“and I intend to get therapy.”

Monday’s Irish News spotted the quote of the week from Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams in the interview with Ryan Tubridy. On being “told” “around 19 – 96” that his father was an abuser, the re-selected Sinn Féin candidate for west Belfast said

“I got professional help and I intend to get therapy.”

Don’t forget to let us know how that works out…

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  • skullion

    I think you need therapy to deal with your total fixation with Gerry Adams.

  • John O’Connell

    Imagine had Gerry got help in his teenage years we would only have had to deal with Paisleyite madness. The troubles might have been avoided.

  • Marlaghman

    1# Get real. Did he get therapy on the murder and mayhem he caused to the people of Northern Ireland as a member of the IRA. O dear “I was never a member of the IRA”
    The real truth needs to be told and why not start with Gerry (I am a Saint) Adams. No sympathy here. Reap what what you sow

  • iluvni

    What is it with Adams and Robinson?
    First Robinson goes off to work after the wife, we are told, attempted to take her own life. Now, we are informed, that Adams wife had cancer surgery last Thursday, yet he’s off the next day to Dublin to do a TV show.
    Strange priorities.

  • skullion

    Marlaghman

    I was merely pointing out that every day we have yet another Pete Baker blog on Gerry Adams.It is tedious and petty.Gerry Adams in therapy.Who gives a fuck.

  • Jaggers

    What’s the implication? That Gerry’s a nutcase? Or that events in the past forty years should have been enough of a prompt for therapy decades ago? To deal with and maintain family relationships with Aine or Liam may indeed require therapy, not just some friendly advice, personal or professional. Personally I think the post stigmatises people facing difficult personal trauma, get over it, this is 2010 and therapy is seen as being as good for the mind as the gym is for the body. Do people even know what therapy is? Didn’t it used to be electroshock therapy? These days it’s probably congitive behavioural therapy (CBT) or similar and is seen as an effective way to cope with and deal with personal issues like sexual abuse in your family.

  • skullion

    I doubt there are many people who think child abuse tedious or petty.

    If Gerry Adams is, at last, getting therapy, I am pleased for him, and have to say it is not before time.

  • Fabianus

    iluvni,

    “Strange priorities.”

    They’re politicians; they are not as other men.

    To which I might add: Thank the living fuck for that.

  • Marlaghman

    Skullin it is right to keep his name in the news every day as the victims of his brothers abuse must be kept to the fore, and his failure to report what he knew properly,”this is child abuse” not some brave act for the RM, also what abuse the RM had done and was brushed under the carpet, or was accepted as being ok, by the then leaders of RM.
    The whole truth needs to be told and not just Gerry’s side as we must remember that he has being telling lies for the past 30 years and as we see from the past couple of months he has not changed his ways.
    He may say what his views are on Jesus but before he can walk with him he needs to repent and confess his sins to God and also to all the victims/survivors in Northern Ireland

  • skullion

    Pippakin

    Where did i say child abuse was petty?Pete’s obsession with Adams started long before his brother’s alleged crimes came to light.

  • skullion

    I dont know how long Mr Baker has been posting about Gerry Adams but surely he is right to do so. No one who deliberately puts himself in the public eye has the right to dictate what, when and how much information is allowed. I can see some obvious exceptions, for example he is public but his family ordinarily would not be. The allegations of child abuse mean his brother is now as much in the public eye as he is.

    The biggest problem Gerry Adams has is of his, and S/Fs own making. The answers we have been given simply do not fit. The excuses used mirror the excuses of the Church and are as blatantly self serving. GA is also alleged to be implicated in the cover up of two rapes.

    I do have some sympathy for GA but this subject is too important to allow it to disappear whilst allegations and potential charges are outstanding.

  • Jaggers

    Marlaghman

    “He may say what his views are on Jesus but before he can walk with him he needs to repent and confess his sins to God and also to all the victims/survivors in Northern Ireland.”

    I suspect your view is shared by more than a few people but I wanted to ask you what you mean by “repent and confess his sins”. As a Catholic, he would normally confess sins to a priest but that’s a private affair.

