Negative reaction to INLA move

Some responses to INLA decommissioning on the Republican Socialist Movement forum haven’t been positive:

“personally, I would be against such a move. It seems that the brits are going to such lengths to see republicans surrender their weapons which to me shows that they still fear the potential militancy of these groups. By taking one part of the struggle out of the equation, they minimise the damage that can be cause to their rule. propaganda wise it’s a major coup for them also.”

“If this is true then its a disgrace, what now is there to differentiate the IRSM from the PRM or groups like eirigi?”

“Mondays statement will be interesting. If this is true i fear that the RSM will lose a lot of support. I would’nt see a difference between PRM sell out and this.”

“i think its a total joke”

“I have to say its a very sad day but lets look ahead to the future for the working class people who we represent.”

  • Mrazik

    What a bunch of deranged saddos.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Who doesn’t fear the potential militancy of people with guns ?

    Who do the INLA/IRSP represent ? The last time I remember one of them running in a election, they scored a whopping 51 votes.

    What a load of shite. I’ll bet half the people posting this rubbish on that board don’t live here.

  • Mark McGregor

    CS,

    Minor point, Peggy O’Hara got 1,789 as a proxy IRSP candidate in Foyle 2007. (Nicholas Whyte still has her listed as RSF despite me telling him that is wrong).

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Oh for Gods sake does anybody take these eejits seriously?

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    Regardless of how you take them, it is worth noting how the move has went down with their support base.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    No not really Mark McGregor.
    If their support is minimal then its hardly worth knowing. They have more websites than members.
    People old enough to blog are not necessarily old enough to think.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I stand corrected, Mark.

  • Mark,

    What makes the response all the more interesting is that the same thing happened on the thread you linked on their statement renouncing violence last year, with an angry response. But the INLA obviously ignored it and went ahead with this. So either the internet is unrepresentative (and from what I remember the actual IRSP members weren’t complaining), or the incentive was so great as to risk losing support to other groups. It is I suppose possible that there is a clear vision of a political party regardless of the cost, but I have my doubts.

  • Scaramoosh

    “it is worth noting how the move has went down with their support base.”

    Yes, all six of them (and he was posting under different names).

    These so called working class heroes, who liked to posture that they were also speaking on behalf of the loyalist working class communities (providing that they also fell into line on their policy of a United Ireland) were deluded jokers.

  • Mark McGregor

    Gari,

    As already noted a lot of the negative responses are unlikely to be from members or even people living in Ireland but for a group with such a limited support base they seem willing to take the risk of alienating some and push forward on this road.

    However, with the deadline for disposing of arms without investigation of their pedigree and evidential value only days from ending maybe there was a pragmatic decision to ditch any incriminating evidence when the gear wasn’t/won’t be used used anyhow?

  • Medillen

    I welcome this move by the INLA, their support is limited in nationalist areas in the north to the families of long standing members. In Dublin, in particular, they have dissolved into one of the many organised crime gangs, involved in drugs and all other criminal enterprises, yet they claim to be acting on behalf of working class people. For quite some considerable time, despite the genuine intentions of some individuals, the INLA has been nothing more than a criminal gang akin to the UDA.

  • Stewart

    I’m not sure that the erps had much of a support base Mark. They have very little presence within most Nationalist communities in the North.

    I welcome their decision to decommission the weapons and hopefully the official IRA/Workers party will follow by decommissioning their guns.

  • Mark McGregor

    Stewart,

    I’m not claiming they have much of a support base. I’m noting dissenting voices that may be part of that limited group.

  • Mark,

    The pragmatic thing probably has something to do with it. I do think there are a small number of people at the very top pushing for this, though my understanding was the main guy doing so had left in recent months. Like you say the support base is small. I suppose they have made an assessment that the Provo DNA dissidents, if we can call them that, are going absolutely nowhere, and that may stop people going elsewhere.

  • Mark McGregor

    Stewart,

    Though they have been moderately active politically in Derry (Raytheon) and North Belfast (Housing) recently.

  • Shannon_Republican

    I cant say i’m surprised at this move. It was inevitable

    I think its interesting to note the comments from some IRSP supporters who think that the decommissioning of the INLA will result in the loss of support for the RSM

    The INLA/IRSP in fairness to some of the old guard within their movement do have an intelligent grasp of their politics. But they will never be a relevant voice within the political circles that they are wishing to move in. And i dont say that with glee! i think alot of their politics is valid, they just havent been able to present it effectively

    I say this as a dedicated republican who would disagree with the GFA and the enviorments that the agreement has created.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    With respect Mark McGregor your headline “Negative Reaction to INLA move” was totally over the top.

