Sir Reg to become a peer

Not entirely a surprise to hear that the former leader of the UUP, Sir Reg Empey, is to become a peer.  Or that he was nominated by the Prime Minister, and Conservative Party leader, David Cameron.

The BBC has the full list of new working peers announced today.

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  • Rocketeer

    Aside from the fact that Sir Reg is David Cameron’s newest mate, why on earth is he being granted a peerage and for what political accomplishment?

  • Alan

    Interesting to see Ruth Lister getting a peerage.

  • dennis

    and what exaclty has reg done to deserve this???

  • dennis

    does this mean reg will not stand for the assembly as they UUP are opposed to double jobbing,
    Surely if someone cant be a councillor and MLA then they could not be a Lord and MLA

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Wee Reggie joins Trimble in the House of Lords both proud members of Vanguard – an organisation whose weapon of choice was to blackmail the British government that if there was an Irish civil servant about the place they would fight for Ulster – and fighting for Ulster as far as can be made out simply meant slaughtering the Nationalist population in a civil war.

    Strange perhaps that Unionists who seemed to have some difficulty with Nationalist violence were more than happy to elect gentlemen as leaders to the more ‘moderate’ Ulster Unionists party even though they threatened wholesale sirpatrickmayhem and murder if they didnt get their way – and that in direct defiance of the government they wished to be loyal to.

    Perhaps the Lords is a suitable place for them.

  • drumlins rock

    technically its not a “job”, they dont get paid, but as they have basically the powers as MPs, without the distractions of elections, I personally think it should be full time job.

  • HeinzGuderian

    I threatened to kill him !!
    I killed him !!

    Only in nat/rep world,could these statements be viewed as one and the same !!

    No difficulty with nat/rep violence at all,dear boy………….the people who had most to fear,were themselves,nat/reps !!

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    HG,

    Only in nat/rep world,could these statements be viewed as one and the same !!

    Only problem for you with that ‘straw man arguement’ being I didnt say that.

    But hey – convincing defence.

  • HeinzGuderian

    As for Mr Empty……………..about as useless as El Beardo…………..well,nearly !! 😉

  • HeinzGuderian

    Oh,sorry Samuel……….I thought you were making an analogy between threatening violence,and actually carrying it out ?? Silly me……………

    What then,pray tell,would the problem be with Unionists having some difficulty with Nationalist violence ??

    Has to be said Samuel………….’I didn’t say that’,when quite clearly you did,is an abysmal defence !! 😉

  • RepublicanStones

    Whats the comparison ratio for members of other parochial parties in the likes of Scotland and Wales being given peerages? It seems like the Lords is to unionists what the Boots counter is to former air stewardesses !

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    HG,

    I suggested it is hpyocritical for Unionists to both condemn the use of vioence and support those who threaten it.

    Perhaps you could address the actual point being made rathr than inventing something you find easier to deal with?

  • bemused

    are you saying Sir Reg has piles, or just that he should go stick it in the ocean?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Julian Fellows!!!!! sheesh
    Oona King…….well shes been fishing for it.

    and……..a member of the Royal Stuart Society who reguarly raises a glass to the King over the watter (sic)…..excellent news that the Jacobites are back in positions of power again. 🙂

  • Drumlins Rock

    whos that FJH? and who is the current pseudo monarch these day?

  • If you’d checked Pete’s link (which I’m sure you all do as a matter of course), you’ll see that Reg has been appointed as a Conservative, not UUP or independent peer.

    The UUP website also hasn’t got round to congratulating him yet which could be purely down to inefficiency but still…

  • Alias

    Lords Trimble and Empey, unlike Lord Paisley, are worthy additions to that institution.

  • dennis

    being a councillor is not a”job” either and councillors receive an allowance much like Peers

  • slug

    UUP leader generally comes with a peerage.

