Protected subspecies

When I get round to giving my views on Moloney’s ‘Voices from the Grave’ I won’t be commenting much, if at all, on the allegations directed at Adams, other senior shinners and people loyal to their project. Those aspects have had a thorough enough airing elsewhere and to be honest are neither new or particularly enlightening.

There is one aspect of this that is leaping out for me though and I’ll mention it here so I can keep it away from any review I do later:

Several people are named in the book as being directly involved in some very serious activities, activity that could still carry a prison sentence. However, others that are mentioned in the book have their names redacted. If the book is a Voice from the Grave, why is some of what is said censored? Are others mentioned more likely to sue? Or has the author decided to protect some from unproven allegations and denied the same protection to others?

Just asking like.

  • Mark,

    intersting point and one that you might expect Moloney to deal with in the preface.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an entrirely accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • joeCanuck

    You’re asking the wrong people, Mark. You need to speak or write to the author. Unless you’re asking a rhetorical question. Presumably you are but we’re still at the mercy of the author. I agree that an explanation would be nice. I can think of a couple but that would be just speculation.

  • Mark McGregor


    I’d happily ask the author but I don’t have a little black book with his contact details. So it becomes a question I’ll raise here and maybe someone will ask it directly or if the author sees it maybe he’ll reply.

    I can think of a few reasons myself, like they have reputations that can be damaged if the claims are not substansiated. However, somebody was first at putting claims against the others in the public domain.

    In itself it seems like a small admission that the claims in the book are not evidence of themselves and wouldn’t stand up in a court?

  • granni trixie

    Mark:from what you say it seems your background is relevant to Voices from the Grave. Others on this site may know who you are, but some of us don’t. Can you say, the medium being (part of) the message.?

  • Mark McGregor


    Eh? How does my highlighting elements of a freely (freer for some than others) available book require a background check?

  • granni trixie

    I have expressed what I meant badly,sorry.
    I believe that anyone on Slugger is entitled to keep their ID to themselves if they want to, but as you seem to present youself in Slugger under your own name, I wondered was there something I should know which would make what you post more understandable. Sorry if I have gotten that completely wrong.

    What would most of us have to contribute to Voices from the Grave?

  • joeCanuck


    Each time a new blogger on the team appears, I ask them if they can give us some background. Some have, some have declined, some have just ignored the request (which they are entitled to do).
    I can give you my understanding of Mark based on his scribblings on SOT as a member of the blogging team:
    He was a strong supporter of SF (he wasn’t sure if he was formally a member although he sometimes chaired meetings, undertook electioneering etc.
    A few years ago he became disillusioned with SF and left.
    He subsequently joined (or hung around with) éirígí.
    Became disillusioned with them (or something happened) and he left.
    He is presently a Republican unaffiliated with any group or Party.

    If I’m wrong on one or more points, I’m sure Mark will let me know, without giving details.

  • Mark McGregor


    Since you are giving an opinion on me – which is utterly irrelevant on this or any other blog – I will correct you, or your guff will become ‘fact’ for others:

    I was formerly a member of SF (seems like a life-time ago), I can’t recall ‘chairing’ a meeting. I did join éirígi, I left, I’m not disillusioned with them. I hope to attend their commemoration tomorrow (and another one) – will blog both.

    This matters on this entry how?

  • joeCanuck

    Matters not in the least. I just thought I would do granni a service if I could.

    If I am wrong about the meeting it’s because of my misunderstanding. I thought I remembered a discussion a couple of months ago between you and someone else about your time in SF. I remembered (wrongly it seems) that you said you didn’t remember if you had actually signed a membership form but that things were very informal at that time and that you may have chaired some sub-committee meeting once.
    I said you became disillusioned with éirígí or….

    Sorry if I have annoyed you.

  • joeCanuck

    By the way, I wasn’t trying to give my opinion of you. I believed that I was simply repeating things you put into the public domain. As to relevance to this blog, as I said, your personal opinion on this book or any others is yours, and your backgound is neither here nor there.

  • Mark McGregor


    You and others that fill/clog the comment space on Slugger with loads of irrelevant, uninformed expat insight annoy me.

    Sorry, if that annoys you.

  • old school

    I’d guess those with their names redacted are dead, and are unable to reject the allegations or defend themselves.
    But what do I know?

  • joeCanuck

    Well Mark, I guess if I have repeated things that you said, then you’re hung by your own petard. Why you are so sensitive and defensive recently intrigues me, but I guess that’s uninformed and irrelevant, when the walls seem so threatening. I don’t think that expat is an insult though perhaps you might differ. Maybe you think it’s as bad as calling some people a Brit?

  • alan56

    I am not from a republican background as you will have guessed.I also realise that many republicans are feeling betrayed by the current stance of SF. I am though keen to understand what the political startegy is that can deliver a 32 county state. Can Eirigi eventually deliver? Do they believe in continued ‘armed struggle’ and if they do then do you agree with this?. Just interested, and forgive my ignorance, as it would be useful to know.

  • Mark McGregor


    If you and others (joe included) are still confused about my position on armed struggle there is little I can do to help you.

    And to be honest I’m so bored with this inference I’m not even going to give it a response.

    As for éirígí – if you want to know their position, ask them. I’m not their mother.

  • joeCanuck

    Well, thankfully the personal abuse has died down Don’t expect bloggers on SOT of all places to play the man.

  • joeCanuck

    “I have never ever implied that you encourage violence. I read all your blogs and have never heard such a thing. – Joe to Mark on “Grave problem..” blog.
    Care to rethink your remark about me being confused about your position on armed struggle?

  • granni trixie

    Mark: I can see from above that my instinct that there was a story somehow relevent to your views on the book holds. However I also see that it is a complicated story so let me reiterate that I did not mean to give you grief!

    So can we all start again examining the book – which I am just getting into reading…watch this space.

  • wild turkey

    ‘uninformed expat insight annoy me. ‘

    well that’s an emphatic endorsement of diversity from an internationalist perspective.

    ah, is uninformed homegrown 100% purebred irish inshite okay then mark? i often find it to be a great source of hilarity. like right now.

  • joeCanuck

    Pete recently has blogged on this:
    “We do not want foreigners in here.”

    Not Pete’s sentiments; he was quoting a politician from the ROI.

  • Seosamh913

    Can anyone from eirgi explain their position on Afghanistan as it appears pro-Taliban to me based on the 5th form common room material available on their website. Likewise, can they explain their position on Iraq as again I am told their analysis is shared with Galloway’s Ba’athist-sympathising RESPECT.