Taking a page out of whose book?

The visit of Zion Evrony, Israeli Ambassador to Ireland, to Carrickmacross has caused a minor diplomatic incident with Sinn Feín’s Matt Carthy first calling a protest and then successfully pushing a motion through the Council which called for removal of the Ambassador’s entry in the guest book.

This year Sinn Féin’s Ard Fheis will again debate a motion on Palestine. The motion would seem consistent with Sinn Féin’s previous positions on Palestine and Cllr Carthy’s pronouncement:

For Carrickmacross Town Council to be associated with this ‘rogue government’ is an affront to the Palestinian people who, only one year ago, were the subject of an unrelenting aerial and ground attack by Israeli forces in their Operation Cast Lead.

Well consistent until May of last year when Ron Prosor, Israeli ambassabor to Britain, met with Gerry Adams and also Deputy First Minister McGuinness during a visit to launch NI Friends of Israel. Or was that page and the lack of protests around it ripped out of a book too?

  • Alias

    “Israel has nuclear weapons .”

    Exactly, which has the rather favourable outcome of neutralising those anti-Israeli muppets who think that the continued existence of Israel is in any way within their discretion. 😉

  • Alias

    Remind me, how is Pakistan doing these days?

    I will tell you bluntly, anyone who professes to be a friend of Israel and to prove it acts as an uncritical cheerleader is about as useful in the long run as a chocolate teapot.

    it would not surprise me at all if many of these types turned out to be anti-semitic, if you look at the history of zionist they have had some very strange bedfellows, admittedly in this they are not dissimilar to the arabs.

    All the best

  • Alias

    What are you thinking? Israel and Pakistan with nuclear weapons are the most dangerous states in the world today.

    Israel: a fascist country with a fanatical government.

    Pakistan: teetering on the brink of being taken over by their own fascists, who are on the opposite side to the Israelis!

    Mickhall

    I agree with you as you know on Israel. I think we will live to see a united Ireland, but as for a socialist 32 counties? I dont think so. Kind and generous people: yes. Socialist: no.

  • Alias

    Well, speaking to melting teapots, how many posts have you written on your Blog condemning attacks by Hamas? None that I can see, Mick, yet you will uncritically attack Israel’s self-defence at every opportunity. Here you are again attacking what you see no doubt as an act of state-sanctioned murder by Israel, but without any attempt to balance it with an acknowledgement that the dearly departed was a vicious murderer of unarmed civilians and with no condemnation by you of the murder campaign that he was involved in.

    As for Israel, it has more than its fair share of brainwashed haters, but these dupes will not decide its future. Israel will defend its right to self-determination and its security by all means at its disposal. Instead of pouring your hot teas into a chocolate teapot and thinking that serves Hamas in any way, you’d be a far better friend to the Palestinians if you encouraged to renounce their support for terrorism and look to Israel as a friend and neighbour. That’s the only way that the two state solution will come about.

  • Alias

    I hope you may be right, but if all the Israelis offer after being dragged kicking and screaming to the negotiating table is the scrap of desert they dont want it aint going to work.

  • RepublicanStones

    Alias does Hamas recieve a blank cheque each year from the USA? Are they routinely labelled democrats, beacons etc?
    And the palestinians have always employed peaceful means. Since before the creation of the state of Israel, when the UN was petitioned, to the likes of the Al-Ard party in the 1950’s through to the likes of Sabeel, Adameer, and organised non-violent resistance to the wall in places like Bil’in. You do not hear much about this in the west as it doesn’t fit ‘the narrative’. Israel then brings in innovative legislation to strangle this peaceful resistance and as is happening with increasing frequency, arrests the ‘ringleaders’ of this peaceful resistance. Hamas and Fatah are more popular because peaceful resistance bears no fruit. Furthermore the snide condenscending tone from Israeli supporters towards Palestinians and their supporters use of ‘lawfare’ demonstrates the plea that Palestinians use peaceful means, is a hollow one. And look what periods of peace bring, continued eating of the West Bank, and what looks like asassinations in far flung places.

