Ballyclare Riot Arrest & Charge Watch: Day 22

 To Ballyclare journeyed I earlier this week, reviving memories of the summer of ’94, when I spent a few months visiting the bars and clubs of rural Antrim and Down replenishing cigarette vending machines, including in the Ballyclare region.

Ballyclare’s loyalists are clearly fond of their flags, and it took little time to mentally tally a total figure of lamp post flags in excess of 100 in the small town. Intriguingly, the five flags fluttering in unison above one of the roundabouts in the town centre included one for the UDA and UVF each, as well as what appeared to be a British Army regimental flag and welcome  ‘our’ troops home flag, all flanking the Union Flag. A mural in the Grange area which faces the Sacred Heart Catholic Church made reference to loyalists ‘standing alone together,’  which I found somewhat oxymoron-ish in the same manner the incorrect translation of Sinn Fein as ‘ourselves alone’ makes one pause for thought.

Several flags with a Star of David in the centre were also on display in the town, as well as the customary nod to Scottish brethren through the fluttering of Andrew’s Saltire.

On only one lamp post did I note two flags, and that was the lamp post directly in front of Sacred Heart Catholic Church on the Doagh Road- which also faces the Catholic Maintained Tir Na Nog Primary School.  Furthermore, I noted only two locations with on street red, white and blue bunting: outside the Orange Hall and, secondly, directly outside the PSNI Station, suggesting either a PSNI keen to involve themselves in the festivities or an eagerness on behalf of local loyalists to continue goading the now remorseful PSNI (I’d bet on the latter.)

 Needless to say, still no arrests nor charges in Ballyclare……

  • AntrimObserver

    And yet the arrests and charges for nationalists allegedly involved in the Ardoyne riots just keep on coming.

    What an amazing, impartial police force we have!

  • Ballyclare 37 AEP’s fired No arrests loyalists

    Oldpark 23 AEP’s fired No arrests Nationalists

    Cant wait to see all the Star of David Flags – http://nifriendsofisrael.wordpress.com/

  • sonofstrongbow

    This is a very timely thread. As Entertainments Officer for my local Get-A-Life Club I’m expected to come up with the arrangements for the annual day out. We’ve done going to the North Coast to see if the sea is actually wet to the touch and last year I hosted the club on my farm where we spent an enjoyable day walking from field to field to check the colour of the grass: it was uniformly green by the way.

    Now my problem is that the club members are a picky bunch and do expect some degree of shock and awe on our trips. I’d have never come up with going to a loyalist town during July to count flags myself but a good idea is a good idea whatever the source. So cheers Chris our day out is sorted!

  • PJ Maybe

    Chris Donnelly Watch: Day 10,004. After some wilfully anodyne guff about a festival in West (sic) Belfast, normal service resumes. And not a moment too soon.

  • ranger1640

    Obviously the PSNI are not taking too much notice of your posts on this Chris, or Gerry Kelly. They are still arresting rioters. Anyhow I would have thought you, Gerry Kelly and Sinn Fein would have been delighted to have these antisocial types off the streets. But there you go???

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/two-charged-over-riot-petrol-bomb-16030178.html

    Another 2 to add to the tally Chris.

    By the way Chris, your becoming quite the gum-shoe doing the PSNI’s work for them, by going to Ballyclare to count flags.

    What a waste of a day!!! Bad enough going to Ballyclare for social or work reasons, but going there just to count over 100 flags, the mind boggles??? Whatever rocks your boat Chris…Anyway Its nice to hear your getting out and about. You should have take MP, he likes taking photos of Loyalist flags.

    Chris, did you see Gerry Kelly on TV, at yesterday’s gay pride parade with his rainbow flag and a big cheesy grin????

  • fordprefect

    Chris, keep it up! You’re exposing the so called “parity of esteem” crap for what it is! When it comes to rioting, arrests and charges, it goes out the window.

  • CharlieMcCarthy29

    Weird and wonderful are the workings of the wobbly wheels of whataboutery.