    I cant imagine the broader community/communities feel negative about the INLA move.
    Your piece was of course only about (dissident) Republican types (always on the verge of lunacy anyway) with Internet access. Not exactly scientific.

    A body “moderately active” in two community things in Derry and North Belfast.
    Can the World of Politics survive without them?
    I suspect so.

  • joeCanuck

    In Dublin, in particular, they have dissolved into one of the many organised crime gangs, involved in drugs and all other criminal enterprises, yet they claim to be acting on behalf of working class people.

    Alas, not just Dublin; Stabane too for some obscure reason. They are a blight on society and try to “rule” through fear and violence. Their “political wing” are just as disgusting.

  • Shannon_Republican

    In reference to some of the posts above about the INLA’s rumored involvement in criminal activity why are people welcoming their decision to “decommision”

    Does the lack or suspected lack of weaponry result in a lack of criminal activity ?

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    The postive reaction has been covered elsewhere and in the MSM. This entry notes the negative and particularly negatives from supporters. I can’t see where ‘over the top’ comes in. Unless you see covering all sides of the story as somehow objectionable?

  • Shannon_Republican

    Agreed with Marks post

  • Stephen Blacker

    It is very sad that some people still believe that armed struggle is way to go. The PIRA would have won the gold medal for terrorism but even they realised that this method of trying to achieve their goal was never going to work.

    It would not take too many people to cause a lot of murder and mayhem so a group like Eirigi is worrying. There is not a lot of them but all it would need is for the PSNI to have a riot with them or for one of them to be knocked down by a police land rover.

    These groups that lambast the INLA giving up their guns do not have a political right to say these things on behalf of the Irish Nation. The people of Ireland voted for the GFA and peaceful methods to achieve a United Ireland, the Irish Constitution was changed accordingly.

    Hopefully the Hillsborough Agreement will work and the vast majority of people will stay together. Protestants need to make the TUV, OV’s and any others irrelevant and Catholics need to do the same to similar groups in their community.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Mark McGregor
    You will please note I specified that your HEADLINE was over the top.
    A more accurate description of your piece would have referred to “Negative Reaction” in particuarly INLA type lunatic circles

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    If you think the post and/or headline was claiming a negative reaction beyond a small group of people on the RSM forum there is very little I can do to help you beyond suggesting some sort of remedial class in reading a piece in its entirety.

  • Shannon_Republican

    In Response to Stephen Blacker : People have a right to protest or to disagree especially with something such as the GFA

    Conflict! is what politics is, politicians conflict with their opposite side in order to improve their own standing.

    Recently you have seen the DUP and the PSM come together to endorse a deal that they couldn’t agree on until both Parties and Leaderships were outed as hypocrits

  • Shannon_Republican

    Edit: not PSM but PRM – apologies

  • Stephen Blacker

    Shannon_Republican,

    I have no problem with anyone fighting for what they see as their rights as long as it is not argued with the bullet or bomb.

  • I wish people would not so readily throw the words drugs, drug dealers and criminals about so readily, the biggest profiteer from drug is the Irish and UK governments, as they take the largest cut from alcohol and tobacco sales, substance which destroy peoples health and there communities.

    By all means have a sensible debate about illicit drugs and organised crime, but to attempt to tar all insurgent groups as drug dealers and criminals moves the situation forward how? If I had a pound for every time I read in the press during their insurgency the PRM were involved in selling and importing drugs, I would be a rich man, saying something does not make it so.

    Only the most crass opportunist or an absolute fool who has no understanding of this problem claims illicit drugs are one of the major problems our societies face.

    Millions of people take these illicit narcotics every week, yet those who seriously damage their health I tiny in comparison with those who are addicted to alcohol and nicotine and that is without mentioning those youngsters who binge drink and embarrass themselves.

    By the way to dismiss out of hand any political group, because they fail to gain mass support at the ballot box, is infantile, as those who had their lives stolen in the Twin Towers learnt to their cost. Better to deal with an organisations politics, methodology and strategy.

    For an Irish republican to use such an argument is surreal, as Republicanism has rarely been a majority political philosophy in Ireland and it is far from being so today.

  • Shannon_Republican

    Mickhall which argument from a republican are you referring to?

