Marion Price sentenced to permanent prison isolation – no trial or reason required

After being released on bail Marion Price was immediately rearrested and returned to gaol when a British Secretary of State decided to revoke her licence – this despite her having been granted the royal prerogative of mercy from her original sentence.

While Marion has committed no transgression since her detention by the British Government she will now be held in permanent isolation in Magheraberry – a male only prison. A prison under the control of a Minister endorsed by SF, among others, just days ago.

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  • Alf

    Mark,

    Could that have anything to do with the fact that she has stated that she would refuse to be housed with the female prisoners in Rathgael? She would claim not to be a criminal you see. How long before the hunger strike?

  • aquifer

    So she broke the equivalent of parole conditions.

    Her choice.

    But the victims of Irish separatist violence don’t get choice. Where is the justice in that?

  • Joe Bloggs

    If only it hadn’t been so windy…….

  • Cynic2

    If you do the crime ……….

  • Lionel Hutz

    Its a horrible law that allows someone to be arrested for holding up a sheet of paper at a rally.

  • Cynic2

    MArk

    I could see you spitting it out there – almost like Adams in the Old days ….a BRITISH Secretary of State

    She was proper;y detained because her licence to be out was revoked, apparently because f her conduct. Whoops.

    Still in the good old days in the 1970s and 1980s the SF Leadership would have had a different solution for any Dissidents. Anyway, in today’s more civilised times she can always ask her old comrade Gerry Kelly to intervene – he’s on the Policing Board to which PSNI who charged her is accountable. So she’s sure to get out

  • Cynic2

    “Its a horrible law that allows someone to be arrested for holding up a sheet of paper at a rally.”

    Its a horrible thing to stand at a rally holding a speech for a masked man who is promising to kill fellow citizens.

  • sdelaneys

    Alf,

    Are you suggesting that the authorities bowed down to her stipulation as to where she would be held?

  • Alf

    “Its a horrible law that allows someone to be arrested for holding up a sheet of paper at a rally.”

    Lionel,

    Yeah, but they bailed her for that. She is in prison for bombing civilians in London.

  • Alf

    “Alf,

    Are you suggesting that the authorities bowed down to her stipulation as to where she would be held?”

    sdelayneys,

    What other reason can there possibly be? If she goes on hunger strike she’ll be released in no time.

  • Michael Shilliday

    The Belfast Agreement release scheme did not wipe the slate clean. People who have criminal records for terrorist offenses remain at the mercy of their licence – they were released on licence not given a pardon. The conditions of that licence state that if the SoS thinks a person should be returned to prison, they do so for the crime they were originally locked up for.

    Marion Price was given a free and fair trial at which she was convicted beyond reasonable doubt of a bombing campaign. It is those crimes for which she is now incarcerated. It’s not internment, it’s crime and punishment.

  • Pete Baker

    “Anyway, in today’s more civilised times she can always ask her old comrade Gerry Kelly to intervene – he’s on the Policing Board to which PSNI who charged her is accountable. So she’s sure to get out.”

    Yet Sinn Féin chose to put out their “comment” criticising the revoking of her licence, it’s “completely unacceptable” apparently, in the name of deputy Chair of the Assembly’s Justice Committee, Raymond McCartney MLA.

    Not that it’s the Northern Ireland Justice Minister’s call…

  • Mark McGregor

    There’s a terrible temptation to barrack room on this but as the royal perogative removes “pains, penalties and punishments” connected to an offence – how does licence come into this?

  • Mark McGregor

    That is all a side matter to her current problem of detention in a prison for one – surely a human rights violation?

  • REPUBLICAN NETWORK for UNITY (RNU) spokesperson, Martin Óg Meehan has strongly criticised the charging of three Irish citizens including Veteran Republican, Marion Price as an attempt to criminalise the voice of radical republicanism.

    Mr. Meehan said; “These ridiculous charges against Ms. Price and two members of Republican Sinn Fein are a travesty of justice and designed to limit the growth of radical republicanism in British occupied Ireland. The blatant use of Political Policing, Special Legislation and Non-Jury Courts will not achieve the end of progressive political activities. On the contary, they will breed further resistance”.

    The RNU Ard Chomhairle member concluded; “We call on those genuinely interested in free speech against oppression and imperialism to rally behind the Irish Republican message and expose the British denial of the Irish people’s right to national self-determination”.

