Northern FAI fans turn up in Kracow (450kms from Poznan) to chant abuse at England team

This is the footage from Poland of Ireland fans chatting “England’s going home…’ that features in a News Letter piece today asking why when Northern Ireland or Ranger’s fans go off the piste it is never given a ‘bye ball’ by the media at large in the way this story appears to have been…

It also mentions this bizarre little episode:

It’s hard to be definitive but the accent that most predominates of those who went to the considerable trouble (nearly 450kms from Ireland’s first match in Poznan) of heckling the English team as they arrived at their hotel in Kracow were quite clearly northern fans of the FAI team.

The chants of “you’ll never beat Irish” seem to have had very little to do with football and more to do with the rather parochial (from an Irish point of view) concerns of a small proportion of the Irish fans.

  • OneNI

    Technically of course England wont ‘beat the Irish’ in this competition as the Republic arent likely to make the next stage and frankly I wouldnt to overly surprised if England dont make it either.
    Cue quieter life all round

  • lover not a fighter

    Your very late taking the field with this one Mick.

    Mildly embarassing/amusing.

    Thankfully no violence just a bit of football banter (maybe not everyones cup of tea)

    The guy, due before the Beak (accused of racist abuse) was on the England bus.

    Interestingly there does not appear to be too many England fans travelling.

    I would have thought there might be the possibility of far right/racist England fans travelling (admittedly England has made good strides agains these types in recent times.)

  • sonofstrongbow

    To be fair to the Irish fans they’re just getting into the local vibe. A significant percentage of football support in Poland is notably racist and unpleasant in character.

  • salgado

    lover not a fighter – England’s lack of support is probably due to
    1. their venues being a bit less hospitable than Ireland’s
    2. a general attitude of pessimism about the team
    from what I’ve heard, most countries other than Republic of Ireland and the hosts have struggled to get rid of their ticket allocation.

  • OneNI

    Given one can fly direct from Belfast to Kracow is it that surprising that they are Northern FAI fans in the area?

    Hats off to the Republic for managing to get so many fans to travel despite the dire economic situation

  • between the bridges

    SENIOR unionists have slammed the sectarian behaviour of some Republic of Ireland football fans attending Euro 2012 in Poland.http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/local/republic-fans-in-sectarian-storm-1-3936727

    the reality is it’s a small number of tanked ‘fans’, and yet last year we had NI fans crucified for something similar…

  • john

    The up the ra chant should certainly be condemned as it has no place at Irish football. The fans who welcomed the England team though were only engaging in a bit of banter including the Terry is a racist chant which IS funny. The English fans were there too singing your going down with the Euro so harmless banter. By the way despite the nonsense spouted here the majority of fans in Poland are not racist only a small mindless few.

  • john

    Just read the newsletter article surprise surprise Gregory has his opinion. Dear me some Rangers players got booed at Lansdowne road God love them. At least it wasnt their suppossed own fans booing eh or some bullets in the post for good measure? By the way Jelavic who scored the dubious second goal last night has only just left Rangers didnt hear a single boo!

  • DT123

    john;

    Have you an opinion on the sectarianism emenating from the RoI fans in Poland?

    There was also a death threat made against Jelavic on Twitter last night.We are awaiting Amanda Poole’s response from the Belfast Telegraph ,as she was the one who pushed the McLean story,resulting in the culprit being expelled from school and investigated by the PSNI.

  • JR

    I don’t condone the IRA chant and I won’t use the excuse Unionists use every time UVF appears on a Flag or in a chant. “Its the old IRA” but there is a difference in 6 fans out of 20,000 singing this in Krakof where no-one has a clue what they are singing about and nearly a hundred NI fans out of less than 1000 that traveled to Dublin Making a scene in a Dublin pub.

    In my opinion neither incident (NI in Dublin or these fans in Kracof) is a class A football hooligan offense (English fans tearing up lansdown road scale). It’s funny to see those who defended the NI fans to the hilt less than a year ago going ape over this. 6 fans is hardly a “Sectarian Storm” Smells like sour grapes to me.

