Fiscal Treaty Live blog…

I will be blogging on other things today, but if you want to join the crack and the gossip I shall mostly be found inside the live blog… Could be a helluva roller coaster ride… Keep an eye on Donegal for a major V gesture to the Yes side…

  • keano10

    Have there been any “official” exit polls other than the random voter ‘samples’ that some newspapers are reporting this morning?

    Most of the Daily’s seem to think that the ‘yes’ vote has carried the day, which comes as no surprise, but I wonder what the potential margin of victory might possibly be?

  • Drumlins Rock

    Mick, do you think SF will be noting the high No areas to target for the next election?

  • dwatch

    FF & FG coming together is a good idea. A yes vote is best for the time being otherwise a no vote will bring more poverty.

  • Mick Fealty

    Of course. Eoin O’Broin’s DMW is trending No, which is a score for SF against Labour… This will not be a surprise to them though… Donegal NW looking strong No, but suspect they’ll be wary of that one since the Blaneyites are probably more Eurosceptic than SF… Elsewhere in rural Ireland the IFA’s backing of a Yes vote seems to have carried some weight…

    dwatch,

    Are you joking?

  • dwatch

    Mick. If its a No vote win, where will the government get another loan at 3% interest to bail them out in 2013?

  • Mick. If its a No vote win, where will the government get another loan at 3% interest to bail them out in 2013?… dwatch asked 1 June 2012 at 11:37 am

    That does somewhat highlight the madness in rendering and surrendering your currency supply to Johnny Foreigner, swatch?

    A question and folly which is further highlighted by this contribution to the debate on your slavery to fiat currency and the crooked banking system …….. Towers was asked, “Will you tell me why a government with power to create money, should give that power away to a private monopoly, and then borrow that which parliament can create itself, back at interest, to the point of national bankruptcy?” He replied, “If Parliament wants to change the form of operating the banking system, then certainly that is within the power of Parliament.” ….. http://thedailybell.com/3946/12-Year-Old-Viral-Video-Money-Reformer-Supports-Hyperinflation

    Don’t you yet realise the Great Game being played against you by those you may have imagined are there to help you but in reality are just into helping themselves to everything you have and hold dear.

  • Greenflag

    Fear of the ‘unknown’ won over anger but then again less than half the electorate voted . North Dubs ,Donegal , and Louth appear to be less fearful of thumbing a nose at the banksters and their political puppets.

    No surprise then . Meanwhile the focus will now be on Spain and the decks are clearing for a somewhat more orderly Greek exit /ejection from the Eurozone .

  • 241934 john brennan

    It presently looks very predictable – at 57% minimum Yes vote – with the Labour party as losers – especially in constituencies they did best in at the last election

  • Mick Fealty

  • dwatch

    “That does somewhat highlight the madness in rendering and surrendering your currency supply to Johnny Foreigner, swatch?”

    It sure does, but Ireland are in now with both feet and they may as well hang on with a yes vote to see what happens between now & 2013. The Euro may collapse anyway, if so
    Ireland can then revert back to its own currency and print as many Punts as it wishes. How it will effect overseas & trade with Northern Ireland is anybody’s guess.

  • dwatch
  • You would have to be brain dead to vote yes, but still, should not be to hard as most of the Irish middle class have long been suffering with this affliction for some time. When was the last time the middle class stood up for anything? Oh, I forgot, they stood up and bowed when betsy visited.

    The neo liberal elites must be rubbing their hands with glee. they punish a whole nation for their crimes, yet it still keeps paying out, this will only end now when the well is completely dry.

    To steal a nasty pun, will the last Irish person to emigrate please turn the light out, that is if the foreign multi national has not already cut it off.

  • tyrone_taggart

    “You would have to be brain dead to vote yes”

    I would have voted yes. A single currency needs everyone to play by the same rules.

  • Mick Fealty

    Mick,

    I think you’re being incredibly patronising. I complete understand and sympathise with those who wanted to vote No. There is something incredibly arrogant at the heart of this project which is crunching the democratic institutions of small countries like Ireland. But most people made a rational decision not to go through the mad hell of what would likely follow.

  • “I would have voted yes. A single currency needs everyone to play by the same rules.”

    Tyrone

    With respect it is the total lack of everyone playing by the rules which should have made people vote no. There cannot be many in Ireland who does not understand this fact, having watched the political, business and media elites enrich themselves over the last decade or so and to hell with the consequences.’ Those who voted yes voted out of fear for the future, never mind they should be scared shitless by what has happened up to now.

    The fact is these elites trade on fear, whether in the UK it was weapons of mass destruction over Iraq, or the need for more austerity and cuts in Ireland. Indeed the FG/LP coalition toured Ireland during this campaign stoking up fear, indeed by telling people they must vote yes, so if the need arises they can get at the bail out fund, they all but admitted their policies might fail. Which does not give one much confidence in their ability or judgement, does it.

    all the best

    “A rational decision not to go through the mad hell of what would likely follow.”

    Mick F

    Just as people supported the Iraq war because they did not wish to have weapons of mass destruction rained down on them, mmm mick, did it happen, could it have occurred, the elites were lying through their teeth for personal advantage.

    Why would a ‘rational’ person believe anything these people say? The point is surly they or their shadows made the mess due to their support for an extreme right wing economic ideology and now when the excreta has hit the fan they are unwilling to forgo the neo liberal dogma which they have chained themselves to. God save us, these imbeciles really do believe the market knows best.(For them and theirs) Someone, somewhere has to say enough!

    By the way, there is a big difference in my book between being patronising and pulling people tail’s in a light hearted manner. Take my word for it, we working class people know a thing or two about being patronised.

    I hope all is well with you and yours.

  • tyrone_taggart

    “With respect it is the total lack of everyone playing by the rules which should have made people vote no.”

    I agree, Spain you need your banks supported. We will do that for you. “Ireland” please sir can we now have the same?

    The real world is unfair, not much you can do about it.

    In this case all the countries have to put up with the conditions so at least everyone will/should play by the rules?