On that ‘robbery’ in Meigh…

It is notoriously difficult to get a clear picture of any controversial happening in an area in which paramilitaries are active. The bare bones of the ‘robbery’ in Meigh in south Armagh are bizarre to say the least. According to the BBC two men broke into the victims house and “demanded money from the man before shooting him twice in the legs. The men left empty-handed and are believed to have made off in a vehicle.”

But we understand there is some disquiet in the area over the ‘robbery’ story. One uncorroborated version Slugger has heard casts the ‘robbery’ as a punishment shooting for an incident that took place in nearby Dromintee. That’s something Slugger is no position to confirm. But it seems no less plausible than the robbery story.

  • I think we need to look again at Mrs Thatcher’s excellent suggestion that South Armagh should be relocated out of our great wee country and into the Republic.

  • Sammy Wilson’s calculator for the sums

    Always first to reply, Sammy. Bring back Laughing (Tory) Unionist.

  • Mick

    You will always have people who peddle their own lines for a vast variety of reasons. I would take such “uncorroborated versions” with a large pinch of salt.

    What is clear is that this attack should never have happenned.

  • What is clear is that parts of this country are still being run by the lunatics and sadists of the asylum. The things we put up with in the name of ‘republicanism’ beggar belief!

  • Mick Fealty


    Fair play.

  • jtwo

    I hear it could have been a Mossad wet-op gone wrong. But then again that could be a complete load of old toot.

  • Mick Fealty

    Just for the record, and before people get too carried away, my source is impeccable. It’s just that it is a single source, not two.

  • Rory Carr

    Shooting someone in the legs like that does rather suggest that this might have been an attack by a disgruntled loser on Strictly Come Dancing on a rival successful competitor.

    That’s something I am in no position to confirm. But it seems no less plausible than the robbery story.

  • jtwo

    The Surgeon…fight in bar…this is being touted around pretty widely

  • old school

    After every kneecapping these last few years, it is usually followed by the ubiquitous round of condemnation. In recent years the most zealous, in condemning this activity has been PSF, usually at the scene before the Press arrive, who use the occasion to bash “dissidents”.
    The complete lack of condemnation in the BBC article, and it´s quiet disappearance from media sources, had me bemused from day one.
    Both the PSNI and PSF have refused to put up spokespeople to call for information etc, as they usually do.
    This makes me think “good Republicans” may have been responsible

  • It makes me wonder just what you have to do to get arrested in this country!

  • old school

    Be a member of the wrong type of IRA,I assume, Pippa.
    Oh… and don´t play Wolfe Tones music near Orangemen.

  • West Sider


    Man shot in both legs in Meigh attempted robbery

    March 16, 2010

    By Brónagh Murphy

    A man was shot in both legs during an attempted robbery in Meigh at the weekend.

    The incident occurred shortly before 9.00pm on Saturday when two masked and armed men entered a house in the Gullion View area of the village.

    The intruders demanded money from the man before shooting him twice in the legs. They fled empty-handed and it’s believed they used a vehicle to escape.

    The victim’s injuries are not believed to be life-threatening and he was taken to Daisy Hill Hospital where his condition is said to be stable.

    Sinn Féin MP Conor Murphy condemned the attack and said: “The attack on this young man in the presence of his pregnant wife was wrong. The perpetrators of these type of attacks have no support for their actions and I would urge anyone with information relating to this to pass it on to the PSNI.”

    SDLP MLA, Dominic Bradley, described the incident as ‘absolutely chilling’.

    “Not all gangs that carry guns are really prepared to use them, but these men were. They will hurt and injure and they may well kill unless they are put quickly behind bars where they belong,” Mr Bradley said.

    “Anyone who saw anything or knows anything about them should contact the police before they select their next victim.”

    Voicing his condemnation, Sinn Féin councillor Packie McDonald, said: “The community is disgusted at this attempted extortion by a gang purporting to have a political agenda.

    “There is absolutely no support for this activity in south Armagh. This gang has nothing whatsoever to offer which would benefit our community.”

    Any other theories? I heard there were lights in the sky that night…

  • Rory Carr

    Perhaps, as is looking increasingly likely, the victim was shot in one leg by dissident Republicans who then shot himin the other leg when he refused to pin the blame on Provisionals in order to satisfy the prejudices of those desolate souls out there on the fringes of Irish society, alone and friendless with only the ghosts of yesterday’s wars to keep them company.