  • dennis

    Trimble let armed terrorists into governmetn, Empey made a pact with the UVF/PUP, and both oversaw the destruction of the UUP

  • Granni Trixie

    I once visited a house where an extended family were assembled to see the video of the man of the house get an MBE from Queenie. It was played many times, including backwards. Apart from having had a good job in the civil service he wasnt exactly sure why he got it. But boy did it obviously make him happy.

    Whilst I do not believe in the Honours system itself, I can see if you are interested in politics the Lords make sense.
    Granni is open to offers on that.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    oh I couldnt possibly say as the last people hanged drawn and quartered in England were seven members of the Jacobite Manchester Regiment…….quite near the Oval Cricket Ground, a place of pilgrimage to many Jacobites.
    There are two psuedo monarchs.
    The first is a harmless old duffer called “Francis II” whose actual title is “Duke IN Bavaria” not “OF Bavaria”. He is childless and elderly and has absolutely no interest and would prefer not to think of “modern” Jacobites as anything other than “snobbish nutters” but is much too polite to say. On his death the titles go to the Royal family in the money laundering haven of Leictenstein.
    Jacobites are of course totally against Republics which is odd because the Bavarian Royal Family were fiecely pro German in WW1 and hosted Joseph Plunkett and Roger Casement prior to the Easter Rising.
    If you are ever in London check out the Catholic Church at Warwick Street near Piccadilly. Old Portuguese and later Bavarian embassy Church in 18th century where a memorial plaque to the current Kings grandfather in which his Kingship of England, Scotland and Ireland is recognised.
    Obviously that was the 1950s and things have moved on. The Church is now the archdiocese of Westminster s church outreaching to Londons Gay Lesbian and Transgendered community.
    Obviously Jacobites are outraged at this.
    But the histoic fact is that Bonnie Prince Charlie had no legitimate heir and the title passed to Henry Stuart (Henry IX) who was er…..gay.

    The second pseudo monarch these days is Mrs Elizabeth Windsor. 🙂

  • I recall asking my late father what the letters OBE stood for, his reply…..
    “Other Buggers Efforts”

  • pippakin

    He retires from front line politics to an excellent pension and moves to the lords with its wonderful perks. Not bad, not bad at all.

  • cynic47

    Reg will love it.

    Toys in cornflake boxes spring to mind.

  • Greenflag

    And Paisley actually achieved a working result which is more than can be said for the other two ermines 😉

    We may not like Paisley and some may abhor him but in terms of political ‘performance’ he will be seen historically as head and shoulders above the Empey’s and Trimbles .

    But I’ve no doubt that Mr Empey will be capable of snoring just as loud in the House of Lords as any of the other oul duffers 😉

  • Greenflag

    True 🙂

    Some other awards .

    CMG (Call me God)
    KCMG ( King Calls me God)

    And surely Lord Bannside should have got this one

    GCMG ( God calls me God)

  • Drumlins Rock

    Cardinal Henry? didnt the Hanover Royals pay him a pension?

    ah well the Oldenburg Family will add another feather their cap in not so many year I guess.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Drumlins Rock,
    Yes. He was the subject of the worlds first bail out.
    The British Govt and the Church had a certain common cause against the French Revolution.
    In the Jacobite mind set the Whigs are bad……but the republicans “Satanic”.
    He received money from the British but a true Jacobite would claim he was coerced by piety, poverty and popery (the Church was also anxious to ditch the Jacobite cause….as the prize of Catholic Emancipation was greater.
    So a Jacobite would claim that any renunciation of his claim to the throne would be invalid.

  • It is ironic, isn’t it?

    This is the man who was embarassed to use the word Conservative to describe the UUP. Perhaps that was because it wasn’t

  • Alias

    “We may not like Paisley and some may abhor him but in terms of political ‘performance’ he will be seen historically as head and shoulders above the Empey’s and Trimbles .”- Greenflag

    He’ll be seen for what he is: a rancid old bigot who spent the greater part of his life stirring up sectarianism for the purpose of his own political advancement. His mono political philosophy throughout his shabby little career was a battle cry of “No Surrender!”