  • lamhdearg

    fordprefect,
    I disagree, what chris is doing is picking out what he claims proves bias, and ignoring all the rest, i know this as it take one to know one.

  • tacapall

    The whataboutery above doesn’t change the fact that the PSNI obviously made an agreement with supporters of loyalist terrorists ie certain Unionist politicians and indeed those who carried out and controlled those who rioted in Ballyclare that no arrests and no charges would be made against those who attempted to murder police officers. Are we expected to believe no-one involved in the rioting were able to be identified or that the video recording equipment on PSNI landrovers dont work in Ballyclare.

  • CharlieMcCarthy29

    And though the flags were rather small,
    They had to count them all.
    Now we know how many flags it takes to make a blogger bawl…

    Apologies to L&M

  • ranger1640

    Tacapall, can you give us a link or substantiate your fact as you describe it below???

    “The whataboutery above doesn’t change the fact that the PSNI obviously made an agreement with supporters of loyalist terrorists ie certain Unionist politicians and indeed those who carried out and controlled those who rioted in Ballyclare that no arrests and no charges would be made against those who attempted to murder police officers”.

  • lamhdearg

    CharlieMcCarthy,
    thank you. a smile is worth a thousand words.

  • tacapall

    Ranger that comes with years of experience of watching The Rev McCrea and various other unionist politicians cosying up to loyalist terrorists, indeed defending them on occasions and excusing their actions with finger pointing at others. Baggott apologizing to the loyalist rioters, those responsible for erecting those terrorist flags outside the catholic church, well where else would you get it. Nudge nudge wink wink !

  • lamhdearg

    Terrorists flags as opposed to freedom fighters flags.

  • ranger1640

    Tacapall, so in fact your post is just a lode of paranoia!!!
    Thought so!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3_UCm1A5I

    Or maybe

  • lamhdearg

    Ranger,
    i hope you are not suggesting we have some blind bats, here on slugger, one eyed bats maybe, blinkered bats ok (guilty as charged) but blind no, it’s not paranoia, it’s propaganda, i am not sure who some of the posts/comments are directed at, as they are so far from the truth, only a blind/deaf/dumb bat would believe.

  • aquifer

    The police are deterring young rioters in nationalist areas from wasting their time with criminality, or with associating with violent separatists and ending up smelling each others farts for years at a stretch..

    Sounds like nationalist parents are getting a premium service in the new Northern Ireland..

  • ranger1640

    If this is an example of the gurning that republicans are doing, over what Sinn Fein described as antisocial elements and criminals.

    We need to steel ourselves for when the HET get round to investigate the provos. “OMG”!!!!

    As cpl Jones would say “They don’t like it up-em”!!!

  • tacapall

    Im just commenting on the actuall topic not trying to devert it somewhere else. Are you Mr Mc Crea ? Your posts are enlightening, without actually condemning the violence and non arrest of any individual involved in trying to murder or injure police officers you just point the finger at others and engage in whataboutery. Why not actually stick to the topic – The kowtowing of the PSNI to those extreme elements within loyalism who have always found cover within Unionism whenever they took matters into their own hands and engaged in violence to impose their will on the rest of society.

  • lamhdearg

    Tacapall
    stick ot the topic?, chris’s post’s are pure connolly house from the 80s, i could put on a counter, my uncle was murdered by irish nats, no enquiry, rosemary nelson was murdered by non irish nat, there is a enquiry, could i post this as proof of bias against non irish nats, well i could but i would expect someone to retort with a bit of whatabout or tell me my argument is flawed.

  • tacapall

    Lamhdearg you’re still engaging in diverting attention to the actuall topic which happened just a few weeks ago not the 80s. Im sorry about your uncle and a terrible wrong that should never have happened. The truth will emerge someday about the activities of all those who played a part in the past conflict. Hopefully you wont have to change your defination of who murdered, had a part or turned a blind eye in the murder of your uncle I would demand a fresh inquiry into every single murder that was investigated by the RUC.