  • Mark McGregor


    I think Mick is just reflecting what is happening in the real world. The story as initially told clearly wasn’t acurate, is changing and the truth may be somewhat different from the early presentation by local elected reps of more than one party.

  • We will likely never know the real story but I must admit I like the idea of playing Wolfe Tones music as OO march by, loud enough to drown out whatever dirge they are playing. Ah well dreams, so much better or, of course, worse than reality.

  • Reader

    pippakin: We will likely never know the real story but I must admit I like the idea of playing Wolfe Tones music as OO march by, loud enough to drown out whatever dirge they are playing.
    ‘old school’ wasn’t mentioning a hypothetical case. In practice, playing Wolfe Tones songs near an Orange March is an ‘action likely to lead to a breach of the peace’. Just as playing The Sash at a Republican commemoration would also be.

  • old school

    Westsider, is this the same party that blamed the death of Robert Mc Cartney on “knife culture”, blamed the murder of RIRA man Joe O Connor on the CIRA,
    blamed the death of Garda Mc Cabe on “people unconnected to the Republican Movement.”
    Blamed the murder of Paul Quinn on “his criminal associates.”
    These guys invented the “no claim- no blame” approach ffs.

  • old school

    Pippakin if you don’t mind paying the 200 quid fine, knock yourself out.

  • Read, read and inwardly digest. I believe I was talking about dreams?

    You guys are such killjoys I cant even daydream, still I suppose as long as its only a daydream you are killing…

  • old school

    I wasn’t being hypothetical Pippa.
    A Derry mucker was fined 200 quid last week for listening to the Wolfe Tones in his car, as he passed an Orange “parade”.

  • socaire

    catwoman, have you spent time in the US?

  • joeCanuck

    old school,
    I don’t think he was just listening which is, I guess, fairly harmless but he was playing it at full volume with the car windows down as he passed the parade. Not only stupid but probably foolhardy too.

  • old school

    Joe, I’ve had Orangemen pass my house singing “up to our necks in Fenian blood,Surrender or you’ll die” All with a police escort.
    As they say in the Beeb…No arrests were made.

  • Reader

    old school: Joe, I’ve had Orangemen pass my house singing…
    Since when did Orangemen sing as they walked? You could try filling in a bit of corroborative detail here. Which lodge? Which march? Orangemen? Bandsmen? Followers? During the march or after?
    And in any case – the Parades Commission as it currently exists places restrictions on both marches and counter-protests. If you want the restrictions on the marching, accept the restrictions on the protests.

  • joeCanuck

    old school,

    I appreciate what you’re saying and I don’t think people should be marching where they’re not wanted.
    But you can’t complain about one and laud (or sympathize with) the other. Two wrongs do not make a right.

  • socaire!

    What a surprise, and not for some time, dare I ask why?

    old school

    The poor man was obviously just indulging my day dream. A pity he left his house first… I cant find it in me to blame him.

    Up to our necks in Fenian blood, Surrender or you’ll die? They have no talent have they…Do you know I have never heard one of their songs all the way through.

  • old school

    “Since when did Orangemen sing as they walked?” Reader.
    Americans used to say President Carter couldn´t walk and chew gum at the same time.
    Is this the same affliction?

  • joeCanuck

    Yes, pippakin. I don’t know if the parade was going to pass his house but, if they did, he could have played his music as loud as he wanted with no likely interference from the polis, provided it was not too late and annoyed the nextdoor neighbours. But from the court report it seems he was out to cause annoyance or, as the police like to put it, behaviour likely to…
    I was once threatened with being charged with that myself for something much lesser, fairly innocuous, putting up a swing for kids in a public estate (new, no playground yet) and an old fart took exception to the children’s laughter.

  • joeCanuck

    old school,

    That was Gerald Ford; he had a habit of falling off podiums as I recall.

  • joe

    Now that was unfortunate! I have no real objection to the parades, but it seems such a silly thing to, not just argue about, but ‘fight to the death’.

    It is, on both sides, a way of prolonging the centuries old agony, and you know what. It would not be allowed in the UK. It sounds like ‘incitement to racial hatred’ to me.

  • West Sider


    Yes, the same people. But that’s not my point. You claimed you were perlplexed for days by the non-appearance of Sinn Fein to condemn and ask for people to come forward to the police.

    Yet, for all your consternation and lack of sleep you didn’t even read a single other news report which contained those statements. Such was the strength of your determination to get to the truth.

    That was my point. And so, in your warped world they are damned when they do come out and condemn and call for people to come forward to the police, and damned when they don’t.

