Will anyone here object….

With continuing speculation on a visit by the British Queen to Ireland one person is ahead of the game. Danny Morrison has been talking to the BBC about struggling through the crowds at Glastonbury and being rewarded with a courteous chat from Prince Charles.

When we got up it was Prince Charles… He was the only person out of quarter of a million wearing a shirt and tie.

He asked myself and my brother Ciaran did we actually camp out for three days. We come for about six days. He was very personable.

Maybe Danny’s famous quote could do with some reworking?

Who here really believes we can meet the Royals through Féile an Phobail? But will anyone here object if, with a Glastonbury ticket in this hand and a tent in the other, I take tea with Prince Charles in England?

Update: How happy was Danny to meet Charles? Well, when he (or maybe his brother) passes him during this video the smile is near splitting the face open – man in black t-shirt at 35s in (did the claimed conversation between Danny/Ciaran/Chas happen at some other point because in this clip Charlie merely walks past a very happy old man amongst hippy types. Did someone go back for seconds?)

Though in the wake of the Saville Inquiry you must wonder if the Bloody Sunday Families feel now is the time for an ‘Irish republican’ to be treating a glad-handing with the Colonel-in-chief of the Parachute Regiment as something so enjoyable.

You can hear Danny loving his Royal experience on Radio Ulster here – 2:24:30 on the timer

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  • Ash Cloud

    Are you really Pete Baker in drag?

  • Rory Carr

    Irish Republicans are opposed to the institution of monarchy in Ireland. What England gets up to, how it arranges its own form of government is entirely its own affair. Certainly it would be bad-mannered, not to say churlish in the extreme, to slight a English prince onehappened to bump into on a public social occasion in his own country where one was visiting as a guest.

    Danny Morrison by all accounts is a polite, affable man and, as his account of his encounter with Prince Charles indicates, not in the least embittered by the events of past times. Unlike, it might be said, those embittered, smug, self-satisfied, pretend ‘socialist republicans who, under the banner of éirígí demonstrated against Queen Elizabeth carrying out a religious ceremony as head of the Church of England through the age-old ritual of the distribution of Maundy Money at the Anglican cathedral in Armagh. An ugly little piece of religious sectarianism failing to disguise its nature under the pretense of republican principle. They shoulde learn from Danny Morrison’s natural grace.

  • Oracle

    Do the choreographers of the Queens visit to Ireland really think that anyone with the intelligence to tie their own shoe laces are going to swallow the bollox that the Queens son just happened to be at Glastonbury at the same time as a former senior ranking republican icon from the 80’s.

    Strikingly similar modus operandi to the peace process where the Shinners drip fed the bitter pills to their electoral base working up through the ranks, first they’d use the likes of Tom Hartley because if it went tits up it was easier to distance themselves from him, as a free-spirit (ah it’s just Tom, sure he’s nuts)
    If there was no immediate backlash then it would be Kelly’s turn then the Andersonstown News would express their support then Marty and finally Gerry and thus it was set in stone as what people wanted.

  • Mark McGregor

    Rory,

    Some would question your view of Danny’s manners. He does have a bit of a reputation for being a little less than polite to people he disagrees with.

    I find it a bit bizarre that he decided to inform the BBC of the story – the Royals sure didn’t pitch it. Strange thing to want broadcast for a republican. Indeed given his previous roles one may assume he knew more than a chance meeting would be read into this, particularly given current stories on the visit to the south.

    Also, while you raise éirígí’s reaction it is not a million miles from that of Caoimhin O Caolain’s which was covered just a few days ago.

  • Cynic

    Every day you have to find an excuse to post. don’t you.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    I dont have any great problem with Danny Morrison exchanging pleasantries with Mr Windsor in Glastonbury.
    It is England after all.
    In the unlikely event of Mr Windsor turning up at Crossmaglen to cheer on Donegal against Armagh….well thats a different matter.
    When in Rome, you dont fight with the Pope.
    As long as Danny didnt do a cute wee curtsy and present a bouquet, I dont see a problem.