  • lamhdearg

    tacapall
    i feel you are missing my point, some posts on here are statements, and thats all they are, the topic is a squde one they compare chalk and cheese there can be no debate on them, without pointing out (whatabout) the reverse. can someone spell “squde” as in “off line” for me?. as for my uncle,(one of two killed in the trouble’s, one from each side) my aunt’s want no enquirys no compensation, they know it was badness in mankind that killed them, and all side’s in the worlds conflicts have that.

  • tacapall

    lamhdearg im not missing any point in what your saying and of course the topic isn’t to your liking, your one of those law abiding protestants that when it comes to loyalist violence sees no evil, hears no evil, speaks no evil, who believes that the laws that govern our society dont apply to loyalism and extreme Unionism. Dont be fooled by the “badness in mankind” stuff, your uncles murders were planned and carried out by people who got orders from others and some of those were controlled by those who were supposed to uphold the law or do everything possible to ensure the safety and lives of everyone in society.

  • lamhdearg

    “and of course the topic isn’t to your liking,” So maybe when chris/sorry anyone posts a statement, me and all others, that to whom the “isn’t to my liking” fits, should not comment at all?.
    “loyalist violence sees no evil, hears no evil, speaks no evil,” wind your neck in.

    “your uncles murders were planned and carried out by people who got orders from others”
    yes and the one whose name is on a wall up the falls, was set up by beardy. the other was just done in butcher style by unknown republicans, some of whom are not with us.
    “law abiding protestants” i am more of a shite muslim in that as i drink and eat pork,im not very good at it, and law abiding,recently, yes.

  • lamhdearg

    whats your story.

  • lamhdearg

    “Juarez is Mexico’s most violent city, with more than 3,000 murders in 2010”
    putting it into prespective

  • CharlieMcCarthy29

    lamhdearg,

    Sorry but I doubted your figure for murders. I checked it out with Amnesty and you are quite correct. It’s hardly believable. I shudder at the thought.

  • Reader

    lamhdearg: can someone spell “squde” as in “off line” for me?.
    Skewed.

  • Clanky

    Ballyclare has loyalist flags flying in july, the prods made a special effort to put some extra flags outside the chapel, in other news the pope wears a funny hat and bears s**t in the woods.

    ffs Chris, lets all stop looking for reasons to take offence, you sound like a little kid at school complaining because johnny wilson didn’t get the cane when HE kissed maggie o’neill behind the bike shed.

  • lamhdearg

    Thank you, Reader.

  • Belfast_Citizen

    I think you should go to Ardoyne and count any flags there too. Then you could start a ‘Ballyclare/Ardoyne Flag Watch, day 1’ , with daily updates.

    It would be unfair to be picking on Ballyclare otherwise 🙂

  • vanhelsing

    This is insane – I thought the ‘Ballyclare update day 18’ was ridiculous. Honestly Donnelly you’re better than this [although I wholeheartedly disagree with you on everything]!

    I see however it has encouraged FordP:

    “Chris, keep it up! You’re exposing the so called “parity of esteem” crap for what it is! When it comes to rioting, arrests and charges, it goes out the window.”

    Really..:)

  • aquifer

    If you break the law, there is parity of esteem if the case gets in front of the courts.

    However the cops cannot guarantee to be everpresent everywhere, except in a icommunist stasi state perhaps. Maybe SF have a few old designs?

    So if you engage in criminal acts, it is tough luck.

    Get over it.

    The balance of uncertainty is generally the other way. Crims generally have the advantages of secrecy surprise or anoynymity, so it is quite refreshing to have a few scooped up. I might prefer to have some loyalists interned for their stupidity, but being stupid is not a criminal offence, so we will have to wait until they get as prolific at rioting as the nationalists.

