If at first you can’t convict him…try, try, try, beat, try, try, try again

Gary Donnelly has faced numerous failed charges of assualt on British police officers as a BBC report from September 2009 notes:

Irish News journalist Seamus McKinney gave evidence that Mr Donnelly had been bundled to the ground by police officers as he paused to acknowledge the crowd.

Judge Bates said he had been “impressed” by Mr McKinney’s evidence.

Speaking outside the court, Mr Donnelly said it was now the fourth occasion he had been charged with assaulting police and the charges had been dismissed.

In January even a British judge stated:

The District Judge said while there were a number of discrepancies in the evidence given by police officers during the trial, he believed the discrepancies proved that the officers had not colluded before giving their evidence.

“However, it surprises me somewhat that no-one took seriously enough Mr. Donnelly’s protestations that his arm was broken”, Mr. McElholm said.

Despite being only fined £450 at this stage, after appeal he was gaoled for seven months.

Then after being removed from the republican wing in Magheraberry Donnelly commenced a seven Hunger Strike. This appears to have stopped today with the ending of his segregatation from other republican prisoners.

  • Michaelhenry

    who ever suppurts an armed group like the real that killed no armed british soldiers,killed no cops killed no loylists in there 13 year history needs there head examined

  • Justin Case…

    ‘British polices officers’ and ‘British Judges’?

    I wouldn’t have though republicans would admit so openly that they remain part of the United Kingdom. Why not call them Northern Irish? At least then you could cling onto the hope that we live on the same Island makes us one nation.

    Violent ‘republicans’ are criminals. They are drug peddling, kid beating, knuckle dragging wasters who don’t deserve any special treatment

  • Medillen

    Gary Donnelly was segregated from the republican wing due to a Real IRA death threat against him for being an informer, as I understand. His choice of prison (7 months) over probation or community service which were both offered by the judge, has raised a few eyebrows in Derry as to why Donzo wanted to be incarcerated in the aftermath of the Ciaran Doherty murder. The outwash of this killing is yet to unfold.

  • Mark McGregor

    Medillen,

    Well, given the fact he has been returned to the republican wing – either the claims of a death threat were false or he has been deliberately put in a dangerous situation by the British state.

  • joeCanuck

    Obviously I know nothing about this man but it does seem to be a case of overzealous behaviour by the PPS. I’m surprised no one has highlighted the case of Christ Walsh who was denied justice for so many years and actually spent a long time in prison for what I can only call Prosecution misbehaviour.

  • joeCanuck

    Christy Walsh of course. They didn’t quite crucify him although they came close.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    My goodness……Mr Donnelly seems to have been having a run of bad luck. But he seems to have played a part in making his own bad luck. No sympathy from me.

  • IRIA

    The “death threats” against Donnelly smells of dirty tricks. On the flip side, he’s been in the news for so many over-the-top anti-British/PSNI antics, it almost seems like he’s trying to hard to look like a hardline republican.

  • Medillen

    Not to protest at this move out of the wing, would have confirmed the suspicisions of quite a few. We will see Mark, I am not ruling out either scenario that you have suggested.

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    Indeed. Despite the media coverage of the flimsiness of many cases against him you’ve already openly hoped republicans will be joining him in gaol via the same system.

    There are many like you.

  • Slartibuckfast

    There are many things we could call Gary Adair but ‘republican’ is not one of them.

  • Mark McGregor

    Slarti,

    Doh.

    Thank you.

  • Slartibuckfast

    Don’t mention it, Mark.

    Granted he may have a Celtic top but his attempts to murder innocent Irish families sort of cancel whatever republicanism that bestows on him. My definition of ‘Irish republican’ doesn’t include those who are mortal enemies of the Irish people, although I suppose it’s a broad term.

  • Seamus

    Granted he may have a Celtic top but his attempts to murder innocent Irish families sort of cancel whatever republicanism that bestows on him. My definition of ‘Irish republican’ doesn’t include those who are mortal enemies of the Irish people, although I suppose it’s a broad term.

    Where has he been charged with this.
    I`ve no doubt about the Celtic top but the other.
    Remember the bad old days when you were supposed to be inocent till proven guilty.
    Sorta proves his very point that nothing has changed for Republicans.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    MrMcGregor,
    Indeed there are many more like me than there are like you. Not that its very important.