  • slappymcgroundout

    And the palestinians have always employed peaceful means…

    Are you drugs? Peaceful means? Kiryat Shmona. Maalot. Munich. The murder of Wasfi. The murder of Cleo Noel, Jr., George Curtis Moore, and Guy Eid in the basement of the Saudi Embassy in Khartoum, and according to the then President of Sudan, the late Mr. Arafat personally gave the execution order. Then there’s Leon Klinghoffer, an American cripple in a wheelchair who was first murdered and then thrown overboard. Your peace loving friends otherwise gave piracy an in the air dimension and introduced hijacking to our vocabulary. See Operation Thunderbolt aka Operation Jonathan. Your peace loving friends plotted to assassinate the heads of State of their fellow Arab nations and so Morocco arrested 14 of the miscreants. They invaded the Eygptian Embassy in Madrid and held the Egyptian Ambassador and two others hostage. The held hostage the OPEC ministers meeting in Vienna. They destroyed the Lebanese state. They were engaged in operations against Israel and the West while Jordan still ruled the West Bank and Egypt the Gaza Strip. So, please, kindly familiarize yourself with our history.

  • RepublicanStones

    Slappy by trying to portray the Palestinians as only ever opting for violence, your bias is easily revealed. And unfortunately for you, the product your pushing is one Im not buying, precisely because I know the history. Try selling your ‘narrative’ elsewhere. Perhaps you might have better luck on one of your fraud peddling sites.

  • Alias,

    Chocolate teapot or not, you have proved by many of your posts to slugger you are a very thoughtful person, yet when it comes to Israel you demand of the Palestinians a standard of behaviour which the Israeli State simple does not abide by.

    If you add up the number of violent attacks Hamas have sponsored against Israelis, and then look at Israel’s violent attacks upon Palestinians, then you get some understanding of just how appalling the Israeli State has behaved.

    Israel’s supporters such as yourself, always highlight suicide bombers or home made rockets, but in truth what is the differences between the latter, and death by a missile or artillery shell, I can see in the act alone none, beyond one is carried out by the weak and the other by the powerful, normally a State agency.

    And there is the rub, both are equally appalling, but as Trotsky wrote, “let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court of morality!”

    As Republican Stones points out, for some reason, [which it is worth pondering over] western governments have allowed Israel to act in a way they would find unacceptable from any other government.

    There are two reasons why I hold Israel higher to account than I do Hamas. The first is background and history, admittedly not a sound footing to base our political opinions on but most of us do. Secondly, Israel, by refusing to abide by the UN resolutions and withdraw from the occupied territories, is clearly the main perpetrator. Under the UN charter as far as I can judge the Palestinians have every right to hit back at their tormentors.

    Hamas has offered Israel a long term ceasefire in return for what most unbiased people would regard as reasonable terms. Israel and their US financiers and armorers refuse to accept these terms unless Hamas recognises the Right of Israel to exist.

    As even the most dim witted must see, by offering to enter into a ‘long term’ ceasefire with Israel, Hamas is doing just that, but that is not good enough, indeed in my view nothing would be, beyond the leadership of Hamas walking over hot coals naked with a crucifix up their arses along with a tattoo on their backs of a verse from the Torah .

    The PLO for decades refused to recognise Israel’s right to exist, but eventuality changed tac and did so. By making this compromise before entering into the final phase of negotiations, the PLO inadvertently played into Israel hands and set back the process as since then meaningful negotiations between the PLO and Israel have remained deadlocked due to Israeli intransigence.

    Israel is playing a very long and imo foolish game, its purpose is to populate with Jews the west bank and east Jerusalem, eventually making any Palestinian State within these areas non viable. Hence it is in its interest to stall all and any relevant negotiations, it regards each compromise the Palestinians make as a small victory for Israel’s overall strategy, which is basically to drive the Palestinians into the desert.

    Hamas understands it must hold firm and endure and await better days, whilst attempting to keep their struggle in the media spotlight, much as the old PLO used to act.

  • slappymcgroundout

    The company that Ireland keeps, by way of the vote on the resolution arising from the Goldstone Report:

    In favour: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Benin, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Comoros, Congo, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

    Against: Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Netherlands, Palau, Panama, Poland, Slovakia, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Ukraine, United States.

    Abstain: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Colombia, Costa Rica, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Georgia, Greece, Iceland, Japan, Kenya, Latvia, Liberia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montenegro, New Zealand, Norway, Papua New Guinea, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Samoa, San Marino, Spain, Swaziland, Sweden, Tonga, Uganda, United Kingdom, Uruguay.

    Absent: Bhutan, Cape Verde, Côte d’Ivoire, Equatorial Guinea, Honduras, Kiribati, Kyrgyzstan, Madagascar, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Togo, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Vanuatu.