    You don’t seem to have a consistent position beyond a crippling, mentally damaging and morally corrupt hatred of Sinn Fein.

    Still, your friend’s story raised a laugh, if you judge a man by the company he keeps…

  • West Sider

    Correction: morally corrupt should read morally corrupting.

  • mexican

    he punched the head of the surgeons brother paul fri night in dromintee hall.and sat night he got capped .now who knows but surely these guys have to be in the frame..also werd has it he had that many enemies god knows who done this to him.word round the camp fire has it the guy who was done was a proper upstart who would figh with himsely if there was no one around .it was no robbery gone wrong thats for sure

  • lamhdearg

    thank you mex, this post had gone of tangent slightly.

  • lamhdearg

    Who is surgeon? two much to ask?.

  • sdelaneys

    ‘surgeon’, British security services name for a prominent Provisional IRA member, featured in Toby Harnden’s ‘Bandit Country.’ Another was called ‘The Undertaker’ and so on. We can’t just name him on a blog .

  • lamhdearg

    I shall work on from that, thanks.

  • Ramzi Nohra

    i think he is named on wikipedia incidentally.
    But i agree we shouldnt do so here.

  • sdelaneys

    West Sider,

    Good to see you giving the Crossmaglen Examiner a boost by posting an article from it showing how vocal Sinn Féin is in it’s condemnation. Here’s another one which shows how selective their condemnation is and that very selectivity calls the nature of all their condemnations into question..
    Destruction of billboard will not deter quest for justice: Quinn family
    March 9, 2010

    By Brónagh Murphy

    The parents of murdered Cullyhanna man, Paul Quinn, say the recent destruction of the newly-erected billboard regarding their son’s death will not deter them from seeking justice for him.
    Just two weeks ago the massive sign was erected in Crossmaglen town centre, replacing one which had previously been attacked four times.

    The notice, which read: ‘Murder! Is this the ‘peace’ you signed up for?’ also carried images of the dead man and the manner of his brutal death. Constructed of reinforced steel and timber, the billboard was prominent and instantly conspicuous on the edge of The Square. However, in the early hours of Wednesday morning it was set on fire resulting in its complete destruction. Fire crews were called upon around 3.00am to extinguish the blaze.

    The act has been vehemently condemned by the Quinn Support Group and SDLP representatives in the area, who have blamed republicans and elements within Sinn Féin.

    Paul Quinn’s mother, Breege, thanked those who have supported her family’s campaign and said: “It seems some people cannot bear to look at things which remind them of how they slaughtered our Paul. Well, they will have to look at them.

    “This campaign of destruction against our posters is clear and incontrovertible evidence of how desperate the murderers are to remove all evidence of our justice campaign. Our efforts to seek justice for Paul will continue,” she added.

    Chairman of the Quinn Support Group, Jim McAllister, accused ‘Sinn Féin-type republicans’ of waging a ‘malicious campaign’ against the Quinn family.

    “This shameful behaviour began in November 2007 after our public meeting in Crossmaglen and has continued ever since,” he said.

    “On several occasions we have publicly called upon Sinn Fein representatives to call for an end to this vicious attack on the memory of a young man who was callously beaten to death, but Sinn Fein still stay silent. Their councillors can talk at length about other matters of vandalism and thuggery, but when it comes to attacks on the Quinn support group, they fall strangely silent.

    “We also hear regularly about ‘safety groups’ who claim to be on top of things in south Armagh but they too are mysteriously silent about vandalism, theft, thuggery and arson when these things are inflicted on the Quinn Support Group.”

    SDLP Councillor, Geraldine Donnelly, said the attacks on the billboards and posters were causing great pain to Paul’s family and friends.

    “Over the last year or so, more and more people have come out openly in support of Breege and Stephen. We have seen that in the turnout at campaign fundraisers and events. It took courage, since everyone knows who killed Paul and why, but they are prepared to show their faces and do what is right. Those who destroyed the billboard wear masks like Paul’s murderers and skulk in the night,” she said.

    “I want to tell the murderers now that the billboard will go back up, all the posters will go back up, the campaign will go on, there will be justice and they will be caught.”

    Expressing his condemnation, SDLP MLA Dominic Bradley, said: “Since the end of January there has been a concerted effort to tear down the posters calling for co-operation with the PSNI and Gardai which have hung around Cullyhanna and Crossmaglen since shortly after Paul’s murder in October 2007.

