Fantastic Mr Faux?

So the new media boss of the UUP is an actual Catholic (and by god have they been trying hard not to mention it directly – while telling everyone)

I hear terrible rumours he’s not even an actual Unionist but salaried.

  • Harry J

    its bad when you cant even get a unionist to work for the unionist party

  • andnowwhat

    Lol Harry.

    Are we in real politics now? Sex scandals, corruption and unionists employing catholics?

  • Harry J

    no unionits employing non unionists to run their communication dept.

    Who mentioned catholics…ah yes you did.

  • Harry J

    no unionists employing non unionists to run their communication dept.

    Who mentioned catholics…ah yes you did.

  • Impartial Reporter

    You are right Harry, let’s employ people who can cure the gays instead – that’s a better use of money !!!!

  • Harry J

    no let a political party employ people who actually believe in them.

    Its like the labour party employing a thatcherite for their communications director.

    BEtter still, lets emply some TOry B+B owners who wouldnt have a gay around the place

  • Impartial Reporter

    Only black and white in your world then Harry?

    You can tell me what ‘Unionist’ means to you

    I’m sure everyone will agree

  • Mark McGregor

    Harry,

    Did Davy Sims demonstrate confidence as he took his long running website offline the moment he got involved with the UUP?

  • Harry J

    gee a unionist,,,wow someone who belives that Union between great britain and northern ireland should be maintained.

    NOt that hard, was it?

  • scarecrow

    Theres a lot of movement between the BBC and political parties, it’s not unusual, and from his background looks like he’s more than capable, so what is all the fuss about?

  • Drumlins Rock

    Can see the big deal, the last man to do the job wasnt a loyal prod either, Alex Kane is an Athiestic Republican I believe.

  • Harry J

    Alex Kane is an Athiestic Republican I believe. …

    how long did poor alex last and what did he acheive

  • Mark McGregor

    DR – good point.

  • Drumlins Rock

    BTW Mark, your postings are getting more and more like an edition of Sunday Life 🙂

  • lamhdearg

    posts 13 and 14 both at 10:17 The embarrassment of the blog.

  • Impartial Reporter

    And that’s it Harry? Just the one criteria?

    Very black and White.

    What about religious belief, support of the monarchy, support of British troops, involvement in europe, cultural heritage?

    Or is the one tick in the one box enough for the DUP these days?

  • Harry J

    What about religious belief, support of the monarchy, support of British troops, involvement in europe, cultural heritage?

    if you dont belive in the Union then youre not a unionist..really its not that hard.

  • Harry J

    Or is the one tick in the one box enough for the DUP these days?

    so are you talking about being a unionist or supporting a political party? can you make up youre mind?

  • joeCanuck

    What if you’re a moderate unionist?

  • The Raven

    Sorry…just so I can get this straight…we’re having a ping-pong debate here, because the UUP hired a Catholic, and he’s getting a wage?

    What? Are we stuck for tittle-tattle while Iris is out of the country..??

  • Impartial Reporter

    So you are saying that the DUP criteria for defining a Unionist is different from yours?

    I thought the DUP were supporters of the union, or do they, in your opinion, not share your ‘simplistic’ view?

  • Harry J

    Sorry…just so I can get this straight…we’re having a ping-pong debate here, because the UUP hired a Catholic, and he’s getting a wage?

    NOOOOOOOOOOo they hired someone who doesnt even believe in the Union…way to go.

  • Harry J

    #

    What if you’re a moderate unionist?
    Posted by joeCanuck on Mar 23, 2010 @ 10:34 PM

    what? you only moderately belive that NI should be part of the UK?

  • Harry J

    So you are saying that the DUP criteria for defining a Unionist is different from yours?

    I thought the DUP were supporters of the union, or do they, in your opinion, not share your ‘simplistic’ view?
    Posted by Impartial Reporter on Mar 23, 2010 @ 10:37 PM

    why are you obsessed with the DUP? go get some pictures of them and do whatever you have to

    You asked for my definition of a unionist and u got it, if you cant understand it then im very sorry for you.