    Pat Robertson and Jim Bakker made famous TV confessions in the past – is this what you mean? Even further back, people used to go around self-flagelatting or wear sackcloth, horsehair shifts and the like. I don’t mean to be flippant but that’s what religious repentance looked like years ago.

    What do you mean and what actions do you think would be required to satisfy the “confess and repent” demands which as I say come from more than a few people?

  • Jaggers

    As a Catholic he would normally confess sins to a priest.

    There is a distinct danger he and his brother did just that!

  • skullion

    Pippakin

    This post isn’t about child abuse.Its a piss take on Adams as the last frivolous line explains.Gerry Adams in therapy tee hee.

  • skullion

    A piss take on Gerry Adams? Indeed, like I care!

    There are serious allegations awaiting realistic answers. If outstanding warrants dont turn up soon there will be just as serious questions regarding the, already, undue delay.

    Tee hee all you want, we are talking child abuse, tee hee hee.

  • Alias

    He needs therapy because he was informed at the tender age of 48 that his father was a kiddie fiddler and he just wasn’t mature to cope with the news? It’s 14 years since he was allegedly told, so at what point does he intend to act on his intention to get therapy?

    Never mind about Aine, Ms Cahill, and Ms X, it is poor Gerry who is the victim here. Clearly our Gerry needs love, support and understanding at this time and not outrageous questions about why this pathological liar and psychopath implemented a policy within a state-sponsored murder gang of protecting paedophiles, abusers, and rapists at the expense of their victims in order to promote a membership that could be more readily controlled by the security services via their vulnerable points. Such a delicate wee flower as Gerry would never be capable of anything untoward…

  • Qubol

    pippakin: “we are talking child abuse, tee hee hee.”

    Maybe you are Pippakin but Pete Baker certainly isn’t.

    When will Pete Baker move to ATW?

  • skullion

    Pippakin

    Its just not worth explaining is it?

  • Marlaghman

    John 14:6
    He may confess to what his religious belief are, and they are private, but would you not agree that for someone to demand the truth, as he has done on many occasion and still dose, that that person needs to lead the way and admit to his part in the IRA and also and more importantly what realy happened when he found out that his Niece was abused by his brother,that the only way he knew how to deal with it was to use the RM spin machine.
    “confess/repent/admit” use whatever form of words you want but as the old saying goes “even the dogs in the street know” that he is a member of the IRA and if this “statesman” wants the people of Northern Ireland to have some sympathy for him, btw I do have great sympathy for his wife as like most families in Northern Ireland the big C has touched me and I know at first hand the suffering it brings to a family, I believe now is the time to start and let him open the book on his knowledge of the abuse within the RM and that of his Niece

  • english republican

    “Adams wife had cancer surgery last Thursday, yet he’s off the next day to Dublin to do a TV show.
    Strange priorities.”

    I had an op last Monday and made certain that my hubby had business on the other side of the country for Monday and Tuesday. Sometimes the last thing you need is a man flapping and fretting around you.

    And I imagine she’d have to be a pretty strong independent woman having stayed married to him all these years… I wish her all the best for her treatment.

  • old school

    Therapy for what exactly?
    He claims he doesn`t recall getting abused.
    And the news about his fathers broke almost 15 years ago. Why therapy now?
    And why is he sharing this with us? Hmmmmmm.

  • Qubol skullion

    Guys, not sure we are reading the same post most comments here are either about or include the subject of child abuse.

    I dont know what your problem is. If GA does go to therapy it wont be because of certain hideous deeds in the past. It will be because of child abuse and his alleged implication in its cover up.

    How piss takingly funny that is I leave to you both.

  • Jaggers

    Ah, I thought it was the “terrorist past” aspect for which you primarily wanted to see repentance, which is a call I’ve heard elsewhere. But for you for that alleged aspect (dogs in the street have been known to be wrong), an admission in an media interview that he was a member of the IRA and a description of his activity in the IRA would be sufficient to say draw a line under it?

  • old school

    No doubt Liam will be asking for therapy next.

  • skullion

    Pippakin

    What i am trying to explain to you is this.This post has turned into a thread about child abuse.However if you read the last line in PETE’S post you should realise that this thread was started as a piss take at Adams going into therapy.Not a pisstake by me nor having a laugh at child abuse.

