A (non-Welsh) seasonal quiz.

Something for everyone in this one – usual rules apply, no google, no wikipedia until after you have guessed.

1. When did women first get to exercise their right to vote in the United States?

2. Name the work that made Franz Liebkind famous?

3. Replace the Xs in these two related series (a). 71, 51, 6, 10, X, 5; (b). 1, X, 8, 1, 3, X, 57, 3, 6, 5, 3.

4. What is on top of Belfast Castle?

5. What was directly inspired by Yevgeny Zamyatin’s ‘We’.

6. Where is my superior alternative to a Mitsubishi, Subaru and Honda?

7. Where is L’Anse Aux Meadows and what happened there to make it famous?

8. If I’ve just watched Beatrice and Gabrielle fall. Where was I?

9. How many 8,000m mountains are there and how many can you name?

10. And finally, to keep Dewi happy, Ireland and Wales played their first official soccer and rugby internationals in 1882. In which code did Ireland first manage to win a fixture (and how long did it take)?

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  • I instantly recognise numbers [1] and [7], that is if
    ¶ [1] means “the first woman allowed to vote”, which gives a truly extraordinary answer,
    and
    ¶ [7]’s Nordic connection.

    I think I recognise
    ¶ [5] if I’ve correctly linked Newcastle shipyards and “BB”;
    and
    ¶ [2] because I’ve got both versions on DVD.

    Isn’t [8] inviting a Giap [sic] in our knowledge?

  • John Ó Néill

    Flawless, Malcolm, and bonus points since you didn’t even give away the answer to any question directly. You can argue for two answers in question [1] alright, but I do specify ‘women’ in general as opposed to an individual woman who might have voted and then voted again (I suspect you are thinking of a colonial days example).

  • Rory Carr

    I. In Wyoming State and in (I’m guessing) 1893.

    2. Ve hoff vays of mekking you answer zis question.

    4. At the moment, a lot of snow.

    6. In a stable in this weather I trust. (See video)

    [Rory, I’ve removed the video link since that is making it too easy for people, not that Paul didn’t do that at the same time as I published the quiz. J.]

  • John Ó Néill

    Rory – you have one wrong, one not specific enough and, like Malcolm, you have coyly indicated you know two for certain (and I had to take down the video since it is too much of a giveaway).

  • Rory Carr

    O.K., John, but as for No. 9, if you think I’m going out with an 8,000m tape measure in this weather…

    But Malcolm’s clue for No. 8 is sufficent and warms the heart with the memory.

  • John Ó Néill

    Rory – most people can maybe name a couple, after that I was curious to see if anyone would manage a few more.

  • Rory Carr

    No 2 and No 8 I know the answers but am holding back while others have an opportunity.

    I have an inkling for No 5 – either Orwell or Huxley, probably the latter as the former would hardly admit to such inspiration.

  • I admit that I “knew” [1] only because I picked up that really remarkable detail from the 1750s in a different context. In the early colonial period, particularly if I recall correctly in Massachusetts, there were examples of black property-owners with white “indentured servants”. That led me to read up on the franchise and find Lydia Taft in Uxbridge (take the train from Woonsocket, not the Piccadilly Line).

    It’s tempting to think the non-specific question leads to Wyoming Territory, which not only was the first place to enfranchise women (in the 1870s?) but as a State the first to have a woman as Governor (Nellie Ross, a good Democrat and later FDR’s appointment to the Mint). However …

    At the time of the Revolution the about-to-be Great State of Noo Joisey wrote its law on citizenship quite loosely, and allowed all property-owners the vote. That excluded married women (whose property was, quite properly, in control of their husbands), but allowed unmarried and widowed women owning property to vote. I think that got overturned shortly after, when women, non-whites and non-US citizens were disfranchised.

    I hope you’re all paying attention. I used to get paid good money to spout this stuff.

  • [4] I know there are a couple of pepper-pot towers and a flag-pole on top of that Scottish Baronial monster up the Antrim Road. I can’t recall seeing a flag up it (that would cause a kerfuffle on Slugger, to be sure). There must be a panoramic view, though.

    The Union Line built its ships at H&W, but never named one for Belfast … so that does for the idea of “funnel”. The Castle was taken over by the Navy in WW2, so radio aerials up there still?

    On the other hand, whoever does the marketing for the Castle makes a thing of it, so it couldn’t be a cat, could it?

  • John Ó Néill

    Malcolm – a lot of knowledge can be a dangerous distraction!! I was thinking of 1776 and after.

    As to [4], I’m afraid you are very cold.

    Rory, you’ve nailed [5] okay.

  • John Ó Néill @ 10:04 pm:

    OK: I reckon to score myself a generous 4 or 5 out of an excellent 10. Thank you, sir, for the diversion and the mental exercise: that ought to keep the dreaded Alzheimer’s at bay for another while

    Unless inspiration strikes in the early hours, I’ll await others to fulfil the quota. What’s 8,000 metres in real money anyhow?