  • Dec

    ‘There was also a death threat made against Jelavic on Twitter last night.We are awaiting Amanda Poole’s response from the Belfast Telegraph ,as she was the one who pushed the McLean story,resulting in the culprit being expelled from school and investigated by the PSNI.

    Are you suggesting death threats shouldn’t be investigated? Anyway, I hope the FAI take the same stringent action against these fans that the IFA of ‘Football for All’ fame took against the mob singing Billy Boys in the Aviva last year and the Linfield supporters who sang the same song at the recent Irish Cup final.

  • salgado

    JR – I don’t think any NI fans defended those chants in Dublin. They said what you have said, it was a small minority of fans.

  • between the bridges

    JR there where 6,500 NI fans in dublin and approx 25 on a video (take under the stand). also perhaps you could enlighten us as to just who is ‘going ape’?

  • DT123

    JR;

    There are a hell of a lot more than 6 in this video;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9qJBrYPpvCk

  • Dec

    ‘There are a hell of a lot more than 6 in this video;

    Indeed, several of them even appear to be Polish.

  • Greenflag

    It’s not often I can agree with Gregory Campbell DUP -But these so called fans are ‘pathethic’ The fact that it was only a small minority reflects poorly on the reputation of most Irish soccer fans who generally behave well when they travel .

    ‘You’ll never beat the Irish’ has just been responded to by Croatia . They just did 🙁

  • SK

    The fans chanting sectarian abuse were wrong and should be condemned.

    The England bus video is quite funny though.

  • veryoldgit

    The Republic of Ireland, thrashed by Crotia, is about as irrelevent to European and World football as it is to the world in general.
    So let their fans sing if it cheers them up.

  • iluvni

    sure ’tis all a bit o’ craic. Sweep it under the carpet

  • sonofstrongbow

    On a football thread should something akin to the off-side rule be applied to whataboutery?

    Perfect opportunity for yellow cards n’est-ce pas?

  • john

    DT123
    ‘Have you an opinion on the sectarianism emenating from the RoI fans in Poland?’

    I thought in the very first line in my post I condemned such chanting and mentioned there was no place for it in Irish football. Such fans are not welcome and I believe they are not true fans but playing the typical drunk paddy abroad.

    As for death threats then if there is one it should be followed up how is the person targeted or the authorities to know if the threat is serious or from some sad lonely teenager

  • lamhdearg2

    Jelavic who scored the dubious second goal, dubious?,

  • Billy Pilgrim

    The truth is that NI fans these days aren’t a bad bunch, by and large. But their problem is that they are the inheritors of a notorious tradition of sectarianism, hatred and joyless dourness. For this reason, modern-day transgressions (even the very minor ones) are viewed as part of that notorious tradition.

    RoI fans, in contrast, are the inheritors of a popularity earned by good behaviour and joyous times in the 80s and 90s – an era when hooliganism was rife across Europe, but most especially in England. Consequently, transgressions by RoI fans tend to be viewed as minor aberrations in an otherwise cherished tradition.

    One can understand NI fans’ frustration at the perceived double-standard, but it’s a mistake for them to demand that RoI fans be treated with the same suspicion that NI fans are. They are simply paying the price for the dreadful sectarianism of previous generations. They shouldn’t blame RoI fans for that – they should blame their fathers and grandfathers.

  • john

    Dubious – well offside and a foul what more do you want

  • sonofstrongbow

    ‘No matter what happens it’s themuns fault’. The default position has been asserted. Normal service can resume

    You just gotta smile 🙂

  • Alan N/Ards

    Billy

    I would agree with you that the bulk of the republic’s fans are decent people. Then again the bulk of the republic’s fans are from the….republic. It looks like some northern republicans are intent on destroying the good name of the southern fans who follow their team. I have seen both sides of the republic’s fans in 1978. The good side were kind and generous to my friends and I in a pub near Landsdowne rd. The bad side kicked the crap out of us 10 minutes after leaving that pub. I started attending NI games in 1970. These were the days when NI fans cheered on their team by chanting Ireland, Ireland not Northern Ireland. The troubles soon put a stop to that. These were the days when you 60.000 fans packed into Windsor. Are you really saying that everyone of these fans was a sectarian bigot? For your information my father and grandfather both supported NI. In fact my granda supported the Ireland team before the two states came into being. They took me to my first game. Both of them didn’t have a sectarian bone in their bodies. Do you really find it hard to accept that there are some people from your “tribe” who are just as sectarian as the people that you comdemn from the “tribe” that I come from? I used to think of myself as non sectarian. I now feel that being non sectarian is a cop out. We need to be anti sectarian and start calling a spade a spade.