    “We need to be very clear that the murderers and their organisation are active again, organising again, working hard to suppress the family’s campaign for justice for Paul. We all know what that organisation is – the Provisional IRA. The destruction of the billboard and posters should not get political cover and I would call on Sinn Fein to condemn those responsible,” he said.

    Police have appealed to anyone who was in the area and who witnessed the incident to contact them

  • sdelaneys

    Honesty being the best policy I must say that I am now coming to the view that the man being alluded to here had nothing to do with this incident and coincidence may well have been at work.

  • That won’t stop those with their own agenda peddling the usual muck

  • West Sider


    you obviously haven’t grasped my point. It is not about SF’s past attitude to this type of violence, it is about a person who confessed themselves perplexed and troubled by the absence of a SF statement in the news report they read about a story which obviously meant a lot to them, and yet they didn’t bother to read a single other news story about this – and The Examiner was only one of many which carried those quotes – even though they profess to be determined to get the truth.

    That was my point. But I do admire your honesty.

  • old school

    Westsider, I don’t have access to every provincial newspaper, I noted that the Sinn Fein response was a hell of a lot more muted compared to the checkpoint in Meigh in which no-one was hurt.

    Chris. Guess what? PSF also have an agenda. and are also known to peddle some muck at times.Indeed, see their pronouncements regarding this incident.

  • West Sider


    You’ve certainly the time to post on this site all day, every day and twice on a Sunday. And those statements weren’t just carried in the local press, I got that from a 2 second Google search.

    Google? Ever heard of it.

    I stand by what I said about you, and your comments since have only re-affirmed that. It took you all this time to come back with that.


    Rory C has you pinned beautifully.

  • Old School

    I see no muck in these statements. I do see some on this site trying to implicate people who had no involvement.

    That is not only dishonest but dangerous.

  • old school

    “Dangerous” is killing a member of the RIRA then blaming the CIRA in the media. Joe O Connor.
    “Dishonest” is beating a guy to death, branding him a criminal then blaming his “associates” for the killing.Paul Quinn
    Forgive me for not taking your press statemnts too seriously.
    Some neck on ye, Chris.

  • West Sider

    press statemnts

    Troll. A ghastly and most frightful troll.

  • I have never issued a press statement old school.

    I see you failed to challenge my post; that is progress.

  • old school

    Gaskin , unless you’re aware of who’s behind every bit of skullduggery in South Armagh, you’re talking out your hole.
    Sorry Westsider, that’s “statements”.

  • I never claimed to be “aware of who’s behind every bit of skullduggery in South Armagh”.

    Stop inventing strawmen and deal with the issues at hand or else walk off the field and throw your tantrum.

  • old school

    “stop inventing strawmen”
    “deal with the issues at hand”
    “walk off the field”
    “throw your tantrum”
    Jesus, but Shinners love a cliche.

  • Your not worth debating with old school

  • Whats a poor nationalist to do? A rose between two thorns…

  • sdelaneys

    Ah, Rose, poor old rose.

  • Ah but the rose is only a rose because of, the rose. In the end the thorns are neither here nor there. It is in the end the triumph of the rose…

  • sdelaneys

    And what about the bees and the butterflies? Do they not play a wee part too, mz prickly? And which came first? This is getting a bit Oliver St John Gogartyish!
    Molly through the garden
    Laughed and played with me,
    And the gate unbarred in
    To the rosery.

    Just she said to show me
    How the roses grew,
    And when she would show me,
    Ask me if I knew

    Which of all was fairest,
    Crescent bud or rose,
    Till I guessed the rarest
    She would not disclose.

    Laughing little lady,
    All her features shone
    Like a star whose body
    And whose soul are one.

    So I went intending
    To please her if I could,
    Pondering then, and bending,
    Pointed to the bud.

    But the moment after
    Saw her face illume
    With a peal of laughter
    Reaching for the bloom.

  • sdelaneys


    And still a rose, in bud or in bloom. Like Ireland.

  • sdelaneys

    Good night pippakin.

  • Reader

    pippakin: Beautiful!
    Funny and still beautiful if you read *between* the lines.

  • Reader

    At one in the morning and a bit the worse for wear, you are lucky if I can still see the lines!

    I thought it best to keep to the straight and narrow, as any nationalist would.

  • sdelaneys

    Seems to be suggestions here that Mr Gogarty might have produced double meaning verse! Here’s another of his


    Goosey Goosey Gander
    Where do you mmmmm
    Upstairs and mmmmmmm
    In a lady’s mmmmmmm?