  • tacapall

    “The balance of uncertainty is generally the other way. Crims generally have the advantages of secrecy surprise or anoynymity, so it is quite refreshing to have a few scooped up. I might prefer to have some loyalists interned for their stupidity, but being stupid is not a criminal offence, so we will have to wait until they get as prolific at rioting as the nationalists”.

    Now thats a good one do you believe the PSNI and British intelligence have abondoned their centuries old tactic of using agent provocateurs and informers whenever they wish to play politics with other peoples lives. The absence of arrests in Ballyclare suggests either the situation was enacted for reasons only known to the British or they made an agreement with Unionist politicians who have previously shared platforms with loyalist terrorists that those involved in attempting to murder PSNI officers, would not be arrested nor charges be made against anyone involved in the roiting.

    Can anyone give a valid and logical reason how no arrests have been made in the PSNI’s investigation into the attempted murder of six PSNI officers and the injury to PSNI officers and distruction of property that ensued after PSNI officers removed illegal loyalist flags form outside a catholic church.

  • antamadan

    I find this post very useful, and don’t really consider the coments a la ‘look at all the flags in ardoyne’ comparable. The fact that UDA UVF and UK flags are put up on poles together., and then offence is taken when they are taken down outside an RC church is -at the very least- very bad treatement of the gael minority left in Ballyclare. If I was a unionist, I would object strongly to the flag posters, rather than defend and petition the police. It seems like a unionist own-goal to me. What do moderate unionists think?

  • lamhdearg

    “Can anyone give a valid and logical reason how no arrests have been made in the PSNI’s investigation into the attempted murder of six PSNI officers and the injury to PSNI officers and distruction of property that ensued after PSNI officers removed illegal loyalist flags form outside a catholic church”.
    “The absence of arrests in Ballyclare suggests either the situation was enacted for reasons only known to the British or they made an agreement with Unionist politicians ”

    That is not logical.

    if the psni make arrests will the conspiracy in the minds of some, go away, will the “some” come on here and say i was wrong, or will they note some other differance ie, but in ballyclare the loyalists where only held of 24 hours and wee jimmy from ardoyne was held for 25 hours before he spilled the beans on him self, will this then be held up as proof of mi5 pro loyalist leaning, or will they just move on to some other grand conspiracy.
    There are 1000s of unsolved troubles related murders in n.i. the majority of them commited by irish nationlists, surely this is proof that the irish gov the c.i.a. the k.g.b. and the taliban where all working hand in hand with the pope to cover the murders up. Whatabout that.

  • ranger1640

    Tocapall, there you go again making statements as if they are fact. Can you substantiate “Now thats a good one do you believe the PSNI and British intelligence have abondoned their centuries old tactic of using agent provocateurs and informers whenever they wish to play politics with other peoples lives”!

    Tocapall, again with paranoia, can give factual evidence of this. Or is this just more ramblings form the paranoid republican. “The absence of arrests in Ballyclare suggests either the situation was enacted for reasons only known to the British or they made an agreement with Unionist politicians who have previously shared platforms with loyalist terrorists that those involved in attempting to murder PSNI officers, would not be arrested nor charges be made against anyone involved in the roiting”.

    More Toacpall paranoia,
    “Can anyone give a valid and logical reason how no arrests have been made in the PSNI’s investigation into the attempted murder of six PSNI officers and the injury to PSNI officers and distruction of property that ensued after PSNI officers removed illegal loyalist flags form outside a catholic church”.

    I can give the paranoid republican, a logical reason why the republican rioters who attempted to murder 100’s of police at Ardoyne this year are being arrested. Firstly, they are not that clever and are again being used by republicans politicos for political purposes, and are pawns in a seedy turf war, nothing ever changes in Ardoyne.

    There were 5 water cannons deployed at the annual republican riots and attempted murder of Loyal Order members and police at Ardoyne this year again. Unknown to the thick republican rioter the water cannon, are command and control centres and each vehicle is fitted with 2 CAMERAS.