  • Lionel Hutz

    “Its a horrible thing to stand at a rally holding a speech for a masked man who is promising to kill fellow citizens.”

    True, but it shouldn’t be a crime

  • sdelaneys

    Alf;

    Could she not just tell them to let her go, then, if that is the case? They have been preparing Glen house for weeks now and I imagine it goes beyond one woman. A second woman was arrested on a similar charge but released on bail. Maybe we are getting a hint of the futue in our ‘new, clean, equal’ society.

  • Pete Baker

    Mark

    “but as the royal perogative removes “pains, penalties and punishments” connected to an offence – how does licence come into this?”

    Perhaps, as wikipedia notes on Judicial Royal Prerogatives

    Exercises of this power may also take the form of commutations, a limited form of pardon where the sentences is reduced, on certain conditions. [added emphasis]

  • Mark McGregor

    Pete,

    It’s going to make for an very interesting review – there needs to be proof of ‘conditions’ and them being breached or she is now illegally detained in pretty questionable conditions. The questionable conditions remain regardless – isolation with no grounds for imposition and/or likelihood of change.

  • keepcalmanddrinkmorewine

    Licence revoked. Leopard and spots? It’s not a freedom of speech thing. Let’s be clear. If one professes acts of terorrism – and you’ve already been released on licence for terrorist offences – it’s something of a no brainer that you’ll be taken into custody again. It’s just how it works. Or perhaps we should give axe murderers an axe on leaving jail and tell them to follow their heart. Or let rapists out and let them rape? Surely not…

  • Pete Baker

    Mark

    Perhaps. It may be implicit in the original terms of the Royal Prerogative.

    But any review is unlikely to be completed before the end of Queen Elizabeth II’s visit.

    Still, there’s always Barack Obama to protest against…

  • Alf

    “Alf;

    “Could she not just tell them to let her go, then, if that is the case? They have been preparing Glen house for weeks now and I imagine it goes beyond one woman. A second woman was arrested on a similar charge but released on bail. Maybe we are getting a hint of the futue in our ‘new, clean, equal’ society.”

    sdelaney,

    No doubt she will be released in short order. Probably after Her Majesty departs the ROI.

  • Im looking forward to the Hunger Strike AND the White Line Protest.
    I love a good White Line protest.
    Some good street theatre and a photo opportunity bonus for those booking on the Belfast Bus tours.

  • sdelaneys

    If I were a unionist I’d be getting very worried that a 57 year old, severely arthritic woman, is such a threat to the state that she has to be held in isolation in an all male prison; If I were a shinner I’d be worried about how to explain why a British Secretary of State can send a local woman to prison after all SF’s crowing about the devolution of police and justice powers. The same old hand rules.

  • AGlassOfHine

    Those dispicable Brits !! Imagine locking up a convicted bomber ?? I mean to say,what will they think off next ??

    I’m on a hungry strike until this convicted bomber is released !!!

  • Alf

    “If I were a unionist I’d be getting very worried that a 57 year old, severely arthritic woman, is such a threat to the state that she has to be held in isolation in an all male prison”

    sdelaney,

    Er, why?

  • keepcalmanddrinkmorewine

    Never met Alf – but expect he talks some measure of sense? I guess this is the sort of thing diametrically opposed people don’t agree on. It’s just if one begins to argue with the legal position you get into diffs. Raymond McCartney would no doubt now argue that ultimately the quality of British justice is unimpeachable given the Supreme Court judgment in his favour at the weekend. Parliament legislates – and the judiciary interpret the law. Sometimes you’re the pigeon, and sometimes you’re the statue. It evens out. If you break the law, shit happens.

  • sdelaneys

    Alf;
    Because if a 57 year old arthritic woman could throw the ‘security services’ into such a tizzy that she needed to be arrested and then held in an all male prison in isolation , then they must be a piss poor ‘security service’ .You see, Alf, if they are so afraid of Marian Price that tells us more about them than her. Didn’t a cop say she could pose a threat to the English queen? Would any of that really give you confidence if you were,or are, a Unionist?

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    I thought you may have been a bit more mature over prison protests, where they can end and dealing with this instance as more than ‘yah-boo-sucks’.

