“Zeal for Your House Will Consume Me”

Has a bit of a Renaissance feel, this photograph does, along the lines of Christ Driving the Traders from the Temple, the framed moment of violence and the expressions of the surrounding people captured in a frozen instance. Photo by Charles McQuillan

  • soralan

    saw this one or one very like it in the Irish news the other day, we were discussing in work how that guy with the petrol bomb is quite identifiable due to the tattoo on his arm and not very well concealed face. lesson here is if your gonna riot cover up your tattoo’s.

  • Rory Carr

    “Yob driving decent folk off their streets” might be a more appropriate title some might think.

  • stewart1

    white trainers are popular these days 🙂

  • RepublicanStones

    The guy in black to the left appears to be doing a Bez !

  • White Horse

    Gerry Adams is my hero…

  • Cynic

    Two bottles of Buckie and I will take on anyone

  • Oracle

    I’d heard that Celtic had signed a hot new attacker……. but!

  • lamhdearg

    Why cover up? where is the fame in that, he will probably download the image to his facebook page, and anyway if/when the police get around to arresting him the courts will give him a gentle slap and send him home feeling his ego as a hell raiser enhanced.

  • Phil Free

    Indeed. No doubt ‘punished’ with one of those youth conference things in the news today, where he’ll have to say sorry to the police he was trying to set on fire.

    “Aye like mister, i’m dead sorry like, sure I was just raking about like f*cks sake, mates made me do it like, wont do it again like, ma das in Maghaberry, like, like”

    Spiedy wee toe-rag.

  • Mrazik

    Who’s the gimp?

  • Dewi

    Absolutely fantastic photo

  • DeValery had a canary

    Who’s the dirty kangeroo in that Rangers jacket? 🙂

  • West Sider

    There’s a few gimps in the photograph – but they’re matched by those on here who think this should be hung in the Louvre.

    Well, they are limited, whatever floats their boat.

    Everyone has a right to be heard, but not to be taken seriously.

    I think that is apt here.

  • Charles is a good photographer so he is…..

    (73rd and 77th photographs in that slideshow)

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    ehhhh ……
    Celtic (under 15’s) v PSNI
    Venue – the Ardoyne
    Kick Off – July 12th

    It’s probably the same guy that stood with a placard outside Croke Park which read ‘No Foreign Games’ (or words to that effect) whilst wearing his British Celtic soccer jersey as he protested against Ireland playing England in the 6 Nations Rugby.

    Ah the little amadan bastard…. such thickness is rife throught the land!

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    BTW ….the analogy of ‘Christ Driving the Traders from the Temple’ is a bit OTT ….. but it fits in perfectly with the kitsch and cheesy ideolgy of the disillusioned and religious fundamentalist and megalomaniac Padraig Pearse as he compared himself to Christ with his blood sacrifice.
    The twisted nerdy fucker!

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Fantastic Carling advocacy there from the young man. Makes me thirsty just looking at him.

  • TheHorse

    What do you expect from these kids who were spponfed stories of bygone days and bravado round barstools and carryouts by ex chuckies and wannabees. The likes of Bobby + Co are just as much to blame as when it suited their agenda they turned those young people on and off like water taps with the same dogma that those who they now accuse as being criminal and anti social. The youth have no respect for Sinn Fein or the likes of them and why is that, maybe because certain republicans have made a living roughing them up and physically assulting them for what they term anti social behaviour and now those same people are calling for social services to intervene – they have brass necks. Lets be honest if a group of those kids wearing celtic jerseys never mind carrying banners glorifying murderers of protestants, tried to walk towards the Shankill they wouldn’t get very far they would no doubt be re routed elsewhere by the PSNI or get a good hiding by the good people of the Shankill. Why people cant see the difference in Orange Order marches is beyond most Nationalists. If society wishes to prevent scenes like what happened in Ardoyne and elsewhere they would be as well explaining to those young people why the double standards.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Or society could teach non-violence and how to tolerate stuff you don’t like without picking up a brick.