    For the slow and the republican paranoid on here. 5 water cannons equates to 10 cameras taking footage of the crowd and soon to be rioters. Add to this the cameras mounted at the roundabout, on PSNI land-rovers and the footage taken by media outlets and there are thousands of minutes of the coverage of the pre riot events and the riot and rioters. So given all this evidence is it any wonder the cannon fodder from Ardoyne, the Ardoyne rioter, is always in the dock.

    The above just more proof, just like Chris’ last 2 posts on this topic.That republicans are racked with paranoia. Paranoia of the police, the state and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.

    This paranoia is from the top down, not as one would expect form the bottom up. McGuinness, comes out to defend alleged dissidents, people he called traitors. Then Kelly comes out and defends rioters, the same rioters he called criminals and antisocial elements in Ardoyne!!!

    The only conclusion that one can come to is that the alleged confident republican movement is riddled with paranoia and self doubt!!!

    Watch out you republican bhoys, the British boggy man is still below your bed!!!!

  • ranger1640

    Tocapall, there you go again making statements as if they are fact. Can you substantiate you ramblings “Now thats a good one do you believe the PSNI and British intelligence have abondoned their centuries old tactic of using agent provocateurs and informers whenever they wish to play politics with other peoples lives”!

    Tocapall, again with paranoia, can give factual evidence of this. Or is this just more ramblings form the paranoid republican. “The absence of arrests in Ballyclare suggests either the situation was enacted for reasons only known to the British or they made an agreement with Unionist politicians who have previously shared platforms with loyalist terrorists that those involved in attempting to murder PSNI officers, would not be arrested nor charges be made against anyone involved in the roiting”.

    More Toacpall paranoia,
    “Can anyone give a valid and logical reason how no arrests have been made in the PSNI’s investigation into the attempted murder of six PSNI officers and the injury to PSNI officers and distruction of property that ensued after PSNI officers removed illegal loyalist flags form outside a catholic church”.

    I can give the paranoid republican, a logical reason why the republican rioters who attempted to murder Loyal Order members and 100’s of police at Ardoyne this year are being arrested. Firstly, they are not that clever and are again being used by republicans politicos for political purposes, and are being pawns in a seedy turf war between differing republican factions, nothing ever changes in Ardoyne!!!

    Here we go, on the 12th July at Ardoyne there were 5 water cannons deployed at the annual republican riots and attempted murder of Loyal Order members and police at Ardoyne this year again. The republican Ardoyne rioter was probably not told this by their comrades before they were sent out. The water cannons, are command and control centres and each vehicle is fitted with 2 CAMERAS.

    For the slow and the republican paranoid here. 5 water cannons equates to 10 cameras taking footage of the crowd and soon to be rioters. Add to this the cameras mounted at the roundabout, on PSNI land-rovers and the footage taken by media outlets and there is thousands of minutes of coverage of the pre riot events and rioters. So given all this evidence is it any wonder the cannon fodder from Ardoyne, the Ardoyne rioter, is always in the dock!!!

    The above just more proof, just like Chris’ last 2 posts on this topic.That republicans are racked with paranoia and self doubt. Paranoia of the police, the state and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.

    This paranoia is from the top down, not as one would expect form the bottom up. McGuinness, comes out to defend alleged dissidents, people he called traitors. Then Kelly comes out and defend rioters, the same rioters he called criminals and antisocial elements in Ardoyne!!!

    The only conclusion that one can come to, is the alleged confident republican movement is still riddled with paranoia and self doubt!!!

    Watch out you republican bhoys, the British boggy man is still below your bed!!!! Keep taking the Prozac, bhoys, your condition will probably not get any better for at lest another 800 years!!!!