  • Alias

    “If GA does go to therapy it wont be because of certain hideous deeds in the past.”

    True, but psychopaths have no concern for their victims, being devoid of the capacity to feel remorse and having exceptional ability to rationalise their behaviour for the purpose of self-exoneration, i.e. by blaming others. However, any slight by others against the psychopath is hyped up to life and death dimensions, so Gerry wouldn’t need therapy for what he did to others but would feel that he needs it for what others did to him if that allowed him to see himself as the victim – or, more relevantly, allowed others to see him as the victim. And here it is in Gerry (and his handlers) interests that he is seen as a victim rather than victimiser since that is their strategy to survive the shitstorm that has arisen over how that state-sponsored murder gang processed allegations of sexual abuse by its members..

  • FitzjamesHorse

    “Don’t forget to let us know how that works out… ”

    6…Subject to the justification by over-riding considerations of the public interest, a journalist shall do nothing which entails intrusion into private grief and distress.

    Presumably Mr Baker isnt a journalist.

  • old school

    Good analysis, Alias.
    The more I think of this… his poor wife gets diagnosed cancer, and one day later Gerry´s taling about HIS issues, like some neurotic, narcissist.
    Can we get Woody Allen to play him in, any future roles?

  • old school

    Sorry about the shoddy grammer above.
    Too late to edit?

  • Scullion

    How can I put this – er – I know.

    However my main concern is child abuse, so pardon me if I lose no opportunity to ensure that we never see GAs name without quickly spotting sight of the child abuse allegations.

    old school

    Woody Allen should play Liam Adams, they appear to share certain interests….

  • skullion

    So Pippakin are we to assume that whatever thread is started and includes the name Gerry Adams you’re going to talk about nothing else other than child abuse?

  • FitzjamesHorse

    old school,
    I belive the correct spelling is “Grammar”.
    Normal journalistic standards including spelling and ethics do not apply here. And besides you and I (or should that be you and me…….I forget)are not journalists anyway.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    As a political figure and a person people are asked to endorse by their votes…gerry’s actions and statements can and should be discussed. It is gerry adams who mentioned he got professional help and intends to get therapy…he brought it into the public domain. I have a question for gerry…he found out his father had sexually abused some of his siblings (we don’t know male or female) approx. 14 years ago. When does he intend to go to therapy? How many more years must transpire? And another question…this desire to have therapy…was it a result of just finding out his father sexually abused his children or was the desire there years and years and years ago when he believed his own brother had sexually abused his daughter? We now know that gerry wasn’t going to therapy the day after his beloved wife’s cancer surgery because he was on the telly letting the world know that he intends to go to therapy (some day or year from now).
    I see it…he wasn’t there for his niece, he wasn’t there to protect or even get a clue that his father was abusing gerry’s siblings and he wasn’t there for his wife the day after surgery. I see it that…Gerry just isn’t there for his family. And the people of northern ireland have to determine will he be there for them?

  • skullion

    No, you may not assume anything about me. If for no other reason than Id be sure to surprise you.

    I mention child abuse when I feel the subject merits it. GA may (denies) have done many terrible things, and he may have caused others to do terrible things, but if you think he would get or need therapy for any of those you are very naive. It may even be that this is some cynical attempt to sidetrack the sympathy toward the victims, whatever, it is legitimate to raise the subject of child abuse on this post and others of a similar nature.

  • Marlaghman

    Jaggers
    We all know what he is, but to start to believe a man that has lied for most of his life to do with his IRA membership, we are now asked to feel sympathy because it has taken him 14 odd years for him to seek treatment, hello, The child abuse that he never told about? the pedo brother that he got through out of sf and ends up working in a sf office a stones through away? he knew he was still working with children in west belfast? and lets not forget he was working in the west belfast monastery. He knew for he tryed to cover his back by telling more lies. Child abuse is more important than his evil past as a provo

  • Marlaghman

    sorry for the spelling above

  • Marlaghman

    ‘Child abuse is more important than his evil past as a provo’

    I totally agree with you.

