Cameron backs the deal: over to you Reg…

Hmmm.. now David Cameron has backed a deal his local partners in the UUP have only just had first sight of… Reg is reserving his judgement (as would seem circumspect)… But Dave’s all for it… Realistically, if the Tory pact is the way to, surely Sir Reg hardly has much of a choice over which way to go?

  • joeCanuck

    Well, Cameron has cut the legs out from under him. Such are the glories perils of running a loose ship.

  • west belfast

    Sir Reg has shown himself to be a political lightweight – void of tactical ability or strategic thinking.

    This is just further proof of that.

  • Alias

    Is Reg going to allow the leader of a seperate political party to determine his party’s policies, de facto or de jure? Is it an electoral alliance or a takeover?

  • joeCanuck

    Alias,

    Just another f**k up.

  • Carsons Cat

    I’m sorely tempted to say where’s the story here? Reg Empey makes bad call isn’t really news but I’ll let ya off with this one Mick 😉

    Seriously though, what exactly did Reg think his boss was going to say? My guess is that Robinson has known all along that Reg would have to support any deal once agreed because he’d be told to do so by CCO or they’ll take the dosh away and thanks to Mr McCann’s little revelation on his Facebook page (since removed) we all know exactly how important the Ashcroft money is to the little UCUNF project.

    The issue though isn’t what Reg said today about the details as published – surely it was reported from their Executive meeting on Tuesday night that the stated policy of the UUP was that they didn’t support devolution of P&J at this time.

    He can’t reserve judgement on that issue or if he did then he’d look….. well even more of an idiot.

  • Reginald is some pup, complaining about being give a job he didnt know he was going to get which deals with the very thing he has been whingeing about.

    Cameron must has carried out zero due diligence before he decided to buy into the embarassing shambles that calls itself the Ulster Unioinst party.

  • Scaramoosh

    Reg is the worst and best politician that we have. He does not even pretend to know what he is doing, in a style redolent of early Frank Spencer.

    Having said that, he has managed (?)through his mismanagement to make the UUP a more talked about and valid concern than they were 12 months ago.

    Well done Reg, you have shown that much comes to those that do not try too hard.

  • David Crookes

    The UUP should applaud whatever is good in the new agreement. A bit of magnanimity may impress their voters more than an old-fashioned tantric tantrum.

  • The Impartial Observer

    He will go along with it eventually but he will play hard to get so as to try and get a more definite commitment on Executive reform.

    Nothing wrong with that!

  • Jaggers

    Reg Empey has now issued a statement via the UUP website

    http://www.uup.org/news/policing-justice/policing-and-justice-archive/initial-reactions-to-agreement-on-policing-and-justice.php

    The tone and content confirm the UUP and its leader as yesterday’s men, as primitive as they are irrelevant.

    He concludes by asking “is there a place in this Agreement for the Presbyterian Mutual Society” !!!
    David Cameron must be very proud of his partner.

    I hope that now that a deal has been cut and that Reg has categorically denied any tie-up with the DUP, that Labour rip into the machinations of Partisan which could have derailed the process and expose to the 5m GB Catholics in particular the sort of bedfellows Cameron has sought out.

  • IanR

    He probably will sign up. It’s reasonable enough to allow him a weekend to read the thing, given that he’s sat on the sidelines for weeks waiting on the outcome of the interminable talks process.

    Devenport:

    “Of course the [NIO] officials who are tut tutting about [the UUP not signing up straight away] did not experience the Fuss at the Bus, the mobbing of the Trimble’s at Upper Bann election counts or any of the other rough handling that used to go on between the DUP and the UUP.”

  • Carsons Cat

    “Reg is the worst and best politician that we have.”

    Well you did write that before Fred Cobain’s appearance on Evening Extra. Comedy gold! The DUP couldn’t have put anyone on to help them as much.

  • Scaramoosh,

    Frank Spencer yes and laced with some Chaplinesque traits, he’s already got the hat from his summer marching outings, just give him a little tash and the stick and he’s ready to launch.

    Reginald will obvioulsy have to sign up, but will highlight the fact that, in a repetition of Allister’s damaging but accurate asertion, the DUP were pressurised into a bad deal for Unionism. He will also probably criticise the parading aspect knowing that it will garner more than a few votes and will try to Trimbilise the beleagured Peter Robinson given that there will probably be at least a trickle of councillors moving across to the TUV with on going grumblings within the DUP.

  • georgieleigh

    It’s good news of a sort for the Drumcree Hill Billys.

    They’ll be let down the road soon.

    In fact there’ll be a signpost erected pointing to Bóthar Gharbh-Achaidh

  • Harry J

    Well you did write that before Fred Cobain’s appearance on Evening Extra. Comedy gold! The DUP couldn’t have put anyone on to help them as much. ………….

    when was that? poor fred is always good for a laugh.. a socalist trapped in a tory party

  • “Sir Reg has shown himself to be a political lightweight – void of tactical ability or strategic thinking.”

    No he is not, he is just another typical ulster unionist we on this side of the water have come to despise, and for good reason.

    All bluster, bullying and and bullshit, but when the man in the big house cries enough, they loyally troop in behind them.

  • Will it be all Unionist guns blazing in FST and SB or will the DUP be tempted to standaside knowing they wont win and perhaps keep the possibility of an Assembly deal open…just in case?