  • tacapall

    Ranger why dont you look back at my past posts and you will find that I dont give a fk who runs this country as long as everyone is treated equally and I dont have to fork out money for some billionaire parasites who own castles. I dont support Sinn Fein or any political party nor do I even register to vote, but unlike your blinkered and bigotted viewpoint I see all people who break the law regardless of religion or political viewpoint as neanderthals, you know like those loyalists who wear those turquoise shellsuits with the gold jewelry dripping off them and the fingers laden with krugerrand rings to protect their knuckles from scrapping the ground when their walking. By the way do the PSNI not have any UDA/UVF informers up in Ballyclare or are all the PSNI officers blind, does their video recording equipment on their landrovers not work, do you have to have a water canon present at a riot before a decision to arrest is made. If they didn’t know who was involved then why didn’t they just follow the Rev Mc Crea sure wasn’t he their spokesman, surely he had meetings with them to agree a formula of words which would force the PSNI to backtrack and allow the savages to get on with their buisness of intimidating the local catholic community. Once again you’ve avoided the issue of condemning the loyalist violence and non arrest of those who tried to murder PSNI officers and done the only thing you’ve always done, point the finger elsewhere and engaged in childish comments in the vain hope that somehow I would be offended, far from it I agree totally about the stupidy of the canonfodder but unlike you I know it applies to all those puppets, Republican and Loyalist who are controlled by armchair generals who are more interested in money and self preservation than country.

  • ranger1640

    Tacapall, this is the second time in this topic, I have requested you to substantiate your rants and again you have refused. Instead you continue to post rants and continue to make unsubstantiated rants.

    Given your rants above and your inability to substantiate your rantings, I can only draw the conclusion that tacapall you are a troll.

  • CharlieMcCarthy29
  • CharlieMcCarthy29

    If I were to draw up a list of ways to enjoy myself, going to a village to count flags wouldn’t be on it. But neither would spending time to craft or deliver an unnecessary craven apology to wind-up merchants.
    To each his own, I guess.

  • tacapall

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/local/police_review_flag_policy_after_riots_1_2853187

    “After meeting community representatives in Ballyclare yesterday, assistant chief constable Alistair Finlay condemned the violence but said sorry to anyone who “felt that they have not received the police service that we strive to deliver”.

    As the clean-up operation began yesterday, loyalist leaders and unionist politicians met with Mr Finlay in an effort to quell the tensions.

    In a statement released after the meeting, Mr Finlay confirmed he would be reviewing the police’s role.

    “Community representatives expressed strong concerns about how the removal of a limited number of flags had been handled by the police. I offered my sincere apologies to those people who felt that they have not received the police service that we strive to deliver,” said Mr Finlay

    The PUP’s Ken Wilkinson said the meeting had been “frank and positive” and welcomed ACC Finlay’s promise to launch an inquiry into why the flags had been taken down.

    “This was a good meeting, and I think it is important that it has been made clear that this violence would not have taken place if the flags had not been removed,” he said.

    It’s understood that a number of UVF members were involved in the violence and the subsequent clashes in Newtownabbey and Carrickfergus.

    At the height of the clashes on Saturday night in Ballyclare – which are also believed to have included elements from the UVF – rioters hijacked a bus which was rammed into a police vehicle.

    Police used a water cannon and baton rounds in an effort to control the 100-strong loyalist mob, who threw petrol bombs and other missiles at the PSNI in the Grange estate and Doagh Road areas.

    The trouble flared shortly before midnight after local residents took to the streets in protest over a decision by police to remove flags which they claimed were illegal”

    Note the meeting between representives of the PSNI, PUP/UVF, Unionist politicians and community representatives also note elements of the UVF were believed to be involved in the violence and the attempted murder of six PSNI officers.

    No arrests and no charges so far ! Well I think we can all presume the reasoning behind that.

  • AntrimObserver

    And the Ardoyne-related arrests just keep on coming…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14381874

    You can bet your house on it that this guy is a nationalist.

    But STILL no arrests or charges for the Ballyclare.

    Probably one of the most blatant exercises in biased policing ever.

  • Local hack

    Police have made four arrests in connection to the rioting in Ballyclare – it appears the arrests are in connection with the car hijackings during the disturbance.
    Police have basically said this is not the end of the investigation.

    Cue – “only four arrests” !!!