    Protestants have tolerated more than just banners glorifying the murderers of Protestants, we’ve tolerated the actual murderers themselves taking seats in government and making decisions about our lives. I am not an Orangeman myself and don’t like the organisation much – partcularly as a liberal atheist – but is it too much to ask for toleration of what is a peaceful event?

  • TheHorse

    MU while I can understand your feelings on certain people being in government who in the past have been involved in paramilitary activity, there is a very thin line that you couldn’t push a cigerette paper through between the connections of certain Unionist politicans and loyalist paramilitaries, I could go on and show the various links but Im sure you and everyone else are already aware of them. Whether you rolled the snowball and someone else threw it you are both guilty. Is there really any difference between Sinn Fein and the DUP the former being open about its paramilitary past and the other who we now know met and advised the UVF not to call a ceasefire when they were murdering innocent catholics, then theres the third force the DUP created, were they not involved in importing thousands of automatic weapons into the country with the UDA and the UVF.that were later used to murder. Unionism has plenty of skeletons in their closets just like Republicans. You see theres the double standards again.

  • lamhdearg

    Nationlists parade past the bottom of the shankill (browns square) on a regular basis on their way to the city centre, The people of ballysillan do the same past the edge of ardoyne (the shops) twice a year, Both sides are just going to have to get used to it.

  • lamhdearg

    Horse you are the one showing double standards, is gerry open about his past, are nats not alowed to walk past loyalist areas,

  • TheHorse

    Browns Square ! Tell us how many and when did this happen apart from the last Erigi protest and do they carry banners glorifying the murderers of the people of Browns Square. Do they carry paramilitary flags with IRA or INLA or whatever emblazioned on them. Were they hemmed into their homes by the PSNI and refused to be able to go about their normal buisness. Was their any bands playing republican music not the mild Irish traditional music like the Wolftones that you can actually get charged with playing around Orange Order marches but real rebel rousing republican music, was their hanger on’s with carryouts who traded insults at the people of Browns Square.

  • lamhdearg

    Browns Square ! Tell us how many and when did this happen(LOTS, EVERY TIME A NATS RALLY HAS BEEN HELD AT THE CITY HALL.) apart from the last Erigi protest and do they carry banners glorifying the murderers of the people of Browns Square. Do they carry paramilitary flags with IRA or INLA or whatever emblazioned on them.(YES THEY HAVE AS SEEN BY MY EYES IRA FLAGS) Were they hemmed into their homes by the PSNI and refused to be able to go about their normal buisness.(WELL AT THE END OF BROWNS SQUARE ITS RESIDENTS WHERE UNABLE TO PAST HOWEVER I WOULD NOT SAY THEY ARE HEMMED IN JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE OF ARDOYNE THEY COULD LEAVE BY ANOTHER ROUTE) Was their any bands playing republican music (YES, AS FOR MILD IRISH TRADITIONAL, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A REP/NATS PARADE)not the mild Irish traditional music like the Wolftones that you can actually get charged with playing around Orange Order marches but real rebel rousing republican music, was their hanger on’s with carryouts who traded insults at the people of Browns Square.(YES AND TRADED BRICKS AND BOTTLES AS WELL AND ALSO AT LEAST TWICE CAME BACK THAT NIGHT AND ATTACTED AGAIN), But i will say this the prods are at times gust as bad, No double standards from me, Well not on the right to assemble anyway.

  • TheHorse

    IRA flags that you have seen with your own eyes ! WOW, in all my years I have never seen an IRA flag, what does it look like? and yes I have been at St Patrick’s day parades as I assume thats what you’re talking about as thats the only parades Nationalists have with bands that go into the city centre, are you sure you’re not exaggerating a little bit.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    I’m no DUP supporter but the dodginess around the edge of some of the DUP does not make them a Protestant Sinn Fein.