  • kells

    Morrison is not at all liked among a lot of republicans.Do not be fooled by his own PR.

  • Rory Carr

    Mark,

    I am unaware of this matter of Caoimhin O Caolain’s reaction to whatever. Perhaps you could enlighten me. However I do notice that both Oracle and you seem to be wearing your tinfoil hats while bandying about unfounded conspiracy theories on this small matter of coincidence.

    Coincidence is not so far fetched. My father, back in 1962, once almost bowled over Queen Elizabeth, the then Queen Mother at Downpatrick Races a he ran across her path to meet an old friend he had spotted in the crowd. Realising he had almost collided with a woman he simply placed a placatory hand on her shoulder and mumbled, “Sorry, Ma’am,” (he addressed all females over 16 as “ma’am”) before hurrying on completely unaware of her identity until other spectators pointed it out but which news fazed him not at all. The Queen Mum’s horse Laffy won the Ulster Grand National that day.

    Fitzjameshorse,

    Surely Charles would be a welcome convert in the unlikely event that he chose to attend at the Donegal-Armagh match. But it is so unlikely as hardly to be worth disputing.

  • Mark McGregor

    Rory,

    Caoimhin’s reaction to a royal visit – http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/18818

    I’m not suggesting a conspiracy, I am saying Danny is media savvy enough to realise the ongoing debate over a royal visit and that him contacting the media to highlight a meeting with Charles at this time is certainly open to being read as a contribution to that debate.

    And for a republican to step forward at this time, declare they have no problem meeting royals and it is time to move on could look like a kite-flying or tone setting attempt.

    Now I also recognise Danny is no longer central to any republican position and could be just media hoaring but he put himself in the mix.

  • redhugh78

    I’d be a bit more concerned if it was in Ireland, after all it’s Charlie’s home patch, when in Rome.

    In saying that tho I think as an Irish republican I’d be rather more inclined to ask his opinion (or more likely give mine) on the Saville report given the fact he’s the Colonel in chief.

  • latcheeco

    The old Bangers might have taken the opportunity to ask by the way if the Colonel- in- Chief had ever heard of Father Mullan.

  • Mark McGregor

    Blog updated.

  • Mr Crowley

    If I was in pope and met the pope I would protest about Vatican policy on a variety of issues, including paedophilia enablement, genocide in Africa, financial corruption and many others. If I met an English prince I would his endorsement of violent imperialism conducted in his name; they all serve in British regiments as commanders or officers.

    Righteous protest is never out of place.

  • Mr Crowley

    If I was in Rome and met the pope I would protest about Vatican policy on a variety of issues, including paedophilia enablement, genocide in Africa, financial corruption and many others. If I met an English prince I would his endorsement of violent imperialism conducted in his name; they all serve in British regiments as commanders or officers.

    Righteous protest is never out of place.

  • Mr Crowley

    If I was in Rome and met the pope I would protest about Vatican policy on a variety of issues, including paedophilia enablement, genocide in Africa, financial corruption and many others. If I met an English prince I would protest his endorsement of violent imperialism conducted in his name; they all serve in British regiments as commanders or officers.

    Righteous protest is never out of place.

  • TheHorse

    Im sure Charlie’s security men directed his movements, and they unknowingly directed him into the path of Danny Morrison and his brother Ciaran, two former republicans prisoners and they have a chat about camping. This is a statement of acceptance that the past is the past and maybe it was Charles doing the accepting.

  • Oh please, who cares? perhaps Mr Morrison informed the Beeb, or perhaps someone else in the crowd grassed on him. Have we not moved on.

    Perhaps Mr Morrison was there for the music and everyone knows HRH was there for the publicity. It seems both may have got what they wanted.

    If Mr Morrison was grinning from ear to ear, perhaps he saw the humour of the situation? Perhaps, perhaps.

    I wonder what GA would have done? Everyone knows what PR would have done…

  • Mark McGregor

    Pip,

    I love that idea.

    WWGHD – what would Gerry have done.

    I really want a non-reactive metal ring thing with that printed on it.