    Some good company there for ole Eire, champions of human rights all.

    Lastly, for the Jew-hating nature of thing, and here, consider the Jew-haters at If Americans Only Knew, who post on their pathetic site the fact that there are scores of resolutions condemning Israel but none against the Palestinian Arabs:

    “If the critic holds Israel to the same standard as any other country and conversely subjects other countries with worse human rights records to the same judgmental attitude complete with academic boycotts and disapproving motions made at the UN, then he’s an unbiased critic.

    If his contempt and efforts to punish are directed exclusively toward Israel, a country that cannot be judged by any objective criteria as the only or even worst human rights abuser on the planet, then he is an anti-semite.”

    And that’s how we know. Since there are a rather large number of states far worse than Israel when it comes to the matter of human rights, but yet ole Eire and her citizens aren’t moving to boycott them. Ditto the If Americans Only Knew crowd. The auto majority is 120, and so there will never be a resolution against the Pal Arabs, since the 120 [Non-Aligned Movement and Arab-Muslim states] just can’t have that. Thankfully, the US veto in the Security Council saves us from total disgrace.

  • RepublicanStones

    Slappy would you care to list the human rights abuses which the United States is guilty is, from its inception, right up to the present? I think we can agree the list will be quite long. I don’t think the rest of the company from those voting against is anything to blow your horn about. And thank god the Israel lobby in Ireland amounts to just Alan Shatter and a few other apologists.

    who post on their pathetic site the fact that there are scores of resolutions condemning Israel but none against the Palestinian Arabs:

    Ehh Slappy, Palestine is not yet a recognised state, and as such the Palestinians only have observer status at the UN. Im not sure if a non-state can have a resolution passed against it. But there have been plenty of resolutions condemning violence which also emanates from both sides, and that includes the Palestinians.

    Resolution 1860 (2009)

    Adopted by the Security Council at its 6063rd meeting, on 8 January 2009

    5. Condemns all violence and hostilities directed against civilians and all acts of terrorism;

    or this…

    Resolution 1894 (2009)
    Adopted by the Security Council at its 6216th meeting, on
    11 November 2009

    1. Demands that parties to armed conflict comply strictly with the obligations applicable to them under international humanitarian, human rights and refugee law, as well as to implement all relevant decisions of the Security Council and in this regard, urges them to take all required measures to respect and protect the civilian population and meet its basic needs;

    2. Reiterates its condemnation in the strongest terms of attacks in situations of armed conflict directed against civilians as such and other protected persons or objects as well as indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks and the utilisation of the presence of civilians to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations, as flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and demands that all parties immediately put an end to such practices;

    or this….

    Resolution 1435 (2002)
    Adopted by the Security Council at its 4614th meeting,
    on 24 September 2002

    Condemning all terrorist attacks against any civilians, including the terrorist bombings in Israel on 18 and 19 September 2002 and in a Palestinian school in Hebron on 17 September 2002,

    1. Reiterates its demand for the complete cessation of all acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and destruction;

    4. Calls on the Palestinian Authority to meet its expressed commitment to ensure that those responsible for terrorist acts are brought to justice by it;

    I suggest you have read of resolutions in the future, have you even read the latest Goldstone resolution? It contains the following…

    Condemning all targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure and institutions, including United Nations facilities,

    3. Calls upon the Government of Israel to take all appropriate steps, within a period of three months, to undertake investigations that are independent, credible and in conformity with international standards into the serious violations of international humanitarian and international human rights law reported by the Fact-Finding Mission, towards ensuring accountability and justice;

    4. Urges , in line with the recommendation of the Fact-Finding Mission, the undertaking by the Palestinian side, within a period of three months, of investigations that are independent, credible and in conformity with international standards into the serious violations of international humanitarian and international human rights law reported by the Fact-Finding Mission, towards ensuring accountability and justice;

  • RepublicanStones

    And that’s how we know. Since there are a rather large number of states far worse than Israel when it comes to the matter of human rights, but yet ole Eire and her citizens aren’t moving to boycott them.