    Billy, here’s a question for you. When exactly is the past going to be the past? NI fans have made great strides in binning all that crap. The decent fans who for years kept silent, when sectarian chanting was the rage at Windsor finally said enough is enough. Hopefully the decent fans in the republic will not wait as long as the decent NI fans did before putting an end to sectarianism.

  • Mister Joe

    Imagine that! Fans chanting against the opposing team. It’s part of the game and totally acceptable unless it involves personal, sectarian or racial abuse.

  • Mick Fealty

    Billy,

    “They shouldn’t blame RoI fans for that – they should blame their fathers and grandfathers.”

    Puts me mind of something else:

    REG: They’ve bled us white, the bastards. They’ve taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers’ fathers.

    LORETTA: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers.

    REG: Yeah.

    LORETTA: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers.

    REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don’t labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

  • ranger1640

    Here is a selection of screen shots form those non sectarian good auld non offending Irish supporters, extolling the virtues of Ex-Rangers player Nikita Jelavic.

    http://i46.tinypic.com/35jayhh.jpg

  • ranger1640

    Here are a few more screen shots form those non sectarian good auld non offending Irish supporters, extolling the virtues of Ex-Rangers player Nikita Jelavic. I wonder could some of these comments be bordering on criminal??? It seems the term “HUN” is not a term of endearment!!!

    http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u361/ranger1640/?action=view&current=15ck8sn.jpg

    http://s1064.photobucket.com/albums/u361/ranger1640/?action=view&current=2bcdnl.jpg

  • sitarman

    The kind of booing and chanting that was aimed at the England team is to be expected with most rivalries and is no more than a little bit of begrudgery. Singing ‘IRA’ & ‘**** the Queen’ chants during the Fields of Athenry IS offensive however. It’s anti-British hate speech and should receive the same media attention that the sectarian singing of Northern Ireland fans video got… but of course it won’t.

  • sitarman

    @ranger1640, i honestly believe if you changed the word ‘hun’ for ‘fenian’ in those conversations and it was N.I. playing then this would be covered in all the local press today.

  • ranger1640

    Sitarman 100% not only that, this site would be full of republican indignation. But here its only England and Huns.

    Just for you that don’t know. “Hun” is the sectarian term used by Celtic and republic of Ireland supporters/fans, for Rangers players and Ex-players, supporters, Protestants and Unionists.

  • Neil

    When exactly is the past going to be the past?

    How does over ten years sound? Not that long ago really, ten years. When the whole Lennon unpleasantness happened. That’s of course assuming those NI fans went from issuing death threats to never chanting anything sectarian ever again, but then we know that didn’t happen.

    NI fans have made great strides in binning all that crap. The decent fans who for years kept silent, when sectarian chanting was the rage at Windsor finally said enough is enough.

    Hence us not liking NI, Hence the blame lying with the decent fans you reference. The fathers and so on. No doubt NI has come a long way, but as I said, ten years ain’t that long really.

    Hopefully the decent fans in the republic will not wait as long as the decent NI fans did before putting an end to sectarianism.

    Agreed, and I suspect they won’t.

  • Greenflag

    How ever did Rangers supporters get/earn the moniker ‘Huns’ ?
    Is there a Hungarian connection perhaps ? or is it just WW1/WW2 aftermath as a generalisation for the ‘enemy ‘

    Scotland could be said to have been the ‘Hungary’ of the British Empire just as Hungary played second fiddle to the Austrians in the Austro Hungarian Empire ? Second fiddle seems to be a tag which fits the current Scottish national teams be it rugby or soccer .What is the matter ? The Scottish premier league is more than a notch or two above the FAI or IFA leagues or the Welsh league .