    Sinn Fein was wholly committed to Armed Struggle, was and is led by senior (former) IRA terrorists and remains unequivocal in its support for the Provisional IRA campaign. There is a world of difference between that and the intermittent and only occasionally consummated flirtation of some nutters in the DUP with Loyalist paramilitary counter-terrorism – disgraceful and wrong though it was. For all its idiocies and hypocrisies, the DUP has been overwhelmingly an anti-terrorist party; Loyalists have long hated Paisley for not going their way.

    While it may be galling listening to DUP people claiming any kind of moral high ground, the hard truth is that they do have it over Republicans. Not, I hasten to add, over the reasonable parties like the SDLP, UUP and Alliance. Hardline politics is one thing, killing people is another entirely.

    Sinn Fein have to live with the consequences of their 28 year terror campaign. They seem to be coping quite well with the actual defeat, all things considered, if only through being in a quasi-medicated state of denial. But I’m afraid being lectured on morality by a born-again homophobic climate change denier is just one of the things you have to take on the chin if you’ve stiffed a few people. I suppose that is some form of hell; but if that was all Sinn Fein had dished out for 30 years, NI would be a different and better place.

  • lamhdearg

    An ira flag is a flag with ira on it, as for st pats being the only time nationlists have pasted brown square with bands with them, i assume you are taking the piss?.

  • Abu Hamza

    Is that a tricolour with IRA wrote on it or an actual bona fide IRA flag?

  • TheHorse

    “I’m no DUP supporter but the dodginess around the edge of some of the DUP does not make them a Protestant Sinn Fein”.

    It probably does seem like that to you. To me and most Nationalists theres no difference, is there good and bad ways of breaking the law, is there some sort of teir where you can equate directing terrorism which the DUP did by asking the UVF not to call a ceasefire, creating a paramilitary terrorist army who imports weapons into the country to be used in the murder of innocent catholics and then washes its hands of them when they are caught, or do you just see G Adams as a terrorist for doing the same thing.

    “There is a world of difference between that and the intermittent and only occasionally consummated flirtation of some nutters in the DUP with Loyalist paramilitary counter-terrorism”

    Who was it that created the third force terrorist force at the Ulster Hall complete with red berets and military uniform, Ian Paisley, Peter Robinson, our Sammy was there too and of course some other senior DUP politicians, hardy some nutters. Are you saying that it was some nutters in the DUP that met the UVF and advised them not to call a ceasefire when the were murdering innocent catholics, are they any nuttier than those I’ve mentioned. What about Drumcree when the Orange Order were refused to march and it decended into widescale unrest were certain Unionist Politicans not caught on camera discussing tactics with Loyalist terrorists who then went on to murder innocent people in the pursuit to march down Garvaghy Road, was it not Paisley who threatened bloodshed on the streets if Orangemen could not march up springfield road where it did then end in widescale violence.

    “But I’m afraid being lectured on morality by a born-again homophobic climate change denier is just one of the things you have to take on the chin if you’ve stiffed a few people”.

    Dont even know what you’re talking about there MU but you’d better ask Sammy Wilson and his merry band of evolution deniers and the worlds only 6000 years old group of headers.

    By the way loyalist paramilitaries dont hate paisley for those reasons its because he filled them full of hatred and fire and brimstone talk then ditched them when they ended up in jail.

  • you can equate directing terrorism which the DUP did by asking the UVF not to call a ceasefire

    Er, not very good at ‘directing’ terrorism if they didn’t listen to them then?

    creating a paramilitary terrorist army who imports weapons into the country to be used in the murder of innocent catholics and then washes its hands of them when they are caught

    That’s a nice interpretation. Makes sense how anyone has the conscience to vote for the Shinners if they swallow that line.

    Moreover, there’s probably something about your republican-tinged assumptions on the rest of us – that we’d swallow such rubbish without question – that gives an insight into how a rioter in Ardoyne can accuse a policeman standing in a line in the road of ‘aggravating the situation’ whilst simultaneously attempting to beat the shite out of him.