  • old school

    Wasn’t there a Catholic Unionist, chairing Stormont in recent years?
    Sir John Gorman?

  • The Raven

    Harry J – I think they call it industry, commerce, the private sector, whatever. I believe they pay a thing called a “wage” in return for “services”.

    Do you think other parties in this sheep-infested Isle or indeed, on the bigger chunks of rock either side of us, haven’t brought in a PR company or media crowd when they need to train on TV interview techniques? Or buy an advertising spread? Or promote themselves in a new way? Or try and appeal to a new audience?

    Did you think when they asked the head-hunting company to go find them a “new media boss” that a criteria was: must also be Prod and Union-believing?

    I can see the Shinners calling McCanns and saying “listen, we like your work, really we do. But could you fire the Prods…?”

    You need to get out more.

  • old school

    Harry J. What about those who support the Union,support the Institutions of the Union, the armed defenders of the Union, and administer the laws of the Union, “for the foreseeable future” based on the “unionist consent” principe.?
    Are they Unionists?

  • Harry J

    Do you think other parties in this sheep-infested Isle or indeed, on the bigger chunks of rock either side of us, haven’t brought in a PR company or media crowd when they need to train on TV interview techniques? Or buy an advertising spread? Or promote themselves in a new way? Or try and appeal to a new audience?

    do you think the Labour party would hire a thaterite as communications director? Or the tories a marxist theirs?

    must also be Prod and Union-believing?

    i dont think ive mentioned religion , although you see obsessed by it.

  • Harry J

    the “unionist consent” principe.?
    Are they Unionists?

    OK im going to repeat this SLOWLY ok A UNIONIST IS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN MAINTAINING THE UNION BETWEEN GB AND NI

    really guys, its not hard to grasp.

  • alan56

    The notion that the effectiveness of Davy Simms could be dictated by his religion is frankly well.. a little sectarian. Whether he has a chance of turning things around is another matter altogether(and fair game for discussion) and surely has nothing to do with his faith.

  • Harry J

    The notion that the effectiveness of Davy Simms could be dictated by his religion is frankly well.. a little sectarian….

    all you guys seem OBSESSED with the guys religion, what is more important is his political outlook, can a non-unionist properly represent a unionist political party, esp one as dysfunctional as the UUP

  • Impartial Reporter

    We all have our obsessions Harry – yours seems to be the UUP.

    Who said ‘We attack most what we fear most’?

    I guess it was me.

  • lamhdearg

    Harry j
    i am not going to join in the bashing of you but this sort of thing has happened before,labor even chose a tory as their leader when they chose bliar/blair.

  • The Raven

    I’m not actually obsessed at all with the notion of religion in this case, so I’ll put what I said back to YOU in another way:

    Do you think that political parties ANYWHERE insist on those that they hire for services like this, must have the same outlook as they do? Seriously, is that what you think?

  • Harry J

    #

    We all have our obsessions Harry – yours seems to be the UUP.

    Who said ‘We attack most what we fear most’?

    I guess it was me.
    Posted by Impartial Reporter on Mar 23, 2010 @ 10:53 PM

    i think you are the one who has mentioned the DUP , not me

  • alan56

    There are many members of the Civil Service who have views that are not those of governemnt. Would that be a reason for deciding on their unfitness for the job. Does anyone really believe that all people working to promote the office of First and Deputy First Minister are members of the DUP or Sinn Fein?

  • Harry J

    Do you think that political parties ANYWHERE insist on those that they hire for services like this, must have the same outlook as they do? Seriously, is that what you think?
    Posted by The Raven on Mar 23, 2010 @ 10:56 PM

    for their communications director yes , most parties would want someone who shares their core beliefs

  • old school

    “We are prepared to administer British Rule in Ireland for the foreseeable future”
    Francie Molloy 1998.
    See, I’ve read your definition slowly, Harry, and just wondered if you saw this as “unionism”, albeit with a small and confused “u”.

