Screw EU!

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  • Funny.

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    ——–> <———- This close to satire….

  • Rory Carr

    I have asked myself, “How is it possible for Clegg to serve as Deputy in a coalition to a Prime Minister that he has shown himself to be so publicly at odds with on a matter so fundamentally important as this?”

    Then I had a sup of tea and the answer came ringing back, loud and clear in my head, “Why, it’s simple, Rory, the man’s a LibDem.”

  • Dewi

    Lol Rory – Have they no shame at all????

  • Rory Carr. Nick Clegg clearly belongs with his namesake in Last of the summer wine. If the LDs could work out who to replace him with, he’d be a goner already. Ed Milliband is seriously out of his depth as Labour leader as well, so DC can hardly believe his luck

  • Rory Carr

    Unfortunately, Madras, what you say is all too true. And to think that I favoured Mr Bean for the Labour leadership over his rivals at the time, actually believing that he was the most progressive candidate of a very bad bunch.

    But at least I had the excuse of unfamiliarity with contemporary Labour Party machinations and the declining faculties of a rapidly advancing senility, what excuse the party faithful had escapes me completely.

  • FuturePhysicist

    How’s about Cam Down David?

  • Cynic2

    And so it satrts to unravel

    http://www.ft.com

    Registration is free and its worth seeing. Even the Leader of the Bundestag says the ‘deal’ may be unconstitutional in Germany! Another Eurozone crisis for Christmas anyone?

  • Neil

    Even the Leader of the Bundestag says the ‘deal’ may be unconstitutional in Germany! Another Eurozone crisis for Christmas anyone?

    So that would mean (as has been widely suggested in the media) that his use of the veto was literally pointless then, as whether he used it or not the outcomes would be the same? As they say, if you’re going to alienate a crucial export market in the middle of a recession it’s best to do it for absolutely no purpose or gain. Result eurosceptics! Well done. All the pain with none of the gain.

  • michael-mcivor

    Is screw EU better than seeing the EU screw us-

  • Cynic2

    Neil

    Sometimes (even in politics) you have to show LEADERSHIPp and dow hat is RIGHT npt expedient. The ‘deal’ is a maess designed more to get Sarko re-lecetd than anything else.

  • Neil

    Sorry cynic but be fair. This statement means literally NOTHING:

    Sometimes (even in politics) you have to show LEADERSHIPp and dow hat is RIGHT npt expedient.

    Breaking it down, leaving aside the unfortunate need to SHOUT, what is ‘RIGHT’? Can you define that? Are only you and Dave correct or is what’s ‘right’ something which depends on the person asked?

    You then cap it off by saying ‘not what is expedient’ or appropriate to the purpose. So you think it’s a rule in politics that it’s a good idea to not do what is appropriate?

    You have yourself posted a link suggesting that Dave’s use of his veto has a) not changed the course of events at all – ergo has been of no benefit to the British peopl and b) has antagonised the bulk of the Eurozone, our biggest trading partner.

    I’m asking you, if you can avoid the whole condescending SHOUTING CAPS THING, where is the silver lining? Or do I read things correctly, he’s managed to get everyone’s back up in return for *drum roll* fuck all?

  • Alias

    There is no transaction tax for the City of London. That is mission accomplished.

  • Neil

    Nor, according to some (eurosceptics included) would there have been.

    Though Dave’s position has been strengthened within his own party, and sure isn’t that what the Veto’s for.

  • Alias

    Incidentally, the EU’s share of global GDP will have fallen to 17% in 4 years time. Since 83% of global GDP is outside of the EU it borders on the moronic to tailor your economy exclusively for the needs of the Single European Market.

    The EU is a backward, bankrupt and over-regulated marketplace that is in fatal decline. It must be the first case in history where rats are jumping onto a sinking ship.

  • Cynic2

    Neil

    Its very simple. There is much carping on Slugger and the like of the Guardian by those who would simply see this as an opportunity to do down either the Tories or the UK or both. Not least s Labour who would , we now find, also have said no but are happy to try and drive a edge between the coaliton partners. Naked opportunism at a time of crisis – nice.

    Indeed, the gloating has often been obvious – though its strange there has been little posturing here by the harder core Repubcian posters who seem at a loss what to go for – a Franco german takeover or a proto-Brittanic standoff. Shame the Republic only lasted 90 years!

    But I digress. My point was that sometimes one is faced with options none of which are ideal and all of which come with a high price. Sometimes too one has to decide on principle and fight for what you belive in, even when all around are taking a different path or even paths

  • FuturePhysicist

    Incidentally, the EU’s share of global GDP will have fallen to 17% in 4 years time. Since 83% of global GDP is outside of the EU it borders on the moronic to tailor your economy exclusively for the needs of the Single European Market.
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    Off the cuff of your head what does Britain make and sell to North America, Brazil, India, China and Australia?

    A lot of what Britain does is link former contacts in Hong Kong, the Commonwealth and Washington to the European markets … it has decimated its internal productivity to do so.

    The UK is a salesman economy, not a sales economy.

  • FuturePhysicist

    大変申し訳ありません日本!

  • Alias

    GDP isn’t calculated that way, i.e. by counting brokerage services. The only services that are counted as part of GDP are end-user services, i.e. those that not re-sold or re-used in another product (so as to avoid multiple counting they are counted once only: in the final product).

    The CSO publishes detailed stats that give the breakdown of UK exports by sector. I think its called the ‘blue book’ or something like that. I wouldn’t know what goes where without checking (and you can do that yourself).

  • Its all right for the French to use its veto when its interests in Farm subsidies is threatened

    Its all right for the Germans to refuse to get involved in Eurobonds.

    Its all right for Ireland to refuse to give up its low rate of Corporation tax

    But it is not all right for Britain to say no to being bound by a Financial transactions tax.

    ‘screw EU hypocrites’

  • FuturePhysicist

    Actually it was all right for the UK to use its veto, that’s the price every other EU member has to pay to have its individual veto. Right but Frowned upon.

    The key difference is that there would be countries with enough mutual interests to back up the French, Germans and Irish on each of those individual points.

  • Harry Flashman

    How’s British “isolation” a week later?

    ‘Talk of ‘nuclear default’ sums up Left’s anger at EU dictates’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8959687/Talk-of-nuclear-default-sums-up-Lefts-anger-at-EU-dictates.html

    ‘Debt crisis: Brussels accord on the verge of collapse’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8959632/Debt-crisis-Brussels-accord-on-the-verge-of-collapse.html

    If you only get your news from the BBC and the Guardian you might not realise that there’s a much bigger world out there.

  • Roy Carr. I suppose the explanation for the defeat of David M. was due to the effective block voting of those Labour members who would have done the same when clause 4 was in place. A bit like the way Tom Elliot became UUP leader by bussing the hordes in from Fermanagh to steal the election.

  • Cynic2

    There was a young Minister from Paree
    Who attacked our economee
    He claimed we were bust
    But we’re not really fussed
    Cause we’ve shorted the Euro – you’ll see

  • Harry Flashman

    Once again the Telegraph tells us like it is;

    “French seek to heal rift with Britain as suddenly they are the isolated ones”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8962610/French-seek-to-heal-rift-with-Britain-as-suddenly-they-are-the-isolated-ones.html

  • Rory Carr

    “Once again the Telegraph tells us like it is;”

    Of course it does, Harry. Just keep telling yourself that and the world will ever be all right.