  • Crubeen

    Pete,
    I also looked at the Wikipedia article and it states that convictions are unaltered by exercise of the Royal Prerogative. Hence she, her sister and Gerry Kelly remain convicted of crimes for which they were sentenced to life imprisonment and released on licence to be of good behaviour.

    She was released on the Royal Prerogative because of anorexia nervosa.- the sentence was commuted not removed. Theoretically she could have been recalled once the anorexia was cured.

    ArdEoin,

    The Irish have exercised their right to self-determination. They did it in 1922 when the majority throughout the island voted to accept the Treaty. They did it countless times after that up to and including the votes on the GFA.

    When is this going to penetrate the consciousness of militant republicanism, which bears all the signs of being less a political movement than a religion with theocratic pretensions and defines non-believers as touts, traitors, subverters of the Holy Cause and all other sorts of very nasty people? Religion is both irrational and illogical … and so is militant republicanism.

  • Cynic2

    “True, but it shouldn’t be a crime”

    …thats your view> parliament decided differently. Thats democracy

  • keepcalmanddrinkmorewine

    Mmm. Stephen Hawking’s in a wheel chair and can’t form words without electronic assistance but I’d back him for a world overthrow.. it’s not necessarily ability Baby, it’s who you know…

  • Cynic2

    Lets rejoice that she recovered enough to go back inside then. She looked far from thin holding that speech for the gulpeen who was reading it

  • odoc87

    I realise I am engaging in whataboutery but I seem to remember Torrens knight, Johnny Adair etc. convicted of some serious offences without their full prison terms reinstated. I’m not claiming double standards but freedom of speech is essential, never mind how abhorrent the views expressed. By exposing these views to the mainstream we can argue against it effectively and satirise it so that it can’t be taken seriously (BNP ). It’s a more effective strategy than violence!

  • Alf

    “Alf;
    Because if a 57 year old arthritic woman could throw the ‘security services’ into such a tizzy that she needed to be arrested and then held in an all male prison in isolation , then they must be a piss poor ‘security service’ .You see, Alf, if they are so afraid of Marian Price that tells us more about them than her. Didn’t a cop say she could pose a threat to the English queen? Would any of that really give you confidence if you were,or are, a Unionist?”

    sdelaney.

    I don’t think that you will find may unionists who have absolute confidence in the PSNI.

    She is an all male prison because that is where she chose to be. Mainly becvause of her maniac views of the world.

  • Alf

    odoc87,

    I think you will find that Knight is now serving his full term as is one of his co-conspirators.

  • sdelaneys

    Alf;
    So you do believe she is able by force of her will power to decide where she will be held? I find that hard to believe and while it may be that she might prefer Maghaberry to Hydebank do you really think it was case of ,’I want to go to Maghaberry’, ‘OK, fine, anything else?’ I still see a lot more to this than the arrest and holding of one woman but only time will tell.
    Why was Glen house cleared out over the past 6 or 7 weeks leaving it available for a women or for women?

  • Alf

    “Alf;
    So you do believe she is able by force of her will power to decide where she will be held? I find that hard to believe and while it may be that she might prefer Maghaberry to Hydebank do you really think it was case of ,’I want to go to Maghaberry’, ‘OK, fine, anything else?’ I still see a lot more to this than the arrest and holding of one woman but only time will tell.
    Why was Glen house cleared out over the past 6 or 7 weeks leaving it available for a women or for women?”

    sdelaney,

    I think that it is highly likely that the prison service predicted that she would shite and piss all over her cell and then start starving herself if she did not get her way.

  • odoc87

    alf,

    Didn’t fact check -thanks for the correction, however the point I was trying to make was about the level of free speech that should be tolerated in a functioning democracy.

  • keepcalmanddrinkmorewine

    I know its late but let’s throw this into the room. Recalling my Irish history – and in tandem with this thread and the Queen’s visit. We talk of history. And oppression. And all the ‘700 years/ 1916 thing’. Fair enough. It’s grim and all that. But there are a few things we don’t talk about. Like the execution of 77 ‘patriots’ by the ‘Free State’. Cosgrave, Mulcahy and O’Higgins sanctioned that. How are we planning on (a) bringing that up and (b) dealing with it going forward? I’m not a nationalist, but if that had been done to my people by a country that feel an affiliation for I’d want to have some answers. In case they do it again…

  • joeCanuck

    Seems a bit harsh unless the SOS knows something else.
    But it cannot be denied that she was a foolish woman to put herself at risk.