  • Mrazik

    “WWGHD – what would Gerry have done.”

    He’d have denied he was there.

  • Mark McGregor

    Ever wonder who you might meet on a train? sometimes, once in a blue moon maybe, it happens. LOL..

  • Mark McGregor

    and Pip,

    Maybe a few days after the Saville findings you can help Danny explain how glad-handing the Colonel-in-chief of the Parachute Regiment and calling the Beeb to publicise it looks anything less than utterly crass from a republican.

  • Mark McGregor

    Did you not just do that?

    I think even the families need time to smile, and what makes you so sure Mr Morrison called the Beeb? there is unlikely ever to be any proof, why not just laugh at the moment and let it pass?

  • “I’d be a bit more concerned if it was in Ireland, after all it’s Charlie’s home patch, when in Rome.”

    Irish republicans, have been berating the British left for decades its failure to show solidarity during the long war and rightly so in some cases. But this attempt to pas this meeting off as two ships passing in the night is a bit rich.

    By the way, it is not Windsors home patch, as some have patronisingly claimed, his bastard family usurped it and in the process have and continue to do a great deal of harm.

    Some republicans here seem to be loosing sight of the reality which stares them in the face, this man is heir to the British crown, which sits at the pinnacle of the British class system and by so doing repeatedly reinforces it.

    In case it might have slipped some minds, his mother claims to be Queen of part of Ireland, which she holds because of British arms and the threat of a terrible war being unleashed on the Irish people.

    To act as if it is not only perfectly normal but civilised behaviour to welcome the British monarch to Ireland is not only to turn right into wrong, but for republicans, a betrayal of all those people who gave their lives for the removal of the British crown from Ireland.

    Now Dan can say hello, or tip his cap to whom he wishes; but for such an articulate fellow to pass up the opportunity to give a Windsor a piece of his mind, does seem to have been far to good an opportunity to miss.

    The late lamented Jeffrey Barnard, like Rory’s Dad, also found himself face to face with the English monarch’s mother whilst at the races, one piss head to another you might say, his response was to spewed over her shoes, which seemed to me to be perfectly normal, civilised behaviour.

  • Glastonbury is a music festival! It is neither a lunatic asylum or a political debating chamber. It is possible some people go there to see the band and hear the music. It is actually a very healthy sign to see a republican taking time off to be human!

    The sneering and the sarcasm can wait, after all they never go away.

    I dont believe in the monarchy, but I bloodywell believe in music! I think the more of someone who shoes he can not only see the funny side of a situation but enjoy music, even if its music I dislike! Get a grip people, it is the silly season.

  • Can I just quickly, and grovellingly add, I also appreciate those who not only wear shoes, but occasionally show them too.

    Oops! so sorry, again.

  • Mrazik

    WWGHD: He would have denied he was there.

    And some would believe him…

  • TheHorse

    Are you on the babysham, there are no chance encounters with a member of the royal family with former senior republicans, interesting description of first impressions of the encounter with the Commander in Chief of the parachute regiment, I suppose next we’ll be hearing is Sinn Fein taking their oaths at westminster but having their fingers and toes crossed.

  • Hello The Horse

    Im afraid you age both of us! You for mentioning Baby Cham and me for knowing what you are talking about!

    Perhaps, just perhaps, things just happen? & even if this encounter was organised – so what?

    Im not against conspiracy theories I just need more convincing, nothing happened! Nothing had changed. Two men met in a field. Talk about one man and his dog in a meadow…Paleeese!

  • daisy

    It’s not often I agree with Rory (albeit silently) but he speaks the truth here.

  • daisy

    Had I been at Glastonbury and bumped into Charles I would’ve asked him to loosen his tie and have a dance with me to Dizzee. Call me fickle but there are bigger issues out there.

  • daisy

    I usually agree with your comments, but on this occasion: If Rory Carr got it right, it was by accident!

  • daisy

    There are always bigger issues, and for us there always will be, but perhaps once a year in a field, is a time to dance & be merry.

  • Peter McMorran

    Good to see the Republican ghetto mindset, which seeks to project its woes onto others, still in operation.