  • Harry J

    There are many members of the Civil Service who have views that are not those of governemnt. Would that be a reason for deciding on their unfitness for the job,,,,,,,,,,

    this is a political party not the civil service. the party has to get over a certain message, hard to do if you dont beleive in that message

  • joeCanuck

    HarryJ,

    In reply to your query to me I was being sarcastic. There is a Nationalist, even SF, supporter on other threads who has recently taken to calling himself “Moderate Unionist”.

  • The Raven

    Harry, mate, you are so wrong.

    Most parties will want someone/some company who will come up with a media strategy that will help them win. They won’t care. That’s the reality.

  • Harry J

    See, I’ve read your definition slowly, Harry, and just wondered if you saw this as “unionism”, albeit with a small and confused “u”.
    Posted by old school on Mar 23, 2010 @ 10:58 PM

    i dont see anywhere in that statement where brolly supports maintaining the Union

  • Harry J

    Most parties will want someone/some company who will come up with a media strategy that will help them win. They won’t care. That’s the reality.
    Posted by The Raven on Mar 23, 2010 @ 11:00 PM

    go find out the background to the communications director (or their equivalent) of the tories, labour and Lib Dems and then tell me that again

  • old school

    Molloy not Brolly.
    So you can support the Institutions of the Union, and the armed defenders of the Union, without supporting the maintenence of the Union??

  • Keithbelfast

    Harry – Since when have Northern Irish parties ever been comparable with their English counterparts?

  • Harry J

    So you can support the Institutions of the Union, and the armed defenders of the Union, without supporting the maintenence of the Union??
    Posted by old school on Mar 23, 2010 @ 11:05 PM

    i really not going to say it for a 4th time.

  • It is an absolute disgrace that this chap should work on behalf of the Unionist party
    and not actually be a Unionist. For those in Ulster who have spent years carefully assembling and nourishing their prejudices it is grossly unfair if one assumes one is dealing with someone of a particular community background and then find out that they are from the opposite camp. The days of sectarian labelling are surely gone if we cant beleive what is says on the tribal tin.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • joeCanuck

    Sammy,
    You are just about to disappear up your own arse.

    Oh what I fool I am….

  • The Raven

    Harry – you made the original assertion – do the same and tell us all again.

  • iluvni

    Who is the DUP’s media boss?
    Any chance he could get us Diane Dodds’ expenses to read, like she promised 9 months ago?

  • JoeyC,

    As a proud protestant son of Ulster who spends his days toiling (no not trolling) with the complexities of rural life may I assure you that your transatlantic vegetative offerings on the entirely relevant subject of parsnips which you insist on inserting into most of your posts are at least appreciated by my goodself.

    …there is unfortunately a distrubance in the upper piggery and I will have to bid you good night.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • Mr E Mann

    I assumed the original poster was poking fun at sectarianism with the “not really a unionist” comment. Others seem to have taken it seriously. I’m inclined to assume noone would take a job as publicist for a political party unless he generally supported that party’s policies, but perhaps someone who knows what Sims’ views are should clarify before we waste too much oxygen.

  • joeCanuck

    hehehe. Good one; an improvement may I say.

  • Justin Case…

    Moderate Unionist

    Why not change your username? Or are you just trying to be an annoying little prick?

  • S in DC

    Who really cares if the guy is a unionist or not? Hell, a good bunch of key GOP lawmakers are gay, and they’re advocating for an agenda that argues for less personal rights for themselves solely to get voted into office. If he can do his job selling the unionist agenda effectively — one can separate personal views from work — it really doesn’t matter.

  • Davy Sims

    On the post < Davy Sims is the UU’s new press officer… > where Mick says he and I go way back, he means way back – 35 years or more. And while I count Mick as one of my oldest friends (and most trusted, too), I don’t think he would be able to tell anyone what my politics are. I doubt if any of my friends could. I tend to have boring conversations about social media and how great my kids are.

    So how does Mark McGregor, who I don’t know and I don’t think I have ever spoken to, know anything about my politics?

    So let’s cut to the chase – have I voted Ulster Unionist? Yes – not that it’s any of your business.

    Am I a member of the Unionist Party? No and never have been a member of any political party.