  • sdelaneys

    Alf;
    You’re letting the mask slip a bit there and the fact that a 57 year old woman can , according to you, command the justice system on the question as to where she will be held must be festering in you. So much fear of one frail woman, I wouldn’t have believed it untill you startted the ‘would shite and piss ‘ talk. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

  • Lionel Hutz

    …thats your view> parliament decided differently. Thats democracy
    ————————

    Ofcourse its my view. Its a very bad law enacted by a security crazed government in a post 9/11 world that wanted to to jail mad islamic extremists who they couldn’t pin any crimes on. We thought the laws enacted to combat Irish Militant Republicanism were bad, but the laws enacted to combat islamic extremism were simply absurd – not to mention counter-productive. Also, no SoS should be allowed to make decisions on sentences. Its a recipe for disaster.

    Congratulations to Patterson for giving this idiot some oxygen. The British political class simply don’t get it. After decades dealing with the same problems, they still dont have a clue.

  • joeCanuck

    But she started it with her foolishness.

  • odoc87

    Are we so insecure in our own views that we would prefer to make martyrs of people like price rather than face her head on in debate or satire and turn her into a crackpot? its crazy to go to prison over speech censorship laws.

  • sdelaneys

    odoc87 ‘Are we so insecure in our own views that we would prefer to make martyrs of people like price rather than face her head on in debate or satire and turn her into a crackpot? its crazy to go to prison over speech censorship laws.’

    But you are expecting sense to emerge from our mad house. I wonder how many new recruits will the arrest and detention of Marian gain for some of the IRAs.

  • Lionel Hutz

    exactly odoc87,

    There must be a significant debate about how we tackle the dissident threat. At a political level, there is a state of pretending that it isn’t really all that significant whilst at a policing level, people are being stop-searched, arrested, questioned in the SCU etc whilst SF give this pretend support for the likes of McGeogh and now Price. This is not washing with those communities.

    I don’t pretend to have the answer – its a very difficult one but actions like this are certainly counter-productive

  • Crubeen

    Reference has been made to Torrens Knight.

    http://www.bailii.org/nie/cases/NIHC/QB/2010/30.html

    The above link shows that the Ms Price has access to a review procedure in respect of her recall to prison.

  • odoc87

    sdelaneys
    – i think more people are likely to act rationally when you can expose the violent viewpoints as anti the aims of natiolism. it requires robust debate within nationalism. however it is as lionel Hutz said ,counterproductive to create a hostile population through extreme security measures.(also pretty expensive)

  • Driftwood

    The John Demdanjuk of local politics, he got 5 years, effectively a life sentence. The same for this cow.
    They both have the same outlook and history, so do many others who wish to distance themselves from any ‘Nuremberg’.

  • Driftwood

    *John Demjanjuk * To give Marion her due regard. She was only ‘doing her duty’ etc. Torrens and her (and Colin Powell) would do well to reflect on how religion poisons everything.

  • greenbeer

    What kind of justice system do you have in NI????

  • Cynic2

    Greenbeer

    A very effective one. She was out on licence. She broke the terms of that by promoting violence. She goes back to serve the sentence for her crimes.

    What exactly is your concern?

  • Cynic2

    “Its a very bad law enacted by a security crazed government”

    Again, that’s your view not a majority one, perhaps. So go lobby Parliament. They passed it, not the Government

  • I concur with Cynic2

    If the Secretary of State had not revoked her licence, he would have been failing in his duty to protect people.

  • granni trixie

    This is not a freedom of speech isssue. What some people here seem to want to do is have one rule of law for Marion Price et al and the rest of us. Should I thieve from a shop I would probably get off with a fine or probation but if I continutally do so I would go to jail.

    A return to ‘normality’ in NI means that if you appear in public supporting men and women in balaclavas and if you are out on licence you go to jail. A repeart offender. The same should apply to those who got out of jail as part of the GFA.

  • Skinner

    It degrades Slugger to have Mark McGregor write blogs that are clearly inaccurate and propagandise matters such as these. The title “Marion Price sentenced to permanent prison isolation – no trial or reason required” is just plain wrong and I’m glad posters have taken the time to provide some perspective.