    When you mention dismiss out of hand? can you provide your detailed opinion on that

    Not sure how 911 relates to this context!

  • Albert

    I wonder how much money they got?

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Mark McGregor
    I dont think I need remedial classes to know that a headline does not actually reflect the strory.
    Nor do I need remedial classes to think that the INLA/IRSP community involvement in Derry and North Belfast makes them relevant in any real sense.

    On the subject of classes, and in the spirit of friendly recipocracy can I recommend the Journalism class at the Belfast Metropolitan College (Millfield Campus).
    A place is offered on the basis of application and interview and it is a one year class. You do show a certain potential and you can include my name as a reference.

  • nollaig a chara

    Shannon_Republician

    I agree to a certain extent with u when u talk about the older members with the RSM but i feel the younger people though not all…failed to grasp the actual politics behind that movement i also disagree with u in regard to ur opinion of the PRM as hypocrits i feel they backed the DUP into a corner which they could not get out of and in doing so i think this will do the DUP harm as i think they will struggle to sell it to there grass roots….

    By this happening it will give republiciaans/nationalist the opertunity to have the largest repersentation within the political spectrium thus advancing the struggle fo Irish independance

  • Comrade Stalin

    Stephen:

    It is very sad that some people still believe that armed struggle is way to go.

    Like I said, the chances are that a lot of the contributors to that RSM forum up there don’t live here. Unfortunately, the INLA/IRSP disarming means that bored American divorcees no longer have a place to go to find a bit of rough, and armchair generals no longer have people to look to to inspire to take up arms.

    FitzjamesHorse, every time I read one of your posts the word “stoop” yells out at me from all directions. Maybe I need to see a doctor.

  • Reader

    Comrade Stalin: FitzjamesHorse, every time I read one of your posts the word “stoop” yells out at me from all directions.
    Which reminds me – surely we need a nickname for ‘Alliance’ before it’s too late?

  • An Phoblacht Abu

    I dont think too many of the members or supporters will be worried about getting rid of some rusty old guns, the IRSM has for the last few years been looking at getting more involved politically and having a private army wouldnt help this. Support wise they have moderate strength in area’s like Strabane, Dungiven, Derry and North Belfast so a few councillors could be elected. Im not one of there fans but my mum prefers them to Sinn Fein and i worked with some of them in community groups and they do have some good thinkers

  • Henry94

    Well done the INLA. The right move for the people of Ireland and for the political objectives of the republican socialist movement.

  • shannon republican

    I mentioned 9/11 as bin Laden’s outfit had very little support, but were able to inflict sadness and sorry upon the world as a whole, admittedly with a great deal of help from bin Laden’s former neo-con friends.

    On your other point, perhaps mistakenly, I do not know? I took one of the commentators for a SF supporter.

    FJH

    Not sure what you mean by ‘the real sense,’ it seems to to be a poor insult like “Not living in the real world, which is nonsense, as whether we like INLA or not it is a dam certainty they live in the real world, ask Airey Neave’s widow.

    Far better to deal with the point Mark makes, Surely? The more so as you clearly have an articulate pen which is well able to do so.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Suggested nickname for Alliance… Malone Road Defence Association.
    And the motto “we believe in treating Catholics fairly as long as they are not called Sean Neeson or Seamus Close”

  • Comrade Stalin

    Which reminds me – surely we need a nickname for ‘Alliance’ before it’s too late?

    An excellent idea. I’ve never heard one that’s stuck, though. It’s a lot easier when parties use acronyms for their names.

    FJH:

    Suggested nickname for Alliance… Malone Road Defence Association.

    A good effort, but I’ve already taken that name for the paramilitary wing. We’re not allowed guns, though, so we make do with drinking beer and lighting farts behind the conference hall at party meetings.

    And the motto “we believe in treating Catholics fairly as long as they are not called Sean Neeson or Seamus Close”

    I’ve never been treated unfairly in my long time in Alliance, and I went to the same school as Sean Neeson did, as did the party’s current Executive Director who posts on Slugger now and again. The perspective of an Antrim Road Stoop is definitely worth taking into account, though, so please, regale us with your view of how either of those two men were mistreated on account of their religion.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I just did a quick check for the benefit of those who like all their politics to be accompanied by a sectarian headcount so that they know who to support.