    Trimble, on the other hand, will stand alongside Carson as the man who delivered the political deal wherein the Catholics gave up their former right to national self-determination and agreed with the constitutional legitimacy of partition, formally declaring that the formerly disputed territory properly belongs to Her Majesty and should remain within the United Kingdom for the purpose for which it was originally partitioned, .i.e. to allow the British nation (AKA the Unionist Veto) within the partitioned territory to exercise their legitimised right to self-determination.

    Trimble achieved something for the British nation through politics, whereas *Lord* Paisley achieved something for himself through his loud mouth and by being a useful troll to the state-sponsored murder gangs.

  • dwatch

    What a hypocrite. Now he has got in the door he starts yelling: ‘Reg Empey calls for more democracy in Lords’

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/reg-empey-calls-for-more-democracy-in-lords-15009019.html#ixzz15naJvgup

  • Framer

    Lord Morrow manages to double job happily.

  • Framer

    Reg will be joined by another Ulster-connected peer in the form of author and historian, Alastair Cooke, formerly of QUB.

    He could have chosen to sit on the cross benches like Baroness O’Loan and oddly Lord Kilcooley.

  • dennis

    who wants to bet that tom elliott ends that tradition

  • dennis

    its the UUP who are complaining about double jobbers

  • dennis

    of course you forget that Empey and Trimble were both members of vanguard, a movement that committed violence

  • Comrade Stalin

    Alias,

    wherein the Catholics gave up their former right to national self-determination and agreed with the constitutional legitimacy of partition

    The idea that the constitutional status of Northern Ireland could not change without a majority in NI voting for it was enshrined in the 1974 Sunningdale Agreement. You may or may not be aware that the SDLP, then the political leader for most of the “Catholic community” supported that.

    You may also be unaware that this same principle was reaffirmed by all parties except Sinn Fein who attended the Forum for Peace and Reconciliation which had been set up by the Irish government following the IRA ceasefire in 1994. The unionists were not there to make their case.

    Accordingly it is factually incorrect to say that Ireland’s Catholics (North or South) ever cherished the principle of national self determination as understood by orthodox Irish republicanism, itself a minority view in Irish politics ever since 1922.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Whatever way Unionists or crypto Unionists wish to dress it up the constitutional position of Ulster did change as part of the GFA and the attendant legislation. The votes on both sides of the border confirmed the acceptance of this change.

    To help grasp this concept as yourself what the Tory right wing would say if ministers of the Scottish government were obliged to cooperate with their French counterparts in the way Ulster minsters are obliged to cooperate in ministerial office with Irish ministers and what they might say if the French government were given a say in all political developments in Scotland.

    The Irish government now has a veto on change to any constituional arrangements in Ulster which it doesnt like -the obvious one being political integration with Britian and
    only offered up the quite useless (aspirational) articles 2 and 3 in return.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Whatever way Unionists or crypto Unionists wish to dress it up the constitutional position of Ulster did change as part of the GFA and the attendant legislation.

    No, it didn’t.

    And you can leave Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal out of it.

    To help grasp this concept as yourself what the Tory right wing would say if ministers of the Scottish government were obliged to cooperate with their French counterparts in the way Ulster minsters are obliged to cooperate in ministerial office with Irish ministers and what they might say if the French government were given a say in all political developments in Scotland.

    That sentence is completely unreadable (maybe it makes more sense as Gaelige ?), but if you are saying that NI ministers are “required to co-operate” with Irish ministers, that is completely untrue as well. There is no co-operation requirement in either direction. The cross-border bodies deal with matters of mutual concern but they don’t provide a mechanism for either jurisdiction to wield power in the other. So no constitutional change there either.

    The situation with Europe is completely different. The UK has legislation that requires it to be bound by European legislation. There is no legislation which requires the NI government or the British government to be bound by Irish legislation.