    It’s an intereresting view that she shouldn’t be locked up again because it only fuels dissent. But if you take the decision not to lock her up to avoid fuelling dissent, aren’t you making a political decision, not following the due process of the law?

  • jimmacdonaldstash

    From what i believe Marion Price broke the conditions of her release,and in a very public way several years running.She knew what she was doing and can’t really have believed she would have got away with it.Any move like this is gonna upset her supports but sure they’re upset anyway so who cares. Maybe a few months in jail(if she’s lucky) will cool her down a bit and help her decide if going against the overwhelming will of the people of Ireland is really what she wants to be doing with her life.Or maybe Marion and her supports are to consumed with hate to make a balanced decision like that!

  • Neil

    It degrades Slugger to have Mark McGregor write blogs that are clearly inaccurate and propagandise matters such as these.

    Dear me, another strike for freedom of speech eh? Anyone that isn’t a happy little citizen should be silenced. Can you recall a point in history where that approach worked?

    The title “Marion Price sentenced to permanent prison isolation – no trial or reason required” is just plain wrong

    Actually it would seem to be fairly accurate. Deconstruct the sentence and you’ll see. The trial was clearly not necessary as stated, for the reason that she was granted bail by a judge then hailed off the chokey regardless. So the trial was a fairly unnecessary affair.

    And in any case the sentence states she is in prison isolation, no trial or reason necessary. When a prisoner is sent to isolation there would be no trial and it appears no reason is required, due to her current position.

    It’s an intereresting view that she shouldn’t be locked up again because it only fuels dissent. But if you take the decision not to lock her up to avoid fuelling dissent, aren’t you making a political decision, not following the due process of the law?

    Maybe, but then that’s not the first time that’s happened in this neck of the woods, that the greater good has been given a higher consideration than applying the law, and for considerably greater offences than what Marion is charged with. Especially given her own statement that she had no idea what was on the paper prior to being handed it. But then the words ‘greater good’ and the Tory brand never were bedfellows.

    The shinners are going to have to ask themselves a question now. This situation, the thought police cracking down on dissent, won’t sit well with many Republicans. I don’t agree with any further political violence here. Thank God it’s done. But this kind of over reaction will only bolster the ranks of the dissidents.

  • Skinner

    Neil

    “Actually it would seem to be fairly accurate. Deconstruct the sentence and you’ll see. The trial was clearly not necessary as stated, for the reason that she was granted bail by a judge then hailed off the chokey regardless. So the trial was a fairly unnecessary affair.”

    The trial in question is the one she received for bombing the shyte out of London and injuring 200 people, including a man who died of a heart attack. That is the trial, and subsequent conviction, which was ‘necesssary’ and forms the basis for her current incarceration. So contrary to McGregor’s blog, a trial was necessary and furthermore she clearly has ‘transgressed’, i.e the conditions of her release, to bring that sentence into play again. It is up to her lawyers to argue that she has not and in the meantime I’m quite happy that she is prevented from assisting anyone else to make death threats.

  • Padraigin Drinan

    Surely if a person is to have their liberty taken away, this is a legal matter for a court, not a political matter for the Secretary of State.
    When a person is released on licence justice requires that their liberty should not be removed without due process of law, no matter what any Secretary of State wants and for whatever reason.
    Surely we have a right to a fair trial by an independent judiciary, not the taking away of liberty at the whim of a person holding a political position.
    I understand that the European Court has ruled on this.

  • AGlassOfHine

    Should never have been released in the first place !!

  • Could the Secretary of State be committed to prison for contempt of court by the judge who granted bail?

  • Cynic2

    Padraigin

    If you are ‘the’ Padraigin then I assume you will remember the basic law on this. There are two processes at play here:

    1 she is charged with new offences. She applied for bail and got it

    2 as a separate issue she was tried convicted and sentenced for other matters. She was then released on licence. The Secretary of State has concluded she has broken the terms of her licence so has recalled her to prison. She has a right of appeal against that.

    So there is no breach of law, no breach of human rights, no requirement for a trial or judicial intervention. If she wants she can appeal. If that appears she can challenge the decision in court.