    The beloved Mother Ireland has been brought to its knees by a cartel of corrupt establishment types and their stooges, and all the boys in the bunker can bleat about is a meeting that takes place between two men with a one time (alleged) shared interest in the versatility of fertiliser.

    This is the same mentality at work, that would see the provos sit in their concrete, no window, pubs during the troubles, collectively persuading themselves, as the pints slipped down, that they were under siege from the British forces of occupation. It took them twenty five years to rid themselves of that mindset.

    The danger for Republicanism over the next five years, is that as economic realities begin to dawn in the Republic; and people are left to ponder just what the two years of severe austerity was for, the inevitable ensuing social unrest is likely to consign the notion of Republicanism to the historical graveyard.

    The problem with the ghetto mentaility and culture, is that when you shout loudly it is only your own type that can hear you. This can lead to a false sense of infallibility, when the truth is, that outside the windowless bunker the world has moved on.

    Whilst there may not be a definitive link between Adams’ cronies and the militant boyos who like to leave abandoned car bombs about the place, they both remain weighed down by the same historical baggage. Danny Morrison plays in green fields reading Herman Hesse, when he should be acquainting himself with Richard Koo. The Real IRA would simply do well to check in their own backyard, and to perhaps enlighten us all, as to what their strategy is achieving vis a vis the social tsunami that is oncoming.

  • Rory Carr

    Mark,

    Thank you for the piece on Caoimhin O Caolain. I’m afraid I find your attempt to compare his reaction to a state visit by the Queen with éirígí’s protest at a religious ceremony a wee bit thin, to say the least. Besides which O Caolain’s disapproval is directed at An Taoiseach.

    Mick Hall,

    If you had ever had the misfortune to meet that boorish, drunken lout, Jeffrey Bernard, as I have your full sympathies would be with the Queen Mother whatever your perspectives on royalty, I assure you. I must say though that he did write like an angel .You, Mick, on the other hand need to improve your spelling as I now see that you have slipped into Turgon’s annoying habit of misspelling ‘losing’ as ‘loosing’. I hope you don’t start adopting his politics as well.

    Pippakin,

    Finally, our minds meet in harmony. Accident or no, like Danny’s meeting with Charles, what happy happenstance !

  • Rory Carr

    Like a car crash

  • Rory

    Sorry about the spelling I could blame it on the US apple spell checker on my computer, but I doubt I would get away with that with you.

    I did know Barnard, and I found him fine if you caught him early enough in the day, if a little jaundiced. I always had a sneaking admiration for him as he was able to turn his drinking into a living, although I doubt he earned a great deal from his pen, but it was a reversal of the norm, when drinking becomes the living.

    As you probably know he was not slow to ‘dine out’ on his tales, but I especially liked the one about when he lived in Berkshire, (I think) where the races horses are trained. He had no car and there were few buses going into the nearest town, where he went every day at opening time.

    He noticed he was the last drop on his postman’s round, so he sent himself a letter every day and when the postman dropped the letter into his box, he hitched a ride into town in the post-van at no cost.

    Although looking back he once told me over a drink, an old guy standing at the bar, with what looked like oxblood boot polish in his hair fancied me. I tipped him bullocks, as being ravished by an old git with boot polish on his head was not on my list of priorities at that time, even if he was Francis Bacon.

    Ah, the if only’s in ones life. 😉

  • Rory Carr

    I dunno, Mick, a half-hour spent playing ‘hide the salami’ with Francis Bacon might well have ended with you being immortalised in oil (or slathered in some form of lubricant at least).

    Maybe you and I might get to meet up in the Coach and Horses one fine day where we can bore the arse of all the patrons in place of Bernard and Bacon, but it hasn’t been the same since Norman packed it in. For some reason his old mum and Mary, the Irish cook both took a shine to me and I found myself on two occasions being the only survivor while Norman, as was his whim, decided to bar everyone else at the table beside which I was sitting. He did so enjoy his dictatorial powers of barring whomsoever he took a dislike to and it was a spectacle to behold.