    Its a game folks -soccer and rugby .No need to get knickers in a twist or beat each other up -Tis childish no?

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Mick

    The only thing my post has in common with that sketch is the word ‘father.’

    Imperialists citing that (legendary) Python sketch really is such a tired cliche at this stage. Particularly if it isn’t even remotely relevant!

  • lamhdearg2

    huns at the gates of rome?, (they sacked it).

  • lamhdearg2

    ps its not only a name given to rangers fans, it just the taigs word for prods/huns/orange bastards/jaffas/ectectect.
    i dont think many n.i. fans will be looking at the clips and feeling outrage, the rage is because the press in n.i. is half* full of wet lib irish (small ,i ,untill the drink is in, then they become full blown river dancers) and the other half, are Irish.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Alan

    ‘When exactly is the past going to be the past? NI fans have made great strides in binning all that crap.’

    What we’re talking about here, specifically, is the sectarianism for which NI soccer was so notorious, for the better part of a century. (And which cannot be entirely discussed in the past tense either, despite encouraging signs in recent years.)

    As I’ve said, NI fans today are definitely a much improved bunch on those who went before.

    But if you’re asking, when can NI fans free themselves from the taint of a notoriously sectarian past, I’d suggest it’d be a start to face up to that past, and that legacy; instead of spouting spurious defences such as ‘my granda hadn’t a bigoted bone in his body,’ or ‘not everyone was a bigot’ etc.

    In short, when NI fans actually, genuinely feel and admit to feeling ashamed of the past, and stop downplaying or mitigating the litany of sectarianism that is the history of NI soccer: that’s when the past can be the past.

  • Dewi

    I reckon Croatia might have a chance….not really impressed with anyone else bar Spain.

  • Lionel Hutz

    I hate when people add in “F@#* the Queen” and “IRA” into the Fields of Athenry. It’s disgusting.

    But those seeking a comparison between Northern Ireland and the Ireland teams are missing a point. The FAI did not try to stop unionists playing for Northern Ireland and say “they have to play for us.”The IFA did and the sectarian chanting by Northern Ireland fans is more important in that context

  • lamhdearg2

    “The IFA did and the sectarian chanting by Northern Ireland fans is more important in that context”.
    Please elaborate Lionel, please explain why the IFAs actions over eligibility excuse bbcni and utv, from not giving these twats the press push they gave the other twats, will the “round one” be giving up must of his show to this?.

  • lamhdearg2

    most

  • Hopping The Border

    Other than the Queen references and the IRA chanting I can’t really see the problem?

    Poor gregory, players getting booed! At a football match! the thought!

    And the opposition fans being told to go home! terrible stuff altogether.

    But to top it all off, one team’s fans singing about how you’ll never beat them! With words like that, there must be something more, it must transcend sport and be political .

    I would have to wonder has either Gregory or the author of this post ever been to a professional football match!

    #COYBIG

  • Mick Fealty

    Billy:

    “Yeah. All right, Stan. Don’t labour the point.”

    This is the relevant bit… Oh, and “fathers fathers fathers father” of course…

    You’re basically saying “it’s in your blood… so don’t complain if you are treated unfairly…”

  • DC

    I don’t see anything wrong with what the Ireland fans were doing, bit of jokey banter?

  • lamhdearg2

    Hopping, i will assume you could not really see a problem with the chanting in dublin when n.i. played scotland, good man. you see i, like you know what football fans are like, naughty boys and girls, however should the press be treating the RoI fans with kidd gloves, when they spent a week slagging of the N.I. fans, even going as far as naming one of them and calling for him to lose his livelihood.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Mick

    So, not actually remotely relevant at all.

    The brilliant Python sketch has become sadly cliched through overuse by the unimaginative. Apparently, the Pythons cringe at the way it’s used by imperialist apologists. In this case, it has absolutely no connection to the issue at hand, except that it contains the word ‘father,’ and I used the word ‘father’ too.