    I assume the answer to the second part of [10] is 80 or 90 minutes.

  • John Ó Néill

    Malcolm, a sensible external examiner would make me accept your answer to [1] or dump the question, so you’d have to get a very commendable 5. I like the answer to [10] since I hadn’t thought of that angle…

    In real money, 8,000m is where oxygen saturation is about a third of that at sea level, with the extreme altitude at which humans can actually live being about 6,000m (above 8,000m is described as the death zone as it is impossible to adjust to the altitude). I think 8,000m is just over 26,000 feet.

  • slappymcgroundout

    Re 9, only God knows how many, depends on what we call a dividing line, but I believe that nearly all of such mountains will be found in the Himalayas. What happens when the plate is pushing up against the other plate. On that note, don’t invest in real property in the Indian sub-continent in the long term.

    The question is otherwise “rigged”, i.e., depends on assumptions made going in that some, me, might not agree on. For example, these numbers are measures above sea level. Hardly seems fair. May be a fine comparison if you’re mountains rising from a plate that sits above sea level, at least in part, but Mauna Kea here in the land of aloha rises very nearly 35,000 feet (over 10,000 meters) from the floor of the Pacific Ocean. Mauna Kea is the tallest mountain and volcano in the world, when we measure from base to summit. And if you check the map, you’ll see that the Big Island of Hawaii dwarfs the rest of the main Hawaiian Islands in size. And so Mauna Kea’s neighbor, Mauna Loa, is the largest mountain in the world by volume. Mauna Loa is aptly named, with mauna loa meaning long mountain. For those of you fortunate to have seen her, you can’t but help to have noticed that she slopes from here to eternity. Here is a piece on Mauna Loa using another measure, i.e., something other than above sea level:

    http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/maunaloa/

    I would upload one of my own photos, but Mauna Loa is one of those wonders of the world that the photo never quite captures.

    Now back to Mauna Kea, she is aptly named white mountain, since when you get high enough, you can even have snow here in the tropics. Here she is without her snow, in the ever popular photo taken by both residents and tourists alike, i.e., that photo taken from your Hawaiian Air or Aloha Air window seat, as you approach the airport at Hilo:

    http://soniatasteshawaii.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/16/mauna_kea_1_2.jpg

  • Rory Carr

    Since no one else is taking a bite I will stake my claim to my previously heavily prompted No. 2.- Franz Liebkind, an unreconstructed Nazi living among his pigeons on a New York rooftop, was the author of the hagiographic play, Springtime for Hitler which, disastrously as it turned out, was adapted as a successful musical in Mel Brooke’s The Producers (and thank God for that !).

    No. 5 then is confirmed as Aldous Huxley and Brave New World.

    …and, as prompted by Malcolm, No.8 is – at the battle of Dien Ben Phu (a lovely battle as battles go imo).

  • John Ó Néill

    Rory – right on all counts – answer to number 5 depends on who you believe – Huxley said he wrote Brave New World before he had heard of We and that he had been satirising H.G.Wells uptopian literature, Orwell thought Huxley was lying (while he personally admitted that he used it as the basis for the plot of 1984).

    Slappy – in mountaineering terms, ‘mountains’ are distinct from peaks (a mountain might have a number of individual elevations that are regarded as separate ‘peaks’, the main common denominator of different definitions tends to be that an independent peak over 1000m is classed as a ‘mountain’). Point taken, but only in the US is Mauna Kea ever pushed as the highest mountain since, generally, it is measured as the height above sea level (with the reduced oxygen saturation being the challenge that gets increasingly freakish with altitude above sea level).

    There are 14 mountains over 8,000m, most people only know two.

  • Dewi

    Sorry for arriving late – what’s the Dien Bien Phu film anyway?
    7) Is confirmed as Vinland

  • John Ó Néill

    Dewi (I just did this quiz as a one off), I think there are a couple of films about the battle – one called Dien Bein Phu at least, I think? Some cracking books – The Last Valley (M. Windrow) and Hell in a Very Small Place (B. Fall) are both excellent.
    7) is probably correct, they were Vikings in Canada, either way.

  • Dewi

    Read The Last Valley once a year….Rugby – I reckon you beat us in the first game so thatks Rugby 1882

  • John Ó Néill

    1882? Not even close, Dewi.

  • slappymcgroundout

    “Point taken, but only in the US is Mauna Kea ever pushed as the highest mountain since, generally, it is measured as the height above sea level (with the reduced oxygen saturation being the challenge that gets increasingly freakish with altitude above sea level).”

    John, all of these so-called “tallest” mountains arise from a plain or, more generally, surrounding land area, that is itself well above sea level, so the mountain really isn’t that tall, in relation to its environs, and it strikes me as odd to credit a mountain as being 8K meters when the plain it sits on is itself 3K meters above sea level.