  • Marlaghman

    Just a thought. Do you think MI5 would have known what was going on and used this to persude Gerry to the table and away from the gun & the bullet. Aul mind starting to work overtime

  • John O’Connell

    Marlaghman

    It’s certainly a possibility and I said so myself in a previous thread.

  • Marlaghman

    I have wondered the same thing, what I find hard to understand is how, so called dedicated republicans, made it so easy for them. Our ‘heroes’ didnt even need a traditional honey trap!

    It appears to be a classic example of ‘absolute power corrupts absolutely’ and fully explains why we should never go back to those terrible times.

    It also shows why, at the end of all trials, a full public investigation must be carried out, to establish just who, if anyone, thought it was ok to sacrifice children to any cause.

  • Marlaghman

    We are talking of “COLLUSION” here?

  • Marlaghman

    Would you be surprised. The Brits didnt apparently need to introduce a ‘femme fatale’. All they would have had to do is wait for these perverts to do their ‘thing’.

    Who knows if its collusion. We do know it is odd, very odd. We also know the Brits would have been watching, very, very carefully.

    The truth is if they had wanted GA, MMcG or anyone else dead, dead they would bloody well be. Ask the Israelis!

  • Marlaghman

    It would seam then that if this is the case then the provo’s were as much directed as the loylist were, and would also confirm the rummers that have always been around that M15 had infiltrated the provos at the highest level. My! my! and the sitting MP for West Belfast has just been selected to stand again, we can take it, on a SF/MI5 ticket

  • Peter Fyfe

    Marlaghman

    Do your really believe Gerry dealing with a child abuse claim, badly, brought about decommissioning and the claim, ‘the war is over’? Seems like wishful thinking to me. The way people talk on this site is laughable. They are clearly on here just to attack Adams. So much of the hatred seems to be reserved for Adams and not the actual peodophiles or rapists responsible. How can him having some knowledge of the case and not handling it well be compared to someone’s murder? As much as Adams has done wrong on this affair, I am not going to pretend I would know what to do if I found out a brother and my father were peadophiles, I don’t know how anybody would deal with that. Though I really would be screwed for answers when I went to the police who then decided it was not in their interest to follow up on the claims.

    I have to agree with skullion on this, I don’t believe Pete Baker was trying to open a discussion on the cover up of child abuse. Pippakin soon sorted this one out though.

  • Peter Fyfe

    I do not hate Gerry Adams, my not very good little blog, Item ten – the sins of the fathers, was one of the first to suggest he might have been telling the truth about child abuse in his family.

    There is a problem with what the public and ‘secret services’ knew. We will not know the truth until after any trials have taken place.

    All I am saying is, if these men are found guilty, then I dont see how the security services didnt know about it. Time will show.

    For now, on the subject of child abuse, GA does have my sympathy, but he needs to be a lot more open in his answers.

    I have said before, on this thread, I believe the subject of GA getting therapy is directly related to the allegations of child abuse, thats why I mentioned it, and Im glad I did, we cannot let this subject ‘go away.’

  • Wabbits

    Gerry Adams gets therapy !

  • Peter Fyfe

    Pippakin

    I agree he needs to be more open as I have said so myself in previous threads, this thread appeared to be running away with itself though. I guess I am disillusioned by the lack of a police response to the problems. When the state willfully ignored the rape of young women for their own ends, I wonder what good trying to get the truth out of Gerry ‘I was never in the IRA’ Adams really is?

  • Peter Fyfe

    I know this interminable delay is disheartening and disquieting.

    GA may be telling the truth as far as he feels able but his story has more holes than my collandar!

    If the Brits were involved in the coverup of these crimes, something we cant even investigate until after the trials, then the victims would have good reason to ask some very serious questions of the British government.

    It is a holy mess! but we have to keep on asking questions, for the victims, but also for the future. It must never happen again.

  • Marlaghman

    Gerry classing himself as a victim (the RM spin machine in full flow)what next that he is truly an unionist at heart?

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Isn’t it long since the time gerry adams leaves the political stage…then he has the timem to get as much therapy as he thinks he needs.

  • Driftwood

    I hope his therapist takes him back to what he was doing on 21 July 1972.

