There was a young woman from….

An idyllic island reliant on tourism from across the world but with a population increasingly impoverished. A young woman just starting out on life with a new partner brutally murdered for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Breda Waters & Des Kelly’s murders aren’t getting much coverage – they were from Limerick and not related to anyone of note. Limerick has been heading murder statistics for a long time and when they happen now they rarely receive much media focus.

Politics.ie has also noted this.

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  • Cynic2

    Not rich, not famous, not in the news. Sad but true.

    Just like many victims of terrorism in NI were barely mentioned on National News in the UK or Ireland unless there was some hook on which to hang the coverage

  • pippakin

    There is a serious problem in part of Limerick and some other places here. I’m not sure how the authorities can deal with the matter. Unlike the FEDs and Al Capone these murderers are unlikely to be caught for tax evasion.

  • Mark McGregor

    pippakin,

    Dare I suggest if the Irish media put similar effort into all murders of young women as they have done with one, maybe they’d be catching the killers on our shores?

  • Drumlins Rock

    Only a few miles away from the Hart family home a young man was murdered on Wednesday, it got a footnote on the news and I guess will get less than 1/20th the coverage in local papers too, I know that how well we “know” the victim and their families will have a massive bearing on the coverage and interest we take in these issues, but it has made me wonder about the family and friends of this young man back in Lithuania, will the press there be following his journey home? will the court case (if one ever happens) be covered in minute detail, I doubt it and don’t think it would really help those who mourn his loss, but I think his death deserves a bit more attention than what its got to date…

  • pippakin

    Mark McGregor

    Of course you can but if you did you would be wrong, these murders are not unsolved because of a lack of publicity. Publicity has a place when the murderers are unknown. I think the police know who committed these murders. Its about proof, those who know are not talking and short of some sort of drastic action they are not going to.

  • redhugh78

    I can see the point your making Mark but I find the thread in bad taste to be honest.

  • pippakin

    redhugh

    No, its not in poor taste Mr Harte himself mentioned the number of others who know only too well the pain he and his family are going through. If publicity from one murder could lead to the solving of another it would be worth it.

  • John Ó Néill

    Hmmmm. Fair enough, you are kind of making valid points but I’ve yet to see anyone suggest any of the cases are any less tragic than each other (and you’re a bit selective in picking a thread reflecting the general sentiment on p.ie, Mark). But … you are sounding like the bore in the pub that everyone desparately wants to avoid being stuck with. There’s a time and a place, you know, and you could have at least let the poor girl be buried first.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Indeed.
    I recall a young woman who was fatally injured in a car crash in France in 1997. She had apparently been married to someone quite famous and it is still newsworthy in the Daily Express 14 years later.
    News values…. I suppose.

  • Mark

    Not your finest hour Mark .

  • Cynic2

    Its not an attack on the Harte’s for Heavens sake and heaven help them with what they are going through.

    But it is a valid point about the media and how they create celebrity even in death and in the most ghoulish ways. I looked at the Bel Tel on Thursday and it had about 6 pages of Polly Filla pieces on poor Micheala;’s murder.

  • Mark

    I know Mark is a nice guy and didn’t mean any harm . For anyone who knew the family , the emotion is still very raw . The was a letter in the evening herald fron one of her students which was very moving . People are very sensitive at times when something so tragic happens to one of their own .

    Re your point Cynic2 , look at the Joanne Yeats in the UK . Sky think they solved the case because of an interview ( 10 seconds ) with her landlord and ran the story top of the hour for 3/4 days .

  • pippakin

    Mark

    The need for publicity is valid. The Yeates case is a better example than the Limerick murders of the need for ongoing publicity in such cases.

  • YelloSmurf

    I suppose it’s just news values again. Look at the floods that are going on right around the world now. The people of Brazil and Sri Lanka appear to be in a much worse state than Australia (as dreadful as the situation in Australia is) but no one is talking about Brazil and Sri Lanka. I’m not the sort of person who sees dreadful conspiracies everywhere (not even conspiracies of silence), but it is hard to see what reasons there could be for this silence except that the people of Sri Lanka and Brazil are poor, black and don’t speak English.

    Likewise the recent shooting in Arizona would have been treated very differently 15 or 20 years ago when domestic terrorism was the big story in the United States. Since 9/11 Islamic terrorism has become the big story, so the gentleman who attacked the meeting in Arizona is being regarded as a dangerous loner rather than an anarchist extremist. I’m not saying that other anarchists are involved in the attack, I am saying that, had he been a Muslim, the media would have been discussing how Islam had affected his actions and speculating about what other Muslims might be up to.

  • Of course people who are not in the public eye are murdered and there’s no fanfare. That’s the world we inhabit and it’s a pity and a shame. News values are a perverted set of values. However, to headline a piece about this issue with ‘There was a young woman from…” as if you’re starting a Limerick is a bit too smart alecky by half and in poor taste.

  • ORWELLSPEN

    The Joanna Yeats case was given so much coverage because the tragedy was the death of potential. The death of Baby P also attracted a lot of coverage too it must be noted. Joanna and Michaela were young, achieving women who were cut down in their prime. The death of Lithuanians and Limerick knife victims as tragic as they are do not get such coverage because sadly, most of the victims have had tragic haphazard lives. We fear this thus we sweep these under the carpet. However the death of children is covered greatly. News coverage reflects the chime and identification society has with the victims. Death on honeymoon is as tragic as it gets. Her poor husband; I can’t imagine the agony. Who can. However, each of us can pay our respects in our own way to those less mentioned in the media. I know this sounds sad but once a month I visit the CAIN index of deaths online and I think about each of the long forgotten victims of the troubles. We don’t need the news to tell us how to feel. It was always thus and always will be

  • ORWELLSPEN

    To continue, news is not simply the reporting of stark facts; if it were, we would not need news channels or papers but tickertape from Reuters. So why is the news the news? It’s resonance. Deaths of those most like ourselves or those whom we’d like to be resonate more than the deaths of those less fortunate, popular, and dare I say, beautiful. “Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee” but some bells toll louder than others for reasons stated above.

    However

  • ORWELLSPEN

    *stupid iPhone*
    All in all, let’s bear in mind the tragedies of all deaths and pay our respects and let’s leave the news debate for another time.

  • Yet in all the pages about the murder in Mauritius, we learn nothing at all about the island, just that it is a “tourist resort”. It is just as bad as most reporting about NI.

    For example, no one seems to have picked up on the two favourite sports of Mauritius: football (there are pitches cut out of the corner of sugarcane plantations everywhere) and politics (they run public meetings all the time, not just before elections. I remember listening to Gaetan Duval pointing to another candidate and saying people should vote for the PMSD because they are so beautiful – the candidate was the ugliest one on the platform).

  • fordprefect

    MarkMG,I can see where you are coming from, but, I agree with redhugh. Micheala didn’t ask nor want to be murdered (obviously), so it’s not her fault if the media are making a circus out of it. I personally think the family should be left alone to grieve in peace.