    And I’m not ‘basically’ saying anything. What I’m actually saying is there in black and white. It has nothing to do with blood.

    Nor do I agree that NI supporters are ‘treated unfairly.’

    You are resorting to misrepresentation, and attacking ridiculous arguments that I’m not making, and wouldn’t make.

    Presumably if you were able to lay a glove on the argument I’m actually making, you would do so.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    It’s a few idiots, isn’t it. Disgraceful. It’s not all Republic fans by any means or even typical of them, whatever some may do when in Celtic colours. But there does seem to be a double standard in how anti-British sectarianism from Irish people is treated by the media. There has been very little reporting of this in mainstream media.

    The media quite rightly come down on it like a ton of bricks when it comes from NI fans. They have to do the same for these idiots with the IRA chants. It is wrong that NI’s reputation should suffer but the Republic’s not at all for very similar incidents.

    Both sets of supporters need to keep up their vigilance over sectarian chanting or it will creep back in, as the behaviour of the pathetic bunch of dorks in Posnan shows. The overwhelming majority of NI and Republic supporters want nothing to do with that nonsense.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Sorry, Krakow! Which makes it even worse. I love Krakow, fantastic city.

  • galloglaigh

    Mick

    Is that not a little short-sighted? I know quite a few fans who have travelled from Ulster, all having Northern accents. Are you stating that they’re from Northern Ireland? Most of the lads I know have no tickets. They’ve gone to Krakow on a sort of stag weekend, with a little footie in their too.

    To be fair, it’s a bit of banter. Harmless if anything else. Manchester City fans would do the same, if they seen the United team coming off a bus.

  • Hopping The Border

    LD2

    Other than the Queen references and the IRA chanting I can’t really see the problem?”

    Work it out for yourself.

    *A clue – running around the fenian capital triumphantly singing about being up to your knees in fenian blood is neither wise nor acceptable and frankly, quite disrespectful to your host.

    The oddest thing I find about this whole story is that most folk of a blue white and red hue seem more annoyed by the lack of publicity the *story* is getting than its actual content.

    It’s as if they see it as a tool not being properly utilised in a propaganda war to get one back at or try and “even the scales” with those pesky ROI fans and nationalists for all the bad publicity the IFA has got over its fan base down through the years.

    Bullets in the post, death threats, enforced player “retirements”, “going” trick or treating at Windsor in 93 etc.

    Would this story get much more air time if the fenian hordes were running around London singing f*** the queen etc?

    Yes.

    Are they?

    No.

    Does that excuse the acts?

    No.

    But it does explain the lack of interest of everyone other then a few irrelevant Unionist politicians stalking the internet for ways to be offended and the excuse for a good whinge in the Newsletter, that bastion of solid, balanced journalism.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    ‘It’s as if they see it as a tool not being properly utilised in a propaganda war to get one back at or try and “even the scales” with those pesky ROI fans and nationalists for all the bad publicity the IFA has got over its fan base down through the years.’

    And there, in a nutshell, is the whole story here.

  • lamhdearg2

    “even the scales”
    “in a nutshell”
    yes fairness is what i want, demand.

  • To be fair, it’s a bit of banter. Harmless if anything else. Manchester City fans would do the same, if they seen the United team coming off a bus.

    Not quite the same. The nearest equivalent would be City fans chanting “Munich 58” at the Utd players. And I daresay a few City fans would dismiss that also as “harmless” banter. You would hope that the majority would see why it was regarded as offensive.

    “But it does explain the lack of interest of everyone other then a few irrelevant Unionist politicians stalking the internet for ways to be offended and the excuse for a good whinge in the Newsletter, that bastion of solid, balanced journalism.”

    You are making the assumption that the media in NI uses “newsworthiness” as criteria when deciding whether to cover such a story. It doesn’t. The preferences and prejudices of its present and targeted readership are what determines its choice. Hence for exactly the same reason that the ATN will never devote as much (or any) space to the victims of the Frizzells Massacre as they do to, for example, the Ballymurphy Massacre, two out of NI’s three daily papers will see the reporting of a Twitter ‘death” threat to a “fenian” bastard like McClean more palatable for what they perceive for their demographic than a Twitter “death” threat to an “Orange” bastard like Jelavic.