  • Light23

    Ah, I didn’t realise. Am I correct in saying she was released early under the GFA for her part in terrorist activities? And now this early release is being revoked and she’s going to be back in for a good wee while?

    That’s awesome! I thought she was going to get something for “supporting a terrorist organisation”, but it’s great to see her get screwed when she’s so blatantly flaunting the rules of her release.

  • First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

    What sort of historical memory do some of you people have. A good and courageous post Mark.

  • Padraigin Drinan

    Cynic 2

    I agree.There are two processes at play here.
    She was charged with an offence. Whatever one thinks about this charge she appeared before the Court and was granted bail. She has not been convicted of this charge.
    Secondly, many people are talking about the terms of her licence.
    It seems that people are commenting without any knowledge.
    They are saying terms have been breached when they do not, and cannot , know what those terms and conditions are.
    But aside from that there is in our law and in European law supposed to be a separation between law and state.
    It is not for the Secretary of State to make this decision.
    This is a matter for a body independent of the State.
    It is a fundamental principle that a person should not have his liberty removed without a fair trial. If her release is to be considered that is not a matter for a person in a political position.
    The basic Human Right of a fair trial is in play and this should never be removed with an impartial consideration of the position.

  • joeCanuck

    Doesn’t she have the right to apply for a Judicial Review?

  • jimmacdonaldstash

    As far as i can see Mickhall the only people coming for anybody is the dissidents.Was it not them that Marion Price was standing beside as they said”The GAA, Catholic church and constitutional nationalism will be unable to protect those who turn traitor, they are as liable for execution as anyone else regardless of their religion, cultural background or motivation” Now thats pretty clear to me who the aggressors are!

  • Jimmy Sands

    So would it be fair to say the concern is that the revocation of her licence may cause flat earth chuckies to be less well-disposed to the Brits? Perhaps it’s a risk they’re prepared to take.

  • Skinner

    Padraigin

    She already got a trial on the original offence. Are you saying that the decision to revoke a licence should not be made without another trial? I agree that the decision to revoke a licence should not be made by a politician because it runs contrary to the separation of powers doctrine. However I’m not sure we want a full trial in these situations either. As someone said above, there is a legal avenue open to Ms Price since I expect Owen Paterson’s decision could be subject to judicial review.

    Either way, the procedure being used here is the same as that for any prisoner. You may have a constitutional problem with it as I do but that does not mean Ms Price is being discriminated against because of her political leanings.

  • dwatch

    I would say she will be let out at the weekend or early next week after all the commemorations down south are over.

  • granni trixie

    Ms Drinan’s view is disappointing in that she appears to be unaware that she is taking up a ‘political’ interpretation of events herself. One does not need to know the legal details to take a moral not to say commonsense view that Marion Price knew the details of a license which I imaagine she knew she was breaking. She took the risk that in this new dispensation she could do what she liked.

    Friends of Ms Price would be better served to tell her to stay on the straight and narrow instead of encouraging her by defending the indefensible.

    Mickhall: not at all surprised at you – if anything you are consistent ina moral line based on an anaysis with which as usual, I disagree.

  • Pete Baker

    From the Northern Ireland Secretary of State’s statement

    The Secretary of State, Owen Paterson, has revoked the life licence of Marian McGlinchey after she was charged with offences under the Terrorism Act 2000 and following the recommendation of the Parole Commissioners that the risk of serious harm posed by Marian McGlinchey has increased significantly.

    Mr Paterson has used the powers conferred on him by Parliament in the Life Sentences (Northern Ireland) Order 2001.

    Mrs McGlinchey has the right to make representations to the Parole Commissioners which they will consider.

  • RyanAdams

    She knew the conditions of her release, and its about time someone was made an example of.

  • Reader

    Mickhall (quoting Martin Niemöller): First they came for the Communists
    Well, they haven’t even come for the Communists yet. But I don’t think Niemöller had anything to say about terrorists out on licence.

  • Reader – was going to make that very point – nicely put:)

  • Reader

    The whole history of the Provo insurgency in the 1970s is littered with politicians using the law as a political weapon instead of allowing the judicial process to take its course. far from putting the break on that insurgency it gave it legs, and made it doubly difficult to row back for those in that movement who believed the war was going no where.