    A lot of my colleagues at Oxford Street Bus Station that day would like to hear about it.

  • Alias

    Marlaghman, what is irrefutable is that Shinners/Provos had no reliable means of detecting British agents within that organisation because that means was controlled by British agents.

    That meant that the security services – who were spending hundreds of millions and dedicating hundreds of their highly-trained operatives to the purpose of infiltrating and controlling the Shinners/Provos – had no counterintelligence opposition within that gang to their aim of infiltrating and directing it where they wanted it to go. Hence they were able to direct it to shift from its position of opposing the legitimacy of British sovereignty to endorsing it and from asserting national rights which challenged that sovereignty to renouncing them.

    Why did the leadership of the Shinners/Provos appoint British agents to run its Internal Security Unit? Stupidity? Perhaps. But why did they keep those British agents in place until one retired and the other died, when standard procedure is to rotate those positions in order to avoid long-term infiltration of them? More stupidity? Perhaps. But why was Anthony McKiernan murdered in 1988 when he raised questions about one of the British agents that Gerry and Martin appointed to run the ISU, and why was Joseph O’Connor murdered in 2000 when he also raised doubts? It would appear to be more than pure stupidity…

    The principle reason that the Security Services controlled the ISU is to ensure that its agents within the Shinners/Provos would not be detected by the ISU. As we now see from the plethora of recent examples, the leadership of the Shinners/Provos also had a policy of not removing sex offenders from their organisation. Why would they allow members to remain within organisation who had such obvious vulnerable points that rendered them susceptible to control by the security services? Yet more stupidity? Perhaps. But then again, one of the functions of the ISU was to vet new members for potential vulnerable points. Since the ISU was run by British agents, it’s a simple join the dots exercise to see that they would want member who could be controlled and would reject potential members who were sound. The ISU also has full authority to interview every member of the Provos and has full access to all Provo operations with a remit that can only be countermanded by a member of the Army Council. In reality, the security services were in control of the Provos.

    For the puppet boss of the Shinners/Provos to allow one member to remain in the Shinners/Provos because that member is his kin may be regarded as a lapse of judgement based on nepotism, but how are the other security lapses to be explained? Only as part of a policy that served the interests of their handlers. That is why wee Gerry is frantically spinning a policy as a mix of innocence and ignorance on his part and not something altogether more sinister. If he needs therapy, it should be for the 50 or 60 PIRA members who were murdered by the British agents that he and Martin appointed to run the ISU, and who were murdered to protect the agents at the top of the food chain within the Shinners/Provos.

  • Alias

    We have no way of knowing if your comment is accurate, true there are questions to be answered, but, to take one example, why would they need to spend anything, let alone the hundreds of millions you refer to.

    If they had someone bang to rights as a paedophile or rapist, they had them free of charge! and for life.

    The truth will only emerge once the trials are out of the way.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Driftwood, my uncle was a bus driver at Oxford Street. Perhaps you knew him as a colleague.

  • Driftwood

    FJH
    I worked in the office there from 1980 and knew many of the drivers and other staff who were there that day. The depot manager had bits of glass still coming out of his eyes decades later.

    weird seeing the area nowadays compared to then.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerryward/2927235899/

  • Driftwood

    I feel sick. I am so sorry, the things we do to each other…

  • Driftwood

    I don’t know if any of the survivors were offered ‘therapy’, unlike the perpetrator(s).

    that’s just the way it goes……

  • Driftwood

    I understand, so much bitterness, on both sides.

    Can we at least agree it must never happen again.

  • TellMeMa

    //The way people talk on this site is laughable. They are clearly on here just to attack Adams. So much of the hatred seems to be reserved for Adams and not the actual peodophiles or rapists responsible. (Peter Fyfe, p2, 19)

    The main purpose of Slugger **IS** therapy.

    Much better for people to get stuff off their chests by attacking Gerry Adams, the really gigantic hate figure, on this website than to have them putting slugs into themmums from their Smith Wessons or Uzis or roadside bombs.

    Not saying all of us would actually do this…

    Another way of handling irritating contributions would be to avoid reading them. For me: Pete Baker and pippakin, the two obsessives. I must be in a really masochistic mood today since I am reading a thread dominated by these two, though I speeded up things a bit by skipping 99.9% of pippakin’s comments and did not click on a single one of Pete’s cross references.

