North South Inter-Parliamentary Association gets five party support…

For all the legitimate concerns around the development of relations on these islands, north south relations take another step forward with a North South Inter-Parliamentary Association. That’s ought to give a decent space to the Assembly members who are effectively bit part players in the British Irish Parliamentary Assembly.

Gerry Moriarty explains:

The first co-chairs of the association are the Ceann Comhairle, Seán Barrett, and the Speaker of the Assembly, William Hay, it was announced at Stormont following a joint meetings of Assembly and Leinster House working groups which set up the association.

The association will have 48 members, with membership drawn in equal numbers from the Assembly and the Dáil and Seanad. It will meet twice annually on a rotational basis.

  • Meetings will not be open to the public” – and Unionists and Others will be bit part players in the 50-member Strand 2 talking-shop.

  • williewombat

    Another no expense spared talking shop for a crowd of wasters is it any wonder there is no money to look after our elderly, sick or young people politicians, civil servants, legal profession, bankers and other so called professions have us so milked to death theres no money left for the rest roll on the revolution we are just not hungry enough yet.

  • FuturePhysicist

    Actually it has 8 party support

    DUP, Sinn Féin, UUP, SDLP, Alliance, Fine Gael, Labour Party of Ireland and Fianna Fáil.

    I don’t think the Green’s or the United Left Alliance are too opposed to it either.

  • andnowwhat

    Given that the days of charity from London to NI are pretty much over and there is no incentive for British politicians to incentivise companies to come to region that has no part in who forms the government, we are much better to work on an island basis, where we have common goals and values and address obvious needs such as a cohesive infrastructure that benefits us all.

  • “as a cohesive infrastructure that benefits us all.”

    Hence my suggestion that major infrastructure links need to be looked at on a UK & Ireland basis ie Strand 3. Otherwise you end up with the grossly inadequate Tourism Ireland arrangement.

  • ayeYerMa

    Where is the talking shop between Belfast and Edinburgh?

  • “Where is the talking shop between Belfast and Edinburgh?”

    That’s a Strand 3 matter, ayeYerMa – perhaps the OFMDFM could provide an answer.

  • Alias

    (1)With a view to the eventual establishment of a Parliament for the whole of Ireland, and to bringing about harmonious action between the parliaments and governments of Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland, and to the promotion of mutual intercourse and uniformity in relation to matters affecting the whole of Ireland, and to providing for the administration of services which the two parliaments mutually agree should be administered uniformly throughout the whole of Ireland, or which by virtue of this Act are to be so administered, there shall be constituted, as soon as may be after the appointed day, a Council to be called the Council of Ireland.

    It’s interesting that more or less the same language used in 1920 (stressing mutual interest) when the British state imposed the original North-South Parliamentary Forum (the Council of Ireland) is used again to resurrect the constitutional provisions of Section 2 of the Government of Ireland Act 1920 as restated in its successor, the Northern Ireland Act 1998.

    The other aspect that is identical between the original provision and its reintroduction is that the makeup of the forum is not to be determined by democratic franchise (which would see the United Kingdom having a lesser veto in accordance with its smaller population on ‘the island of Ireland’) but by ‘parity of esteem’ with Ireland’s larger population to be ignored in favour of an equal number of members drawn from the United Kingdom and Ireland.

    (2) Subject as hereinafter provided, the Council of Ireland shall consist of a person nominated by the Lord Lieutenant acting in accordance with instructions from His Majesty who shall be President and forty other persons, of whom seven shall be members of the Senate of Southern Ireland, thirteen shall be members of the House of Commons of Southern Ireland, seven shall be members of the Senate of Northern Ireland, and thirteen shall be members of the House of Commons of Northern Ireland.

    And, of course, this is the United Kingdom that is to have a veto over the internal affairs of the Irish state, with that veto granted in the supranational provisions of a treaty between the two states, the British Irish Agreement.
    The propaganda used here of ‘North/South’ is used to disguise this supranational aspect by making it appear that it is two geographical halves of one state. It is a progression of the reintroduction of Ireland into the United Kingdom, with Her Majesty’s government further extending the control over political, economic and cultural institutions of the Irish state that was granted to it with the ratification of the 19th Amendment.

  • Alias,

    And, of course, this is the United Kingdom that is to have a veto over the internal affairs of the Irish state, with that veto granted in the supranational provisions of a treaty between the two states, the British Irish Agreement.

    No, it is the NI Assembly that has input into the affairs of the Republic under international treaty. You cannot equate the Assembly to the UK state unless you believe that the Assembly is a mindless sockpuppet of Whitehall. You’re entitled to believe that of course, but the rest of us think that’s paranoid crackpottery.

  • “that’s paranoid crackpottery”

    Now, now, Andrew, this is supposed to be a place of genteel civility.

  • Alias

    Andrew, it’s charming that you think that Her Majesty’s government’s devolved assembly operates under its own auspices but this delusion is either plucked out of a propaganda manual or out of your own ass. It administers on behalf of the British government those regional powers that the British government has devolved to it, with those regional powers retained under the sovereignty of Westminster and defaulting to it.

    As with all devolved assemblies of the British state, a cabinet member of the British government (the SoS) can veto any legislation enacted by the regional assembly on behalf of the British government and all such legislation must be signed into law by Her Majesty, once a member of her government (not the regional puppet assembles) submits it for Royal Assent.

    An interesting aspect of the reinstatement of the Council of Ireland (rebranded as the North South Inter-Parliamentary Association) is that the poor paddies are led to think that it is their idea when, in reality, it is simply the British state demanding that the provisions of the Government of Ireland Act 1920 must stand.

  • Alias

    Incidentally, there is only one reason why the British Irish Agreement had to be ratified by referendum: it is because Article 5 of the Irish constitution forbids the transfer of sovereign power from the people to foreign authorities. As the British Irish Agreement transferred what was formerly the nation’s sovereignty to the United Kingdom, that treaty required the nation to approve the removal of its right to self-determine its own affairs in regard to the formerly sovereign powers that were to be duly removed from the nation. This created Europe’s second supranational authority, with the EU being the only other supranational authority on the continent.

    Admittedly, the poor paddies were hoodwinked again here with virtually none of them being aware that they did their sovereignty away or that a second supranational authority came into being. At any rate, they have now established the principle that they have no right to determine their own affairs and that it is right and proper that the British state must interject consideration of its own national interests in the areas where these formerly sovereign powers are now exercised.

  • a cabinet member of the British government (the SoS) can veto any legislation enacted by the regional assembly

    The NSMC is an executive body, not a legislative one.

    they have now established the principle that they have no right to determine their own affairs

    I had no idea that Waterways Ireland had such control of Leinster House that the Irish people had no sovereignty left whatsoever. Do they write Enda’s speeches for him too?