    Put bluntly, their readers don’t want to be knocked out of their comfort zone and you can argue till the cows come home that it is an immoral attitude to take (particularly for a paper managed by Ed Curran, by far the most sanctimonious man in NI journalism) but in N.Ireland 2012, a happy readership and increasing profits will take precedence over an even-handed struggle against sectarianism or racism any day of the week.

    It’s up to you ultimately whether you decide to contribute towards the profits of that kind of journalism. Given the Bellylaugh’s continuing, inexorable and deserved descent into obscurity, it is probably not a question that need concern you too much longer.

    The BBC NI is a wholly different kettle of fish in that we all, whether we want to or not, subsidise its continuing existence and while its reporting of all-round japery and craicery (“Oh look. This guy forgot his ticket! How comical, how newsworthy.”) plays it inoffensibly safe, the non-reporting of, for example, Saturday’s night rioting in Poznan when Croats and Poles belted seven hells out of each other should raise uncomfortable questions. Earlier trouble involving Russian and Poles was faithfully covered, but BBC NI was alone in the Irish (?) media in ignoring the events in Poznan.

    Why, especially when they had a man on the ground (the one keeping us up to date on the lost tickets, missing flags, drinking sessions)?

    Could it possibly be that Irish fans were also involved (albeit on the periphery) with three arrested and at least one English journo tweeting Irish fans also throwing bottles)?
    I wasn’t there, but I was paying for the Beeb’s man to be and I would have expected him to give some kind of, you know, actual news in this case and failing that, at least some kind of explanation as to why he didn’t.

  • Mike the First

    Neil

    “How does over ten years sound? Not that long ago really, ten years. When the whole Lennon unpleasantness happened. That’s of course assuming those NI fans went from issuing death threats”

    One person in a phone box, Neil, one person who you or I have no idea whether they’ve even been to an international football match.

  • Mike the First

    Hopping the Border

    “Bullets in the post”

    Why, exactly, is it that NI fans are being branded with this Old Firm based lunacy?

  • john

    Look its really quite simple the guys on you tube singing up the ra are idiots – is it newsworthy – no. The news would be cluttered if we had to report on every sectarian or racist nonsense on youtube or twitter and on old firm match day the tv would explode as it couldnt cope with the latest secatrian vile. The point is BBC and UTV would defo have covered this if the scum bags were singing their songs at Windsor trying to provoke a reaction (aviva style hence the difference) As for O’Neil believing only fenian death threats are palatable – rubbish. The threat on Jelavic is maybe not reported so much as he is Croation but certainly when our very own Gregory Campbell was threatened it was well reported and rightly so and dealt with by the authorities!

  • Hopping The Border

    ” two out of NI’s three daily papers will see the reporting of a Twitter ‘death” threat to a “fenian” bastard like McClean more palatable for what they perceive for their demographic than a Twitter “death” threat to an “Orange” bastard like Jelavic.”

    I’m no journalist but my guess would be the fact McLean is native to this land and Jelavic isn’t?

    “Could it possibly be that Irish fans were also involved (albeit on the periphery) with three arrested and at least one English journo tweeting Irish fans also throwing bottles)?
    I wasn’t there, but I was paying for the Beeb’s man to be and I would have expected him to give some kind of, you know, actual news in this case and failing that, at least some kind of explanation as to why he didn’t.”

    I can just imagine your directions to Niblock: – “seek out any and all instances of ROI fans not behaving themselves impeccably, no matter how small, and publicise it”

    Just to point out I have no idea what you are referring to – probably because no one in the domestic national or international media thought it news worthy. Except Northern Ireland fans of course.*

    I wonder why?

    *(and a sole unnamed English journalist)

    LD2 – whatever about what you want, it’s certainly what Greg, Danny and the Newsletter are chasing.