    As to being a Catholic what has that to do with anything? Who leaked that? Did someone hear me bless myself in Irish once? Or was it that dead giveaway of walking into a church? What are those scoundrels the UUP doing employing a left footer – or is it right footer? I can never remember. And how dare one of those Romanists dare have a have a UK view? Shame on me.

    Oh and just to add to the staggering accuracy of this Faux Post, my.co.uk and .com sites are suspended (although .co.uk is still pulling in Flickr as you will see). But the other – which was becoming my main site and pulls in one of my earliest blogs (therefore with the longest history of posts) is still there. But Mark, I’ll let you find that one.

  • Davy,

    fair play to you – ye boy ye. How you navigate around you own community background given that the UUP is a party with deeply ingrained sectarian tendencies as evidenced by the overlapping membership with the OO at senior party level and who, but only a few weeks ago, have invited the OO into talks on the political future of Ulster will inevitably be a source of keen interest. Which of course you know only too well.

    Telling it like it is not is probably the first item in your in-tray as you will no doubt try to spin the UUP out of the anti-agreement tangle it has got itself into. You will also have some fun trying to paint project UCUNF as anything other than an unmitigated disaster (though your own appointment does suggest some hope) and it would be interesting if you could point to a single concrete achievement since the unholy alliance got under way.

    ps The UUP Euro vote did not increase so please dont offer up that as an example.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • Garza

    Yeah but Sammy (MU) werent you saying that the UUP vote would collapse at the Euro elections? And yet, it didn’t.

    The day I seek politcal insight from you is the day I seekJohn Terry for maritial advice.

  • Garza,

    I believe the late, great, dashing, handsome and always astute Mr What Done it suggested that the UUP vote would not go UP but I understand he was very suprised by the how well the TUV fared.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • Mr E Mann

    >As to being a Catholic what has that to
    >do with anything?

    If comments on this thread are an index, it’s some of your own side’s supporters who are uncomfortable. You’re going to have to work that out irrespective of what is said here. I don’t see any comments above from nationalists claiming you don’t have a right to be a unionist if that’s where your opinions lead.

    I thought it was obvious the last sentence in the OP was a joke; perhaps some unionists protest too much at the implication they are sectarian.

  • DerTer

    How much more bold script do we have to put up with in one thread? (By the way, how do you get bold or italics into your posts?)

  • granni trixie

    Davy, sounds like you just want to approach the job as a professional. However, I am curious how at a human level you will manage your feelings in the context of having to work in an uninclusive culture (trying to avoid the loaded sectarian word here).

    But I mean it when I say good luck to you personally.

  • Driftwood

    Wasn’t Davy Sims predecessor an atheist? I don’t recall any antagonism there. The UUP has had elected Catholic reprenstatives. Meet one of them walking his dogs regularly.

    I have no idea if David Ford is religious, or Nick Clegg, or David Milliband or Mike Nesbitt or Trevor Ringland or…….

  • Der Ter

    Dont know about italics but jibber- jabber without the ‘Zs’ starts and ends Bold.

  • granni trixie

    Driftwood: but surely it is undeniable that the party DS is joining is 99% from one cultural background?

  • Driftwood

    granni
    Dunno
    Are Trevor Ringland and Mike Nesbitt from the same ‘cultural’ background as William McCrea?
    Was John Gorman?

    The DUP are all from the Bob Jones University of 6000 year old earth and anti science.

    The Conservative and Unionists tend to be much more diverse. Hence maybe the difficulties. The DUP, like the Chinese Communist Party and Sinn Fein, tend to not question the dear leadership.

  • Having known Davy for a few years, I was capable of appreciating his talents and skills without ever knowing (not even wondering) about his religious background.

    It seemed perfectly logical for him to now be filling Alex Kane’s gap and working for the UUP. Bang-your-head-off-the-wall challenging perhaps, but perfectly in line with kind of thing Davy would do well.

    It’s disappointing that religion had to be commented on, and disappointing that anyone would think that voting intention cound be inferred from religion.

    I’ll try and forget this new piece of information about Davy as soon as possible and allow him to go back to being the great guy that he is.

  • Framer

    Granni – if a party is highly one-sided why complain if they start to undo this, and then suggest the new recruit won’t be able to cope with the wrong sort of colleagues?