    Alliance leaders :

    O’Neill (P, presumably)
    Napier (RC)
    Chushnahan (RC)
    Alderdice (P)
    Neeson (RC)
    Ford (P)

    Looks to me as if Alliance has a pretty good record of being led by either side of the community.

    How many non-Catholics have led the Stoops ?

    For that matter, how many non-Catholic MLAs or MPs have the Stoops ever had ? I asked someone in the SDLP and they replied “we had a Protestant councillor once”.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Phelim O’Neill was indeed a Protestant and I believe a cousin of Terence.
    Comrade Stalin….the Malone Road Defence Association jibe dates from about 1973. Before your time.

    Alderdice stitched up Seamus Close over the Speaker in Assembly. Close thought he was ashoe-in but then All-Too-Nice thought he was going to get an Executive role.
    And Sean Neeson shafted by a party colleague (Matthews) when he couldnt even get the East antrim nomination as Party Leader in 2001.

    As for North Belfast SDLP perspective why not ask Margie Hawkins a Party colleague of yours. She might have met some when she got 400 votes in North Belfast last time out.
    As for your Exec Director……Gerry Lynch I suppose. Has he got that East antrim nomination yet? Sheesh AP is in worse position than I thought.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Actually I just looked up Wikipedia and see Gerry lynch is selected for East antrim. Obviously he has no chance but of course its a marker for the assembly.
    If Gerry Lynch talks nicely to Sean Neeson he may resign before assembly election and get Gerry co-opted. That way Gerry could contest East antrim with the advantage of being an incumbent.
    And if he does it right he could have an assembly seat for Life.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Comrade Stalin….the Malone Road Defence Association jibe dates from about 1973. Before your time.

    I am so sorry, Grandad. It’s so breathtakingly original that I couldn’t believe someone else might have thought of it first.

    Alderdice stitched up Seamus Close over the Speaker in Assembly.

    What evidence do you have that this happened due to Close’s religion, which is what you alleged above ?

    What evidence do you have that the Alliance Party, as opposed to the British government, had any say over who would be Speaker ?

    The spat between Close and Alderdice arose because of a screwup by the British government which resulted in the NIO offering the job to both of them separately. It had always been understood that Alderdice would be the principal candidate. Unfortunately, Close chose to make his disappointment public. There’s no hiding the fact that this was about Close’s ego. I don’t see how his religion comes into it.

    And Sean Neeson shafted by a party colleague (Matthews) when he couldnt even get the East antrim nomination as Party Leader in 2001.

    You were at the selection meeting and witness the aforementioned shafting yourself ? You have evidence that Neeson’s religion was a factor ? You believe that the term “shafting” is appropriate when discussing the nomination for a hard Unionist seat ?

    As for North Belfast SDLP perspective why not ask Margie Hawkins a Party colleague of yours.

    Why would I ask a perjurer anything ? Why would you suggest a perjurer is a credible source ?

    As for your Exec Director……Gerry Lynch I suppose. Has he got that East antrim nomination yet? Sheesh AP is in worse position than I thought.

    Here’s a prediction for you. Alliance’s vote will rise as the next election compared with the last Westminster, and the Stoop vote on the same basis will fall.

  • FitzjamesHorse

    Comrade Stalin….I assume that you are not actually involved in Politics yourself. Your doorstep manner leaves a lot to be desired. First you go denouncing the SDLP as “stoops” (hardly the way to treat potential middle ground partners) and you manage to lose the Grandad vote.

    I assume not even the allaince Party would allow you out to canvass.
    I merely mention Margie because she might have a passing acquaintence with North Belfast. I regret Margie turned out to be a disappointment for you. Perhaps you canvassed for her….yes that would explain the derisory 400 votes.
    Much better if you turned your attention to more reliable Alliance Party types. Ian Parsley perhaps….oops I forgot about that. Gotta admit you make bad choices.
    Like John Matthews maybe.
    My point was of course that Neeson (the Party leader and a catholic) was humiliated by his own Party in 2001.
    And Seamus Close (a Catholic)was humiliated by All-Too-Nice in 1998.
    Perhaps you didnt appreciate the fact that the Malone Road was hardly intended as anything more than a WIND UP.
    And I am pleasantly surprised that “we believe in treating Catholics fairly as long as they are not called Sean Neeson or Seamus Close” intended as a WIND UP actually got a reaction.
    But I must admit Im pretty pleased at the Margie Hawkins one…….that really was a “slam dunk”.

  • alex

    No surprises here that the chatering classes are simply the loudest of the empty vessels……