    On the other hand its very importnat that there are many more people NOT like Mr Donnelly than are like Mr Donnelly.

  • Seamus

    Medillen.
    The reason Gary refused community service is he believes he is not a criminal, How ever much you would like him to be.
    By accepting the same he would have been accepting criminalisation of himself and what he believes in.
    There are still those whose principles can not be bought.

  • Medillen

    Seamus, I personally do not regard Gary Donnelly as a criminal, other things I am not so sure. However many others involved/associated with the Real IRA in areas such as Derry are total wasters and has/nearly beens with absolutely nothing to offer the commmunity that they come from.

  • Slartibuckfast

    [i]Where has he been charged with this.
    I`ve no doubt about the Celtic top but the other.
    Remember the bad old days when you were supposed to be inocent till proven guilty.
    Sorta proves his very point that nothing has changed for Republicans.[/i]

    Seamus, it’s that bad some of us are trying to escape to Gaza for a better life.

  • Michaelhenry

    there are still those whose principles can not be bought says the bold seamus, they cant fight a war either seamus is this why they are hardline, go figure

  • Paddy

    Just how much sympathy is there on the ground for RIRA type prisoners. “We love them yet, the felons of our land”. Time was Liam Adams’ brother would have been putting pressure on the establishment to support PIRA prisners. Are these guys just forgotten?

  • Comrade Stalin

    The reason Gary refused community service is he believes he is not a criminal, How ever much you would like him to be.

    The logic here is unfathomable. Why does choosing jail over community service make him any less of a criminal ?

    And I’ve never known “the boys” to create a load of bomb scares and hoax devices over their concern for some randomer they’ve never heard of. If someone goes to jail and this is followed up by a big load of rioting and/or bombscares, it’s pretty fucking obvious that a nerve somewhere has been touched.

  • Slartibuckfast

    Comrade Stalin,

    They’d have been some boys all right to have had in your army during the battle of Stalingrad. I wonder how the SS would have reacted to them turning up on the front line blowing whistles and chanting ‘RUC/SS’!

    An army. Fighting a war. A war in which the other side is not allowed to send you to jail for 7 months, but one in which you are allowed to try and murder the entire families of ‘troops’ from the other side.

    And yet with rules like that they still are fucking well losing. What a bundle of useless bastards.

  • old school

    I spoke to Gary a few months ago, after he was fined.
    Medillen (or meddling) claims he opted to go to jail due to the death of Doherty, and a British manufactured threat. The RIRA claimed within hours that there was no threat against him.
    I can tell you he went to jail, as he refused to pay a fine, sweep streets, or accept probation as he was adamant, he was innocent of the charge.
    Medellin wants him to pay the fine and don the criminals cap, everytime the Brits decide to stitch him up. That might be his approach, but not everyone is as servile.

  • Alias

    “My definition of ‘Irish republican’ doesn’t include those who are mortal enemies of the Irish people, although I suppose it’s a broad term.” – Slartibuckfast

    It’s a fallacious argument. He would argue that he is attacking the security services of a foreign state that occupies his country, and if those of his own nationality collaborate with it then they don’t grant it immunity from militant opposition. The Waffen-SS, for example, recruited thousands of French people in occupied France, but the French Resistance attacked it anyway. The fact that the foreign state that occupied France recruited members of occupied nation to assist in the implementation of German rule didn’t in any way mitigate the fact that it is a foreign state and that those who didn’t regard its occupation as legitimate would resist it.

    My own view is that the right to self-determination includes the right to renounce the right to self-determination and that is the nation does this as a collective in regard to a part of it within an occupied territory then individuals have no right to overrule the collective. The American view, however, is that the nation (insofar as it applies to the US) has no right to renounce its right to self-determination, and that any state that does this would be illegitimate as it would be committing treason against its own nation. So my view would see then as criminals, but views differ.

  • Slartibuckfast

    Alias,

    Well I would argue to him then the innocent families he tried to murder weren’t collaborating with anyone. So therefore he tried to murder innocent Irish people and so therefore he is an enemy of the Irish people. Who should all hope it’s his neck broken next time instead of his arm.