    What Niemöller was highlighting was this type of nonsense (MP imprisonment) is a slippery slope which ends up gaining its own momentum.

    By the way, what better way could there be for the RIRA to gain publicity and recruits than to imprison without trial a woman like Marion. As the saying goes, for some folk there is no place so remote as the recent past.

  • streetlegal

    This arrest is consistent with the policy which has been applied to loyalists out on licence in the recent past. The significance of all this is that it again demonstrates that the real executive power within Northern Ireland remains in the hands of the Secretary of State. Neither the Stormont Assembly nor the Department of Justice has any role here.

  • Neil

    This arrest is consistent with the policy which has been applied to loyalists out on licence in the recent past.

    Care to cite an example? I can think of a couple of high profile Loyalists who got sent back, one for child abuse and the other for beating two sister in a drunken rage. Is that the equivalence you’re drawing? Child rape/abuse as an equivalent to reading from a piece of paper?

  • Padraigin Drinan

    Pete Baker – this is how The Secretary of State is acting.
    There is European Case Law which says that this is not a matter to be decided by a political person – it is a matter for a proper judicial process.
    Unfortunately on very many occasions the British Government appears to require a decision of the European Court before bringing its domestic legislation into compliance with its international obligations. It is a pity that they seem to be going along this road again.
    It seems to me that Marian Price does have a remedy. No doubt her solicitors will avail of it.
    Further, I am surprised that many of you are acting as if you are aware of the terms of her release. I do not believe that information has been in the public domain.

  • Skinner

    Padraigin

    What is the European case to which you refer?

  • Mark McGregor

    Interesting the amount of comment generated.

    Surprised that one aspect is largely ignored – regardless of the method used to deposit Ms. Price in gaol, she is now being held in almost permanently guaranteed solitary despite having not broken any prison rules.

    That surely is open to major legal challenge regardless of the rest being discussed above? And a possible indication of the liklihood of her currently receiving fair treatment in the British judicial system?

    How can it be right to place any prisoner in isolation without reason? Without an opportunity to challenge that decision and without expectation that sentence will ever be removed?

    A prison with one inmate – that’s something from Myanmar!

    Adds: Though I’m told this is esentially being seen as de facto granting of political status by some close to Ms. Price and possibly by her.

  • Alf

    Mark,

    As I said at the start. The option of going to Rathgael with the other female criminals is entirely open to her if she wants it. She is the one who stated that she would not. The prison authorities are simply being pragmatic and saving themselves a lot of Jeyes Fluid.

  • If Ms Price is too proud to slum it with the rest of the lifers she must make do with what’s left. Look on the bright side she can take this opportunity to reread the terms of her licence.

  • Mark McGregor

    This idea from those that oppose everything that Ms. Price has ever stood for that her sole right is to define the prison system she is detained under is intriguing.

    At least it’s not just republicans arguing for special status now – seems there is a broad acceptance that Marion is no ordinary ‘criminal’ and will receive highly individualised treatment.

    These totally unique ways of dealing with her will surely be examined when it comes to the final judgement on if she has received anything approaching justice.

  • vanhelsing

    Neil,

    I believe she was charged with,

    ” encouraging support for an illegal organisation”, following a dissident republican rally in Derry on Easter Sunday. They murder people.

    My favourite bit of this whole episode is her defence, wait for it…..

    “Her lawyer said that she had been asked to hold it because it was a windy day and that she had no idea what the speech contained”

    Priceless:)

  • Alf

    Mark,

    I wouldn’t read too much into the pragmatism being displayed by the prison service. The law decrees that she be locked up. Common sense decrees that her excuses for causing trouble should be diminished as far as possible.

    She can call herself a POW or fantasise about being in the same league as the chaps in Colditz etc. In reality she is just another criminal who has been clocked as being liable to cause trouble in prison. Just like the fat ‘Little Britain’ lookalike bloke in that Strangeways documentary the other night.

  • Alf

    Anyone wondering about how republicans behave on their prison protests should watch this documentary about Strangeways Prison for an insight into how their actions are viewed.

  • Mark McGregor

    ‘Alf’,

    In whatever guise you reappear the one thing you need to learn is your ‘other place’ fuckwittery isn’t going to get any time with us adults.

    Time to grow up? – and it wasn’t me that gave you the ban!