    Mike, you are correct concerning the bullets – apologies to you and any other NI fans for that inaccurate example.

  • HtB,

    “’m no journalist but my guess would be the fact McLean is native to this land and Jelavic isn’t?

    And that makes it more or less reprehensible (and thus newsworthy)- bearing in mind the culprits in both cases came from NI and more importantly the idiots in both cases were highly unlikely to ever carry out their threat? Selective reporting bases on the preference and prejudice of their readership (and at the risk of being accused of whataboutery, it’s a similar charge you laid at the door of the News Letter).

    “Just to point out I have no idea what you are referring to – probably because no one in the domestic national or international media thought it news worthy. Except Northern Ireland fans of course.*”

    You really should have read my post closer or did you really think that when I said:”but BBC NI was alone in the Irish (?) media in ignoring the events in Poznan.” I was making it up?

    Try googling the Irish Independent, Irh Times, RTE, Daily Mail, Daily Mail, the Daily Mirror etc etc on it; for some reason Slugger isn’t letting me post up links at the minute so you mightn’t get this:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2012/0610/1224317654018.html

    So, covered by UK and ROI media and, of course, the News Letter but not BBCNI.

    And I would saythat indicates it was a more newsworthy story than some idiot forgetting his ticket but perhaps your and Our Man in Poznan’s ideas of newsworthiness vary.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    lol, with England topping the group, these poor fans look just a little silly….. LOL

  • Mick Fealty

    How long were you waiting to post that?

  • lamhdearg2

    There not going home, there not going home, there not going, there not going, there not going home, (yet).

    would have loved to see ukraine score, just at the end there, now if i can just avoid the news/newspapers untill sunday, i still may want england to win.

  • the future’s bright, the future’s orange

    he he, Waited until the 93rd minute…

    In all seriousness, Hodson did a superb job. A very limited side that is playing with more heart than ability. Probably a draw would have been a deserved result. Never expected them to get past the group.

    Italy will be a step too bar, unless England can bring along that 5th official to referee…

  • Mick Fealty

    They did. The ball definitely crossed the line before Terry cleared.

  • Mick Fealty

    Very loose at the back. And the lads going forward are still looking for each other and not finding them.

  • lamhdearg2

    Only a goal if its given mick, ask Frank lampard, I bet England getting this break, means blatter brings in goal line tec. Goal linesman or whatever hes called is blind as the proverbial.

  • salgado

    Mick – the ball crossed the line, but the goal should have been offside anyway so it works out alright in the end.

    It was a very lucky result for England; they’ll be lucky to get through the QF but stranger things have happened.

  • Mark

    Stranger things have certainly happened and Chelsea’s run and subsequent win in the Champions League is a prime example of what a bit of luck and two or three of your players on top form can achieve . Gerard , Cole , Rooney and Hart are world class but their defence is weak with Johnston prone to at least two bad mistakes each match . I can see England beating Italy ( we beat them last yr ) and then they’re due a win against Germany ….zzzzzz Wake up Mr Lineker !

  • gary oh

    I like to see england do well. But there media does them ni favours especially the itv commentators. Beware italia. That’s all am sayin

  • babyface finlayson

    Rooney looked to me like a man that doesn’t like the heat.
    I don’t think he’ll do much. Just like in S Africa.

  • lamhdearg2

    I would have had Rooney off after 65-70 mins. but I would start him v Italy. wellbeck looked mobile enough to cover for Rooneys lack of fitness.

  • Mark

    When France won the WC in 98 Zidane was sent off and banned for two matches . He came back and peaked and the rest is ….

    Rooney is no Zidane but he is England’s best chance of progressing . It was noticable watching him being interview that the FA’s top dog ( Andrew Bevington ? ) was standing directly behind him in case he said anything silly etc and gave the red tops something to stir up . Most of the English media seem to be behind the team but there’s always one or two who can’t help themselves . Bad press has always affected Ronney’s form so the FA are taking no chances .

    In his career Rooney has always scored in bursts . He will go four or five games without scoring and then six in three etc . Tonight’s game will have done his fitness no harm and it’s drama all the way this weekend .