  • old school

    What innocent families are you accusing him of trying to murder, Slarti?
    You have been holding a personal vendetta against this man for several years now.
    Care to share something with us?
    Have you even met him?

  • Medillen

    Old school, so you spoke to Gary a few months ago, therefore all is well with the world. I will now bow out of this with nothing further to say.

  • Slartibuckfast

    Sorry, my mistake. It was one innocent family, in two attacks on the same night. His gang put a bomb under the family car of a cop’s sister, plus they bombed the same cop’s parents house. Still, the fact that the entity who ordered that attempt at mass murder had his poor wee broken is more of an outrage for some.

    No, I’ve never met him. Have you? Did you get an autograph?

  • lamhdearg

    If gary is in favor of the killing off people because they joined the army of their country and as a result get posted here, Even though they probably don’t even have a view as to whether ireland should be a single nation or not,And even though they are not on active service, Then i feel no pity for him, if the people that enforce the law break the law ( by percecuting someone illegally)then they should be proscuted themselves,

  • Ramzi Nohra

    Slarti – are you still doing shankill moaner?
    I couldnt find when I went looking for it the other day.

    cheers

  • old school

    First you said he was responsible for attempted mass murder, then backtracked with the catch-all “his gang”. Pretty sloppy.
    Putting a pipe bomb under an unoccupied car is mass murder now?
    God knows what you think of the First Minister and his Deputy Dawg given their past record.
    Why the obsession with this one guy with you?
    The only justification I’ve read on this thread is that he’s “fat” “wears a Celtic top”. Almost element of class snobbery.
    Another claims he got his arm broke, and put himself in jail to appear “hardline”.
    Is this a political forum or not?

  • Slartibuckfast

    Ramzi,

    I done one for Iris but the paper is mostly out of print now as it were.

    I want the chance to do another if the story regarding the LVF’s pastor and his fondness for some certain sex workers turns out to be true.

    What is the latest with that anyway can anyone allude to me? I have been out of the loop recently and have haven’t paid attention to much anything to do with politics.

    I think you can view the Iris one with this link:

    http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm129/slarti79/SMrobinsons.jpg?t=1269037415

  • Ramzi Nohra

    Thanks – very good.

  • Slartibuckfast

    [i]First you said he was responsible for attempted mass murder, then backtracked with the catch-all “his gang”. Pretty sloppy.[/i]

    Yes, his gang, genius. The one he leads. The one he ordered to wipe out this civilian Irish family. Because he loves Ireland, like.

    See how it works? [b]His[/b] gang?

    [b]His[/b]. See?

    Probably still you don’t see.

    [i]Putting a pipe bomb under an unoccupied car is mass murder now?[/i]

    No, it’s an attempt at mass murder.

    [i]Why the obsession with this one guy with you?[/i]

    I have no obsession with him. I just think he’s a subhuman gangster cunt. Just like I think Johnny Adair is the same. Doesn’t mean I’m obsessed with the horrible bastards.

    [i]The only justification I’ve read on this thread is that he’s “fat” “wears a Celtic top”. Almost element of class snobbery.
    Another claims he got his arm broke, and put himself in jail to appear “hardline”.
    Is this a political forum or not? [/i]

    Sorry, I don’t know what any of this means. If I put it through Babelfish would it come up any better?

  • old school

    You have a f*ckin obsession. You’ve singled him out for years.
    You claim to be a satirist but you never refer to Bobby Storey, Slab Murphy, or Gerry’s Brother as “sub human” “gangsters cunts” and hope they get “their necks broke by cops in the street”. You’d rather go for the easy target stuck in jail with no influential friends. Some political satirist.
    I’m not surprised you dont understand the last paragraph, I don’t get a lot of your “biting satire” either.

  • IRIA

    “Another claims he got his arm broke, and put himself in jail to appear “hardline”.”

    Forgot about his arm. I don’t think he’s an informer at all, just putting out what he would’ve had to have gone through to get his cred.

  • lamhdearg

    Calm down boys, I hope to learn from your knowledge of people/events, Lets keep it high brow.

  • old school

    Thanks for the clarification IRIA.