    If you take into account the height above sea level of the surrounding land area, Mt. McKinley and Mt. Kilimanjaro are as tall as most of those purportedly 8K meter mountains. They just don’t have the good fortune to be built on a surrounding land mass that is well above sea level.

    Put in other terms, to illustrate the point, the way it’s done, as you relate, is like you saying that you have the tallest collection of stacked tea cups, all of three, because the table they are stacked on is ten feet above the ground, while my stacked cups, fifteen of them, and same type of cups as yours, are stacked from the floor up. That’s the absurdity of the measure. What the measure is, is not height of mountain, but height of summit above sea level. Those are simply not the same things. It’s another example of what I call sloppy science, here, illustrating well a failure to employ proper concept. And since as you noted, it is what most go by, it also illustrates that such failure can be a mass failure.

    Lastly, let me put it this way, those 8K mountains, if you climbed up in a straight line, would you climb 8K meters? So it doesn’t even work for mountain climbers. Those folks instead have the good sense to note distance above sea level, for oxygen starvation and weather endurance purposes, while they also note height of mountain from base to summit, so they can calculate how long it will take them to climb, based on x distance per day, along with how many days food and water they’ll need to bring along (in other words, oxygen is good, but so is not bringing too much food and water, correctly calculating that it won’t be 8K but 5K that you’ll be climbing).

    And sorry for belaboring the point, but as a lawyer, well, this is my pet peeve, as I am all too familiar with the reality that the single item that plagues our administration of justice it isn’t competing ideology or disparity in wealth or disparity in lawyer competence, but instead, the singular failure to properly conceptualize the matter at hand and act accordingly. Lawmakers do it as well, by the way, and so going back to my last line in the prior paragraph, sometimes, in regulating, the lawmakers act is if you were 8K and weigh you down with “food” and “water” accordingly.

  • John Ó Néill

    Answers:

    1. When did women first get to exercise their right to vote in the United States?
    Technically, a couple of states allowed women to vote in 1776 although all repealed it by 1807.

    2. Name the work that made Franz Liebkind famous?
    Springtime for Hitler

    3. Replace the Xs in these two related series (a). 71, 51, 6, 10, X, 5; (b). 1, X, 8, 1, 3, X, 57, 3, 6, 5, 3.
    (a) 20; (b) 307 and 257; parliamentary representation in the Dail and Westminister alphabetically by party.

    4. What is on top of Belfast Castle?
    British Home Stores, basically, (the actual Belfast Castle was demolised and lies underneath – the one on the Cavehill isn’t a castle really).

    5. What was directly inspired by Yevgeny Zamyatin’s ‘We’.
    Orwell admitted it was the basis of 1984, Huxley denies Brave New World was but Orwell, for one, didn’t believe him.

    6. Where is my superior alternative to a Mitsubishi, Subaru and Honda?
    My Horse is Outside.

    7. Where is L’Anse Aux Meadows and what happened there to make it famous?
    Viking settlement in Newfoundland found and excavated by Helge Ingstad in the 1960s.

    8. If I’ve just watched Beatrice and Gabrielle fall. Where was I?
    Dien Bien Phu

    9. How many 8,000m mountains are there and how many can you name?
    15 (to keep Slappy happy I’ll include Mauna Kea) – off the top of my head: Mauna Kea, Everest, K2, Dualagiri, Cho Oyo, Annapurna, Gasherbrum I, Gasherbrum II, Nanga Parbat, Shishapangma, Lhotse, Manaslu, Gasherbrun, Makalu, Kangchenjunga

    10. And finally, to keep Dewi happy, Ireland and Wales played their first official soccer and rugby internationals in 1882. In which code did Ireland first manage to win a fixture (and how long did it take)?
    1887 in soccer, rugby not til 1888

  • slappymcgroundout

    Keep me happy?

    See no. 3. Having gone through the calculus of several variables, well, I was pulling my hair out, and doubting my sanity. No doubt some of that crept over into no. 9.

    Anway, I don’t know if there will be a Christmas thread, as I don’t think I was here for Christmas prior, and so let me wish everyone a safe and merry Christmas. That includes you non-Christians as well. And safe before merry.

  • For sheer buck stupidity, in not recognising Baron Hardup’s Chichester’s original pile, I hereby fine myself all outstanding points. Now, if only John Ó Néill @ 10.04 pm, had said “You’re miles away” …

    Another excellent diversion; better than most of the stuff in the MSM. Well done, sir!

    The annual King William College quiz is up on the Guardian website: let’s see if I can beat my all-time low last year. Even convinced Jacobites can play.

    Greetings and wishes to all. If there’s anyone here whom I’ve failed to insult and offend in the last twelve months, an email will ensure a snappy response.

  • Dewi

    No 3! Bah!! – was trying to work out prime factors for hours last night…