    Slappy, indeed there are states with worse records than Israel (but few as long). But how many times must it be said. Do those states recieve a blank cheque each year from the West’s only superpower? Are those states routinely labelled as democracies, becaons and lights unto other nations? Furthermore are they the recipients of diplomatic relations which are shameful given their human rights abuses? Furthermore, the Irish media is full of the human rights abuses in other states, yes…even the Arab ones. Now if there is a double standard, then it is infact in Israel’s favour. Because, no other human rights abuser (an a consistent one at that) recieves so much a financial and military aid nevermind diplomatic support and friendship anywhere near the level Israel does.

  • slappymcgroundout

    Stones: Re Alan, you mean the soul who wrote the piece in the one Irish paper about how pathetic it was for Dev to offer his condolences to the Nazi state on the death of Hitler? He seems to be one of the few in your part of the world with any sense. Well, him and Mr. Bruton (who apologized on behalf of Dev and Ireland when Taoiseach). Alan’s piece:

    http://tinyurl.com/ykboruc

    By the way, as you can imagine, I lean Fine Gael all the way (and if for no other reason than two words: Beyond Neutrality). To make some, many, in NI want to hurl (vomit):

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/1820

    Rather rich, yes? Aiding FARC and its child soldiers. Aiding ETA. Aiding the PLO/Fatah/Hamas. Strictly neutral? Our man in the RIRA, now deceased, by the side of the road, must have sold some really good dope to Sinn Fein, since you’ve got to be well and truly stoned to be Sinn Fein and profess a neutrality.

    One more from Alan, semi-related, in the sense of having compassion for other humans:

    http://www.finegael.org/news/a/2468/article/

    And, TF, to borrow from Jimi, I’ll see you in the next world and I won’t be late. And for Eire, forget the f’in boycott and care for the likes of TF. Call it time better spent. Thanks.

    Now, since you “love” those “watch” organizations:

    http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1359197/k.6748/UN_Israel__AntiSemitism.htm

    And also:

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq_palestine_un_anti_israel_bias.php

    This pretty much sums it up:

    “The UN has repeatedly held Emergency Special Sessions of the General Assembly on Israeli construction in Jerusalem. The Emergency Special Session was originally convened in 1950 for emergencies like the Korean War. In the last 15 years, these special meetings have only been held regarding Israel. Emergency Special Sessions were not convened over the genocide in Rwanda, ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia, or with regard to the other major world conflicts, but they were convened to condemn Israelis moving into buildings they own in territory they have a legitimate claim to.”

    Sorry, Stones, but that speaks for itself, and rather loudly.

    Lastly:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QYifo19scI

    And so the Goldstone resolution deserves but this same treatment:

  • RepublicanStones

    Slappy, you seem to think Alan was taking a brave stand in his piece against dev. FFS I have never heard anyone try and defend his ‘neutrality to a fault’ position (even though neutrality was actually hevaily weighted towards the allies), and what on earth has Shatter’s piece on TF got to do with the price of milk?

    And your beloved ‘watch’ site comes up with this beaut..

    Together, they have made the UN into Ground Zero for today’s new anti-Semitism, which is the irrational scapegoating of Israel with the true intended target being Jews.

    Yeah, the UN is ground zero for anti-semitism. Nicely ignoring that Israel does NOT equal judaism and also ignoring the many anti-semites who are strong supporters of Israel, As Herzl said they would be. And regarding the youtube vids…shall we watch some of the victims from israel’s massacre in Gaza?

  • RepublicanStones

    And Slappy, Zionism is a most unsavoury and odious ideology, based on sectariansim and myth. It is a pity the UN revoked that resolution. But I guess the fact it did is probably more evidence of its ‘anti-semitism’ isn’t it?

  • Paddy

    Alias: Calling Sean Russell and Frank Ryan (buried by Commies) Nazi collaborators is a bit rough. I hope you are not one of the cowards who vandalise his statue in the wee witnessless hours. The Pervies were embarrassed about hteir former “gallant allies in Europe” and so went shopping for arms in the wrong places (USA).
    One of the Jews who “collaborated” with Hitler was later whacked in Israel. He saved thousands of Hungarian Jews from the Nazis by paying ransoms.

    Read the Commie Arthur Koestler (a rapist. Not so much Wretched of the Eearth but later works where he explains that Greece, an Ally, was fascist and how the USSR, another ally, was not very nice.

    Israel is a brutal, parasitic country. As it is so good at playing the victim, it has Irish support and even a Holocaust Centre now.

    Time to bring up the Limerick “pogrom” now I guess.