    Evidently it’s not just you who thinks people will believe any old line thrown out.

  • TheHorse

    “you can equate directing terrorism which the DUP did by asking the UVF not to call a ceasefire”

    “Er, not very good at ‘directing’ terrorism if they didn’t listen to them then”

    Yes thats different we’ll just forget about the fact that they advised them not to then will we.

    “creating a paramilitary terrorist army who imports weapons into the country to be used in the murder of innocent catholics and then washes its hands of them when they are caught”

    “That’s a nice interpretation. Makes sense how anyone has the conscience to vote for the Shinners if they swallow that line”.

    Someone else brought the terrorist label into to it and I followed but if you can find anything untrue about it then please do tell.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    “To me and most Nationalists there’s no difference [between the DUP’s record in the Troubles and Sinn Fein’s] …”
    I really hope that’s not true of most nationalists. Tell me it’s not true. If it is, bloody hell …

    “Who was it that created the third force terrorist force at the Ulster Hall complete with red berets and military uniform, Ian Paisley, Peter Robinson, our Sammy was there too and of course some other senior DUP politicians, hardly some nutters.”

    Sorry if I gave the impression the aforementioned people weren’t nutters. They were and are. But I was talking about the dealings with actual Loyalist paramilitaries, where in terms of heavy, regular involvement a la Sinn Fein, you’re looking at more marginal figures like George Seawright, who was eventually expelled from the DUP for being sectarian. And that arse McCrea shared a platform with Billy Wright of course. But by Troubles standards, the DUP’s dalliances do not account for much of a proportion of the violence, if any.

    The Third Force episode did involve senior DUP people and was of course ludicrous but the thing was, they didn’t actually attack anybody. So again, not great, but not exactly the moral equivalent of an IRA (1,821 killings) or a UVF (481 killings) there.

    On the Loyalist paramilitaries, their view of Paisley as “The Grand Old Duke of York” (for “marching them up to the top of the hill and marching them down again”) is damning in that it shows he had been dealing with these people, who he must have suspected were bent on violence. But it also reminds us he didn’t actually support their violence when it happened. The idea he was “directing terrorism” seems unlikely. Every decent person wanted the defeat of the IRA of course, but it was wishful thinking on Loyalists’ part if they imagined even hardliners like Paisley backed their way of getting it.

    But back to the issue of letting parades down the street, a final thought. I understand that true Irish Republicans love Protestant traditions and culture, as they love all Irish culture. They know it’s wrong to discriminate between Catholic and Protestant. As devout Christians, many of them, they love us as their neighbours too. The tricolour flag itself embodies the belief in peace between green and orange. So respect for Orange culture must be at the heart of Irish Republicanism. Can I then hope that Republicans can win the day on Orange parades and face down the anti-Orange protesters? It would be great if they lived up to their ideals.

  • Someone else brought the terrorist label into to it and I followed but if you can find anything untrue about it then please do tell.

    Er, sorry but if any hitherto constitutional politician is guilty of arms trafficking/directing terrorism could you please spill the beans? I understand such people can still be brought to justice.

    As I said, the thugs rioting over the last few nights probably believe the police started that too. Doesn’t mean regular people (that’s people who don’t stand for their own homes to be smashed up on a regular basis for the sake of it, I feel in your case the point needs emphasis so we know where we’re at) have to accept similar babblings about the past as a legitimate point of view.

  • TheHorse

    In no way was I equating them of being involved in actual involvement in doiing the killings themselves in terms of what some members of Sinn Fein have done, I mean they were activly supporting and promoting the illusion that protestant violence was reactionary when that was far from the truth. That they called on Unionist hardliners ie loyalist paramilitaries, when the opportunity called for a show of strengh or depth of the feelings of Unionism or of course to threaten any attempt to change. And whilst the third force did not accually kill anyone but the intent was there to kill why bring weapons into the country other than to murder people.