  • joeCanuck

    I got the bus from Oxford Street every day at that time. That day, fortunately for me, I wasn’t there because I was out in a company vehicle and was stuck in a traffic jam due to all of the bombs going off.

  • TellMeMa

    Oh dear! Ive offended you, what a shame, how sad, what can I do but more of the same.

    How many times do I have to say I do not hate Gerry Adams, you, and anyone, can check my little blog, item ten, the sins of the fathers. I cant remember if its dated but I was defending him regarding the paedophile accusations before anyone else. The problem has been his lack of clear, honest replies, and S/Fs refusal to deal with the matter appropriately.

    You need not read anything Ive written but you should be anxious to ensure that the past is given no chance to be repeated.

  • Mr E Mann

    >First Robinson goes off to work after the
    >wife, we are told, attempted to take her
    >own life.

    He was just relieved that for once he could go to the office without wondering where she was

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi TellMeMa, The question isn’t whether people like or dislike gerry adams. Gerry is the one who stated he believed his niece that her father/his brother sexually abusedd her. Gerry is the one who stated his father abused his siblings, Gerry is the one who campaigned with his brother (thinking at the time his brother was a sex offender)Gerry is the one who went on telivision the day after his wife went under surgery to discuss his plan to get therapy. As an elected official–gerry adams actions and words can and should be discussed and it has nothing to do with people liking the man or not

  • Mr E Mann

    Dont know what Peter Robinson has to do with Gerry Adams sudden need for therapy. Perhaps they both would benefit from an understanding ear.

    As for Mrs Robinson and her toy boy. I have, of course heard of women of a certain age taking a toy boy before, but this is the first time Ive heard one asked for a refund!

  • Marlaghman

    The sf community in west belfast must feel that their sitting MP is ok and that the small matter of keeping information about a pedo and rapest from them has nothing what soever to do with his selection to stand again as their MP.
    Now we know that the catholic church has had problems with this and tried to cover it up and when the RM in their own area does this have we not the right to ask what is happening to families that they turn a blind eye of what has happened here.
    Child abuse is wrong no matter what your political beliefs are, btw not just in the RM, but the fear within this area from what the RM are famous for must be keeping the local community under a great strain. The truth will come out slowly, but it will, like GA niece has done by letting the people know what was going on, who knew, and who never did anything about it.
    Remember we are talking about Chlid Abuse within a movement who ruled with fear and still dose

  • Driftwood

    Maybe the Irish Collie Club, whose members he ordered to be burned alive at La Mon-obviously not ‘Irish’ enough- can find it in their hearts to forgive themselves for their sin of not being ‘Irish’ enough for Gerry.
    And offer prayers for this bad time he is going through. The poor wee soul.
    The firefighters who scraped his victims off the tarmac at Oxford St Bus Station should also make a statement of atonement to the great Saint Gerard.

  • We can only hope his ‘therapy’ helps him to see the error of his ways, but gentlemen, as bad as it all is, none of it compares to the abuse of a child or the deliberate coverup of that abuse.

  • Driftwood

    http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/lamon.htm

    Child abuse of sorts, and more. Still, now they run justice and policing..all is well.

    So it goes.

  • Macanna

    Tell me driftwood what excatly did gerry have to do with oxford street. I can’t find any reports of him being charged with or evidence to connect him with it. I really would be interested to see what you have.

  • Paddy

    There are several issues here.

    1. Several of the poster here are rabid Loyalist sectarians (who intersperse their sectarianism with O level physics musings. On this point, it must be noted that Orangeism is a cancer and that true peace must entail eliding this cancer from the social mix, the same way Nazism was elided from post war Germany.

    2. There is the issue of Gerry Adams (and Martin McGuinness. These are very much flawed characters and their flaws most likely made them the play things of MI5. Martin’s situation is well summed up on Willie Frazer’s site. (Yes, Willie is a rabid sectarian in need of therapy (like most of them) but there you go.