  • Slartibuckfast

    Old School,

    [i]”Stop picking on Gary Donnelly – it’s not fair so it’s not. What has this innocent leader of the RIRA ever done to be called nasty names on the internet.”[/i]

    Good satire, mate. Very funny stuff. Like it. Perfectly sums up the moping of the average supporter of the subhuman in question who tries to murder Irish families and then cries when the SS/RUC dare to do him a wee injury. Well done on that.

    More! More!

  • aquifer

    “why Donzo wanted to be incarcerated”

    Martyr complex anyone?

    Too many supervictims in this country, who wear their little relics of hurt around their neck and then go out and maim their innocent countrymen.

    Go find a consenting adult and stop pretending this has anything to do with the politics of our country.

  • old school

    Gary joined Sinn Fein circa 1987, when he was 16.
    Whilst in Sinn Fein he was well respected, and was later put in charge of organising Ogra Sinn Fein in the City. He supported the ceasefire of 1994 and campaigned for the All Party Talks initiatives.
    He was never suspended or disciplined by the party, in the time he spent with Sinn Fein.
    He was never charged with any non political activity, gangsterism, or any other allegations made in this thread.
    He left Sinn Fein over the decision to enter Stormont, and the issue of legitimacy bestowed on partition. This was 98.It was then that Sinn Fein, who previously held him in high regard, began their character assasination.
    He does not own any car, nor a holiday home, or even a house. Nor does he enjoy any signs of lavish wealth witnessed by those who backed the GFA Treaty. I doubt he even had the money to pay that fine.

  • Slartibuckfast

    [i]Putting a pipe bomb under an unoccupied car is mass murder now?[/i]

    That bit was my favourite though. “They only put a bomb under that woman’s car – you’d think by the way you’re going on they had broke her arm in a fight! You could all bloody well cry about it then.”

    Class stuff, Old School. Do keep it up.

    Is it any wonder they’re doing so well in the war?

  • Slartibuckfast

    [i]Gary joined Sinn Fein circa 1987, when he was 16.
    Whilst in Sinn Fein he was well respected, and was later put in charge of organising Ogra Sinn Fein in the City. He supported the ceasefire of 1994 and campaigned for the All Party Talks initiatives.
    He was never suspended or disciplined by the party, in the time he spent with Sinn Fein.
    He was never charged with any non political activity, gangsterism, or any other allegations made in this thread.
    He left Sinn Fein over the decision to enter Stormont, and the issue of legitimacy bestowed on partition. This was 98.It was then that Sinn Fein, who previously held him in high regard, began their character assasination.
    He does not own any car, nor a holiday home, or even a house. Nor does he enjoy any signs of lavish wealth witnessed by those who backed the GFA Treaty. I doubt he even had the money to pay that fine.[/i]

    “It’s all right that he targets children for murder because he has no car! Doesn’t that show that he’s a decent man!?”

    Mate, this stuff keeps getting better and better. You are actually a genius.

  • old school

    Slarti, can you share with us on what you are basing your allegations?
    The Sunday World or Sunday Life?
    “His gang” Come on Man. On what are you basing this?
    Put up or shut up.
    You like in Armagh yet you claim to know who does what in Derry.
    Just stick to your Paul Berry gags. It’s your forte.

  • Slartibuckfast

    [i]Slarti, can you share with us on what you are basing your allegations?
    The Sunday World or Sunday Life?
    “His gang” Come on Man. On what are you basing this?
    Put up or shut up.
    You like in Armagh yet you claim to know who does what in Derry.
    Just stick to your Paul Berry gags. It’s your forte.[/i]

    Sorry what, Old School? Are you saying that Gary Donnelly isn’t the leader of the RIRA in Derry?

    Ha ha ha ha!!! Brilliant. That is like something they would come out with. Ha ha ha ha!!!

    This is satirical, isn’t it? What you’re posting?

  • old school

    Post # 9

    I’m not obsessed” Slarti.
    Followed by Post #14, Post#17, Post#19….
    And not one funny or satirical.
    Still waiting for you to make your case, Slarti.

  • old school

    Why were’nt you claiming Kieran Doherty as a leading member in the City all these years?
    One. Because you never heard of him.
    And Two. You base your gags on tabloid titbits.

  • Mark McGregor

    I’ll have to close the comments for now. Apologies to those that are adults.