    The Irish government now has a veto on change to any constituional arrangements in Ulster which it doesnt like

    No it doesn’t.

    the obvious one being political integration with Britian and only offered up the quite useless (aspirational) articles 2 and 3 in return.

    This has been the “realpolitik” since the 1980s – are you aware of the Anglo Irish Agreement ? – nothing new was introduced as part of the GFA.

  • westofthebann

    The Conservatives must be delighted! They have removed the last UUP MP from Westminster they got the last UUP FM Trimble to defect and now – although he is dancing on a pin head in the News Letter – it is clear that Empey is now defecting too!
    The Conservatives have destoryed the UUP. Who will stand up for the unionist people who do not like the DUP?

  • HeinzGuderian

    The Oirish Government………..(hehehe) sold their veto……………I believe a handful of magic Beans were exchanged !!! 😉

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    HG,

    “The Oirish Government………..(hehehe) sold their veto……………I believe a handful of magic Beans were exchanged !!! ”

    The Irish government has a direct say in the political governance of Ulster – that is why they attend the talks St Andrews etc – it is defacto joint rule on politcal development. Articles 2 and 3 gave them no such rights their only practical value being to the Provos to avoid extradition.

    Under the GFA attendant legisalation the Irish government now have a veto on any development in Ulster to sit neatly beside the one enjoyed by the Plain People of Ulster to further change.

    Unioinst ministers, as a condtion of office, are bound to take part in the North South Ministerial council, a principle that shows that when the Plain Peoplle of Ireland North and South, voted in the GFA referendums they did so to vote in favour of the role of the Irish government in Ulster’s affairs and in favour of linking Ulster constitutionally to the rest of the Ireland. The GFA vote was a vote in favour of a change to the constitutional status of Ulster.

    When you add in the fact that the British agreed to arrangements in Stormo that ensured republican insurgents were permanently in government you have to wonder why Unionists still remain loyal?

  • Drumlins Rock

    triple job in Morrows case, he is a councillor too.

  • Alias

    “The idea that the constitutional status of Northern Ireland could not change without a majority in NI voting for it was enshrined in the 1974 Sunningdale Agreement.” – Comrade Stalin

    Actually, it was “enshrined” in the Government of Ireland Act 1920. The difference being that the Catholics then dismissed it as the “Unionist Veto” but have now accepted it via a plebiscite as the “Principle of Consent.” They have now formally downgraded their own former right to self-determination from the legal status of a right to the status of an aspiration and upgraded the right to self-determination of the British nation from disputed to the status of a principle.

    “You may or may not be aware that the SDLP, then the political leader for most of the “Catholic community” supported that.” – Comrade Stalin

    The SDLP have always supported the British constitution which rejected national self-determination for the Irish nation in British territory and have always rejected the Irish constitution which had formerly asserted that claim, but the policy of a political party should not be conflated with the will of the public. That is why we have invented things called “referendums” to determine issues that are not to be determined by political parties.

    “Accordingly it is factually incorrect to say that Ireland’s Catholics (North or South) ever cherished the principle of national self determination as understood by orthodox Irish republicanism, itself a minority view in Irish politics ever since 1922.” – Comrade Stalin

    This is a classic straw man argument. Irish has given the principle of self-determination pride of place as the first article in its constitution and international law also has it as the first article in the ICCPR, so it is most certainly “cherished” by the nation. Provos and others of that ilk were never republicans.

    “There is no co-operation requirement in either direction. The cross-border bodies deal with matters of mutual concern but they don’t provide a mechanism for either jurisdiction to wield power in the other. So no constitutional change there either.” – Comrade Stalin

    You really should refrain from commenting on issues when you have no working understanding of them. The NSMC is a supranational authority formed by a treaty between two sovereign states, and not bi-national council as you mistakenly refer to it. Do you even know what a supranational authority is?

  • New Statesman

    Hmm – Interesting to note that Soup Man didn’t manage to scramble onto the Peerage Bandwagon!