    How can we overcome the parades issue, I believe there is no place in society for tribalism. Are we to be subjected forever to the victories of protestantism over catholicism in battles 100s of years ago, that we are followers of the Antichrist and that we will forever burn in hell. Is society saying that is freedom of expression and whilst we might not like it we must lump it, for thats what freedom is all about. Surely you must understand that offends a section or our society. I do understand its your culture and if thats what you feel of your fellow and countrymen/women then do that in your own communities where you wont offend, I do understand that some Orangemen are christians and do act as such but how can you empathy for an organisation that promotes division and distrusts between our communities.

  • lamhdearg

    “Are we to be subjected forever to the victories of protestantism over catholicism ” , William the thirds army fought with the blessing off the then pope, Williams personal guard where all catholic, The fact that William won is the main reason that the monargh of England can’t do as he please’s anymore, the events of 1690 are indeed something to be remembered as good.

  • TheHorse

    When did I condone the rioters at Ardoyne and elsewhere.

    Are you denying the DUP created the Third force?

    Are you denying that the Third force were not caught with 100s of weapons that were part of a consignment that they along with the UDA and UVF brought into the country.

    In November 1988 part of the Ulster Resistance share of the weapons was uncovered in police searches at a number of locations in County Armagh around Markethill, Hamiltonsbawn and in Armagh itself. Among the items recovered was a RPG7 rocket launcher and 5 warheads, 3 assault rifles, a Browning pistol, 10 grenades, 12,000 rounds of ammunition and combat equipment.[8] Also discovered in the arms caches were parts of a Javelin surface-to-air missile and a number of Ulster Resistance red berets

    The DUP subsequently claimed that they had severed links with the group in 1987.

    Yes they are whiter than white aren’t they to people like you.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    TheHorse,
    But the point is the merits of the organisation are neither here nor there, unless they are actually actively harming people or committing a crime. And no, being offended by them doesn’t count. We can’t have one set of freedoms for organisations we like and another for ones we don’t.

  • TheHorse

    Thats great I feel much better now knowing thon fellow who fought some other fellow who the pope said was ok and some geezer from england cant do as he pleases anymore, i’d like to think so that was 400 years ago. Its used as a Protestant versus catholic victory by the Orange Order to claim protestant supremacy over the catholic religion.

  • TheHorse

    Do you think if the Orange Order was in England and instead of catholics being the recievers of the ethos the Orange Order it was muslims, could you see the Orange Order getting away with being openly offensive to the muslim community.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Indeed, Nationalism is just as divisive as Religion!

  • Alan Maskey

    Well over 90% of marches are Loyalist, Protestant, Orange Order. They are not wanted. Loyalist aplogists keep trying to draw comparisons and some of those unfair comparisons have led their friends to murder GAA activists. The same kind of comparisons were made by Paisley when he incited the malvern St and other murderers.

    Bottom line: No Orange Order, no riots.

  • Simont

    While the agendas of the Orange Order and English Defence Laeague are not comparable, your question is not entirely hypothetical. The EDL are far more anti-Islam than the Orange Order are anti-Catholic, as well as more thuggish, and they are most often permitted to march in England, included at the sites of mosques and proposed mosques.

    Muslims were also permitted to protest outside Westminster Cathedral after the Pope’s controversial comments on Islam, with banners saying “Pope go to hell”.

  • Cynic

    Gerry Kelly wants no more use of baton rounds.

    At last there’s a real alternative

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/10646540

    Brings a whole new meaning to summer barbeque

  • lamhdearg

    I cant see it being use here, The powers that be have not got the balls to put dye in the water cannon in case human rights watch claim excessive force. anyway if the “heat ray” was used it would be shirts off factor crisp and dry on and “pass is another one of them wkd mate” “like”.

  • cheeseburger

    the picture confirms the reports that dissidents came from all over the country, it is easy to spot the derry wans with the white gutties. And what about the sexual deviant behind the nerd with the petrol bomb…is that his ma`s tights on his head..what a gimp