    3. There is the issue of how the flaws of Adams and his cronies fed into and mis directed the just demands of the Catholic minority ((and Protestants like John Turnley and Ronnie Bunting who were democrats).

    4. There is the issue of how the flaws of these monsters impacted on their families and htose they abused.

    The above are not written by order of importance. However, the thugs who demand to walk the Queen’s Highway to perpetuate their culture of Taig baiting/killing do not have much to add to this discussion.

    Or to any other discussions either. They are flawed flotsam.

  • Driftwood

    Macanna
    He was ‘OC’ of the so called belfast brigade of his wee terror group on the day. he would consider the Oxford St Bus station bombing a ‘success’. Just like his patriotic burning of the Irish Collie Club at La Mon.

    Strange person. But sure isn’t he good for a laugh these days.

  • Macanna

    Sorry driftwood I obviously wasn’t clear. I have heard a lot of people accuse ga of being involved in events like oxford street and la mon, what I was looking for was the evidence that people like yourself seem to posess that I can’t find anywhere.Its a bit like the rumours about wee jeffery that were on here recently, sounds good but a load of old bollocks without proof.

  • Driftwood

    Macanna
    Billy Wright was never convicted of murder. OJ Simpson obviously did not murder his wife. And we all know that 4 completely innocent guys (Jamie and Neil Acourt, Gary Dobson, Luke Knight and David Norris) were unfairly castigated in the media for the murder of Stephen Lawrence when they were innocent-as you say-No proof.
    And they have all subsequently been shown to be decent guys like Gerry Adams.

    Just one addendum:

    In their book the ‘The Provisional IRA’ Patrick Bishop and Eamonn Mallie said the bombings were planned by Seamus Twomey, an IRA leader who died at the age of 70 yrs in 1989, he was assisted “by a leading Belfast Provisional who is now a senior member of Sinn Fein.”
    In a BBC Panorama programme broadcast on December 19th, 1983, Gerry Adams was accused of involvement in the Bloody Friday bombings by a former IRA member Peter McMullen.

  • Macanna

    driftwood, I am starting to get the feeling you don’t like ga. Going by what you posted above it is because of what peter mcmullen said.Because the rest of what you wrote has nothing to do with what I asked you.Pointless waffle really.

  • TellMeMa

    Driftwood: OJ Simpson obviously did not murder his wife…etc

    And a man was accused of being a paedophile* by a neighbour annoyed with his complaints about her loud music
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8523103.stm
    (I think she should be fined more than the ridiculous £80)

    And there were at least two women who were jailed for murdering their babies on the basis of evidence from an “expert” witness later found to be really tainted.

    Lives can be ruined by false accusations.

    I could go on, but I won’t.

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    * (heads up, Pippakin!)

  • Fabianus

    TellMeMa,

    You won’t go on but I will. Driftwood, either you believe in the principle of a person being innocent until proven guilty or you don’t.

    If you don’t then I suggest that your place is not in a Western democracy but in some rathole like Saudi Arabia, where your thinking would be welcomed.

    I loathe Sinn Fein and all they stand for but I love democracy and justice more.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    It was gerry adams who announced to the world that HE believed his brother had sexually abused his daughter. If you want to complain about the press and the issue of innoncent until proven guilty…then complain to gerry adams…HE is the one who has publically labled his brother a sex offender. Also, it was gerry adams who after his father died stated his father was an abuser of his own children. Again, it is gerry who labeled his own father as a sex abuser.
    If people dicuss this issue based on what gerry adams has stated in public…they are not the ones who can be accused of not upholding the principal of innoncent until proven guilty…it is gerry adams who has done that.
    Now, it is interesting to consider…was this a policy adapted by gerry adams…to publically label his brother as an abuser to his own child in the hopes of having the courts state Liam can not get a fair trial and thus…getting off the hook for raping his daughter.

  • Gerry Adams was caught between a rock and a hard place. Liam Adams daughter Aine went public. GA had to make a statement, that it was so full of holes it created more questions is his problem.

    If Liam Adams doubts he will get a fair trial in the north, there are other places where this subject has not been making headlines.

    It would be better for GA if LA pleads guilty. A not guilty plea would take the lid off the whole dirty mess.