No respect for the border

Despite initial denials from the PSNI that they had been stopping vehicles at a checkpoint in the south.

Cllr McMahon said he did not accept a senior PSNI’s assertion that the checkpoint was on the Fermanagh side of the border. The officer said the PSNI were assisting the NI Dept. of the Environment in carrying out a traffic census

They have now come clean:

The PSNI has admitted that officers stopping cars near Belleek this week were operating outside their jurisdiction. A spokesperson had intitally [sic] stated the checkpoint had been on the Fermanagh side of the border last Monday.

  • alan56

    Call in the UN immediately I say!

  • Mark McGregor

    For why? Surely this is but another step on the road to an All-Ireland police farce?

  • joeCanuck

    F*****g big deal. Mark, have you nothing better to do at this time on a Friday evening?

  • alan56

    Ah Mark, so cynical for a Friday night. Seriously though is there any hint of something more than a balls up or was it a ‘special operation’?

  • Mark McGregor

    Alan, Joe,

    That incident gets its own blog as it framed some thoughts on my next one. Perhaps I should have just done them together…who knows.

  • wee buns

    Have not noticed any Gardi checkpoints in

  • wee buns

    Strabane…

  • joeCanuck

    No, wee buns, but you can see them in ASDA every day of the week doing some sort of surveillance in the off-licence.

  • Brian Walker

    Tricky one, mind you. If you turn right at the junction to go up the village towards the Carlton hotel, you cross the border by a few feet. Then, if you stand on the rock just above the pavement on the left, likewise. All the elevation is in the Republic. Worth reading the appropriate volume of Martin Gilbert’s Churchill biog to see the sharp exchanges between him and Lloyd George and Collins in 1922, complaining that the IRA were using the heights to fire on the police station and threatening invasion if it didn’t stop. Needless to say, the attacks resumed in the 50S and 70s. I presume the police station closed some time ago. Stll, pity the poor PSNI. I just know you agree, Mark.

  • wee buns

    Would they be sifting the Famous Grouse drinkers from the Powers drinkers do you think Joe…

  • joeCanuck

    Nah, wee buns. Just waiting for the famous Stella Artois bargains.

  • Drumlins Rock

    go get a life mark

  • Alias

    As they have committed a criminal offence in this jurisdiction, they should be held accountable to the judicial authority. If they have a good excuse, I’m sure the courts will be as merciful to them as it would be to others that these police officers might bring before the courts in their own jurisdiction.

  • Drumlins Rock

    wonder does this ever happen on the german dutch border, french belgian border, canadian us border, I sure it does all the time, tut tut it shouldnt and if it happened regularly diplomatic noises should be made, but 50 yrds in for a few minutes….

  • Alias

    DR, oddly enough, the Irish police never make this ‘mistake.’

  • old school

    Here they are recognising the border to full effect:
    http://www.derryjournal.com/journal/Rage-as-Donegal-drivers-targeted.5885690.jp

  • Mark McGregor

    Alias,

    Funny that. Must have better GPS in an Garda Síochána na hÉireann?

    And them in a recession/depression too.

  • Drumlins Rock

    im sure there are time it has happened with the gards, just no one has made a song and dance about it, unfortunately it does raise one real issue, that is most of police are no longer locals, or even based in an area for long enough to get to know it properly, I live just a few miles from the border, and in the places where it isnt marked by a big river even I have great difficulty working out exactly where it is, and im a self confess map geek. I persume most of the gards are locals still and should have a good enough idea, finally have a look a Beleek, it is sorta unique, you actually have to drive into the south to get into the village from the west side of the lough, either that or do a 40 mile detour.

  • joeCanuck

    DR,
    There used to be a rocky road where you could avoid the detour, and I mean rocky. I drove it once in the late 70s; neither my car nor my family liked it.

  • Mark McGregor

    DR,

    Well no. If its a seperate, distinct and sovereign jurisdiction – you don’t have any badly trained or unaware cops invading it. Simple, normal international relations. Learning the border for cops stationed there should be a no-brainer.

  • old school

    My Mother was in a crash in donegal a few years ago.
    A few weeks later two gardai turned up at her house in Derry , to take a statement from her.
    They weren’t in uniform obviously, but it was odd seeing them pulling out their notepads in the living room, and hearing their strong Midlands accent. Me Ma made them a nice cup of tea and some ham sandwiches.

  • Mark McGregor

    Old School,

    How did that work out? Was there a court/insurance claim? did those statements ever get used in a legal setting?

  • joeCanuck

    old school,
    I mentioned a few weeks ago that there is now excellent co-operation between the police on both sides of the border, and that is a good thing. How could anyone who thinks there is/should be one country complain?
    BTW, situations such as you have mentioned are agreed/sanctioned in advance.

  • joeCanuck

    Mark,
    Do you think that truth knows borders? You’re getting carried away tonight. Perhaps you should rejoin éirígí.

  • old school

    The crash involved a local boy racer who had form. I got the impression the Guards were determined to send him down for porridge (love talking like this) I assume the ma’s statement was shown to the Judge for added effect.
    We never heard anything since.

  • old school

    Joe, the vast majority of the co-operation you speak of is not used to combat criminality, but to target Republicanism.Political policing.
    The PSNI/RUC however do not reciprocate. Ask the family of Eddie Fullerton, or those of the Dublin bombings.

  • Alias

    I’m sorry, Mark, the meaning of that comment (No 17) sailed right over my head.

  • Alias

    Oh forget that… my dyslexia kicked in again. Got it now.

  • joeCanuck

    but to target Republicanism

    I’m afraid you have lost me, old school. Aren’t all of the Gardaí republicans? Perhaps you mean some other type of folk, like anti-democrats?

  • old school

    No. Republicans, Joe.
    Has there been a single conviction or extradition for any of the dozens of Loyalist killings that happened in the South? Even one?

  • lamhdearg

    will the Gardai please come up to my street and sort the little fackers out that are making life les/mis, the local pigs can’t cut it.

  • aquifer

    Irish police stop irish people

    Is this news at all?

  • Rory Carr

    Clearly the PSNI have started to be affected by all that éirigí propaganda they have been confiscating to the extent that now they don’t recognise the border either.

  • Reader

    old school: Has there been a single conviction or extradition for any of the dozens of Loyalist killings that happened in the South?
    Do you think that the Garda are colluding with loyalists? That’s a new one…

  • Procrasnow

    Now had we still the Royal Ulster Constabulary it would not look so bad as even across the border it is still Ulster.

    Of course maybe they know something we suspect but dont know for sure when yet

  • Billy Pilgrim

    The border at Belleek is a marked by the Erne river. They would have had to cross a bridge and pass a big sign saying “Welcome to Co Donegal.”

    How could anyone, even if “unfamiliar with the area,” pretend they did not know they had crossed this very well-marked border?