Oh, the golf, well it’s golf, it’s repetitive and played mostly by upper class toffs – ‘

    So why are you commenting on this thread,and WTF has it got to do with you,what Flag the lad identifies with ?

    Sometimes I wonder if there is anything,anything at all our nat/rep chums don’t find to MOPE about ? 😉

  • Toastedpuffin

    “held inquests into the numbers of Protestant porters in Leinster House”

    Probably didn’t need to, even southern politicians can count to zero 🙂

  • Alan,

    You didn’t need an “if”. They were both bigots; flip sides of the same coin.

  • Mick Fealty

    Jacques,

    It is also the only current flag of Northern Ireland…

  • PeterBrown

    Hmm Jacques gets called by Alan and disappears – what a surprise…a protestant state for a protestant people which is the rallying cry for many of Stormonts critics is after all a reproduction of the same statement in reverse for the then Free State

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Protestant_Parliament_for_a_Protestant_People

  • Jacques Stadacona

    Mick, the flag has no official status, anywhere, outwith as a flag of the Northern Ireland football team (cough, cough), and is forbidden from being flown from government buildings in Northern Ireland – which says all that needs to be said, really. Doesn’t the Northern Ireland Assembly also have a flag? At least it can boast non-sectarian credentials…

    Anyone is free to use the Ulster Banner and fly it as he/she sees fit, but let’s not pretend it is in any way a cross-community symbol. It is the preserve of Loyalists and Unionists alone, and it will always be thus.

  • HeinzGuderian

    More atavistic sectarianism from the Loyalist underclasses. These marches are an embarrassment to civilized society, but show up Ulster loyalism/Orangeism for what it is: intolerant, crass, venomous and indolent.

    jacques idea of ‘cross community’ diplomacy…….

  • Toastedpuffin

    Oh, Jacques, we’re all Unionists now! We’re justin the process of trying to find ways of letting former non-Unionists save face 🙂

  • GEF

    Video of the last two holes for those golf fans who missed watching the PGA Cup finish on TV.

    http://t.co/UaSdEjcH

  • GEF

    Correction: Video of Rory’s celebrations after the finish for those golf fans who missed watching the PGA Cup finish on TV.

    http://t.co/UaSdEjcH

  • Canny See It Sur

    Mick Wrote…
    Jacques,

    It is also the only current flag of Northern Ireland…

    Ummm no it isn’t.

    The only current flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Flag.

  • otto

    https://www.facebook.com/newniflag

    Didn’t know this existed! And my “fantastic compromise” has already been proposed by “Stewart”. The comments all seem very positive.

  • HeinzGuderian

    I think we,and Wee Rory,will just stick with the Ulster Flag…..;-)

  • Canny See It Sur

    Which one! hahaha

  • HeinzGuderian
  • GEF

    http://www.zazzle.co.uk/i_love_rory_mcilroy_northern_ireland_flag_style_hat-148789763424668433

    Thanks HG, as Frank Carson would say “thats a cracker”
    But what happens to Rory now if he is asked to play for Ireland in the world cup golf championships next year? There is no Northern Ireland team, and Scotland, England & Wales all have their own teams which he cannot play in. So its either play for Ireland ( If asked) or not play at all.

    Say he accepts the Irish invitation he could always promote hats for sale with the tricolour on them next year, and make more money into the bargin.

  • salgado

    GEF, I imagine he’d probably play for Ireland (like he has before). And I’m sure he’ll continue to celebrate with whatever flag he likes.

    I don’t really see what’s controversial here.

  • GEF

    Nothing controversial whatsoever, Rory could descend on the Irish open next year at Co Kildare flogging both caps so as to please all his followers from both NIR & the ROI.

    “Carton back for 2013 Open”

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/golf/carton-back-for-2013-open-198749.html&sa=U&ei=Q01wUOr4O8LS0QXM9YDQBA&ved=0CB8QFjAC&usg=AFQjCNEcN4Iws_vGgSPzYOCOcUT_qZ2xzg