    Perhaps you would like a 50:50 policy for Unionist parties with exemptions for SF and the SDLP as their policies require the deracination of Protestant members.

  • granni trixie

    Who was complaining? Somebody well qualified wants a job, he got a job. I am not even presuming that he, personally, supports UU/Tories.

    I was merely curious as to how as an employee he will manage in a sectarian culture.

  • However, I am curious how at a human level you will manage your feelings in the context of having to work in an uninclusive culture (trying to avoid the loaded sectarian word here).

    Grannie Trixie

    No longer avoiding the “loaded” word then?
    Someone extremely well-qualified takes on challenging job, why could you not leave it at that?
    Do you not wish him well?

  • granni trixie

    oneil: He deserves a fair wind I agree.

  • YelloSmurf

    @DetTer and MU For italics the code is em as in Something that I want to italicise. When you take out the Zs it becomes Something that I want to italicise.

    Hope that helps.

  • DerTer

    MU and YS
    Many thanks- works perfectly

  • Rory Carr

    Whether or not Davy Sims is a Catholic (or a Zorastarian for that matter) perhaps ought not to matter but it would be naively simplistic to pretend that in Northern Ireland it is not remarkable in the sense of being something worthy of inviting remarks, whether of a positive or negative vein.

    Whether or not he is, as Alan in Belfast (and I am more than happy to accept Alan’s recommendation) assures us, a great guy or indeed a perfectly horrible beast however matters not a jot. It is not on his social skills, his performance in the hotel lounge bars, his charitable nature or even, say, his having the discernment and taste to be a supporter of Arsenal – it is not on such matters that we will judge him.

    A fair way to judge him would, I suppose, be on his success or failure in promoting the UUP and furthering its electoral prospects so that, if they were to improve upon the number of their elected representatives during his time we should count him a winner.

    But someone like me could not possibly be fair to him in this manner as I would be perfectly horrified at the idea of the UUP improving its electoral fortunes (the more so since its pact with the Tories) and the model of a successful Davy Sims in my eyes would be of one who so screws up that the UUP are consigned to ignominy, destitution, wrack and ruin and perpetual darkness.

    So, in that spirit, while wishing him every possible happiness and spiritual fulfillment in life, I can only but wish him total failure in the task which he has presently set before him.

  • West Sider

    Has Mark been shown the red card by Big Slugger? If so, then good.

    This site needs some editorial control and with that some editorial policy.

    It seems to allow adolescent wankers like Mark to post and run and then pull on his balaclava and do whatever he does to make his life whole, yet has journalistic giants like Brian Walker posting and engaging with his audience, not matter how truculent the posting gets.

    Furthermore, and on thread, what type of editorial policy allows a troubled adolescent to start a seedy thread speculating, without any published or verifiable source, on the political leanings or background of an individual is beyond me.

    Slugger needs an editorial policy and concurrent guidelines to match those news outlets it aspires to. Until then, it will never be taken seriously, and people like Mark – who for a brief period I had some respect for, but now have none – will be rightly pinned and dismissed as the damaged, intellectually inadequate, and self-loathing cranks they are.

    Slugger needs standards.

    And if it doesn’t get them soon, then I imagine this domain may go the way of the UDP site.

  • granni trixie

    Kiss of death when journalists start to show bias before one of their collegues even starts the job!

    Lets put down a marker: this man needs no favouritism (hope Mick is reading).

  • West Sider

    Another point – we all make spelling mistakes in our posts. But for a site to gain authority in the world wide web, then it needs to ensure its authors have a firm grasp of grammar and vocabulary.

    That is what sets the good from the bad, the respected from the click-away cranks.

    Mark and the editorial quality control on this site should know that ‘faux’ is not pronounced ‘fox’ and that Mark’s last post which had him once again donning that balaclava (and maybe half orange and plastic bag) only to wank over the criminals who trade under the name ‘dissident’ should have had an apostrophe in its ‘Scares. Its serious’ heading.

    That’s why proper news outlets have sub-editors – to pick up on these things, because they are important, and from that they draw their authority.