  • Carsons Cat

    Harry
    “when was that? poor fred is always good for a laugh.. a socalist trapped in a tory party”

    On about half 5 I think. He was clearly deeply uncomfortable when asked about Cameron’s views – stressed (perhaps too much) that he was a member of the UUP (by implication very much not a member of the Conservative Party).

    He was just generally all over the place though he appeared to go from some kind of hard-line view on the parading issue to saying that he thought Orangemen speaking to dissident republicans would be a positive move.

    Stammering and general crapness aside it was mostly just bizarre.

  • Kevsterino

    Cat, we have an word for Cobain’s status here in the American Midwest: discombobulated.

    When politicians find themselves on unfamiliar ground, that is when you find out which ones can do their own thinking.

    The weaker-minded ones flounder badly.

  • Driftwood

    What is the score with the PMS by the way? or is it being held until the dust settles? A bit like the injunction on a BBC programme which will ruffle a few feathers in the near future.
    Speaking of which, the national news barely mentioned our latest ‘historic day’ well after the piece about John Terry stepping down as Captain.

  • Cynic2

    Mick

    I think you are vastly over egging this. There’s no gap at all

    What Cameron actually said was simple

    ” “We welcome the fact that an agreement has been reached between the Democratic Unionists and Sinn Fein, and we support the determination of the British and Irish governments in helping to bring this about. We hope this leads to the completion of devolution and the re-establishment of political stability in Northern Ireland.”

    Note two things:-

    1 it’s a welcome that SF and the DUP did a deal – it doesn’t say that everyone else was involved or signed up to it nor does it give any opinion on the quality or resilience of the deal

    2 it is measured and hopes that this leads to the completion of devolution – again that is a sensible and balanced response

    So just how does that differ from Reg and the UU’s position?

    Indeed both of them are taking broadly the same line. It needs to be carefully considered and assessed.

    They are not talking the deal down but when the post deal euphoria wears off, the NIO ra ra team fade away, journalists recover from a week of sleep deprivation and chilblains and actually read the subtext, there will be some searching questions about what actually has been agreed…..and what hasn’t…. and what actions are depending upon agreement of other actions

    So is it a deal or is it a deal to have a deal providing parading is sorted out in 3 weeks?

    And just how did the DUP convert the 14 dissenters? Did they vote for the deal or vote to consult on the deal? Can Peter tell us?

  • Cynic2,

    “So is it a deal or is it a deal to have a deal providing parading is sorted out in 3 weeks?

    And just how did the DUP convert the 14 dissenters? Did they vote for the deal or vote to consult on the deal? Can Peter tell us? ”

    Yes, there may well be potential yet for collapse.

    But not sure how you can reconcile the Tories welcoming something and the UUP withholding support.

  • Driftwood

    Cynic
    I think people on the mainland are more focussed on Vanessa Perroncel, hot or what? And the fact that several Labour MP’s are being prosecuted in the courts for criminal fraud.
    Labour really are sinking to new depths. No wonder Brown was glad to escape from the fraud and scandal engulfing his party this morning.
    Cameron was cool and measured as usual.

  • Driftwood

    MU
    The Tory statement was written by a junior clerk, in the manner of supporting a tourist initiative in Cornwall. And with the same gravitas.

    The UUP were given an ‘agreement’ which means all things to all people and told to support it- I don’t think even Reg is that naive.

  • Driftwood,

    make no mistake the Bullingdon Boys Club(Tories) have bought into project Peace Process not only because they set it up but because that is in line with strategic British thinking on Ireland.

    Whatever about your speculations about the author of the statement the Tory line will be identical to the Labour Party as evidenced by the failure to back up the Unionist contention (UUP and DUP) that the current/previous crisis was ‘contrived’. If Reginald, for opportunistic reasons or other decides to not support the deal project UCUNF will be consigned to the bin quicker than David, Boris or George can say “I didnt consider it a good night out unless I had thrashed at least one bally resturant”

  • Lionel Hutz

    Does anyone else think it’s strange that in a tory/uup alliance the tories are now going over the head of the uup on Northern Ireland matters. The uup should ditch cameron now

  • Lionel Hutz,

    see post 25.

  • Framer

    Hatfield was about the UUP backing a DUP agreement with SF on policing and justice.

    And it was a Tory-inspired meeting.

    So all is well in SB and FST.

  • Driftwood

    Not a great fan of Reg, but didn’t the SDLP also reserve judgement? Admittedly in a less sulky manner than the UUP. No-one doubts the Tory/UU party will be on board, but nobody likes to treated as a doormat. Owen Patterson will soothe things but why should the local Tory/UU leadership get involved in what was essentially a domestic squabble involving a married couple?

  • granni trixie

    What did McCann reveal about dosh motivation for UNCUF on Facebook? Can you say? is it illegal to do so? (withdrawal symptoms -haven’t had a scandal for at least 2 days).

  • st etienne

    tantric tantrum

    There is something wonderfully apt about that phrase with respect to Empey’s leadership style.

    I’ll point out the obvious – a proactive leader would have spoken with Cameron on the important aftermath of this apparently inevitable closure of this ridiculous sideshow. Not that either endorsing it or arguing against it would do any good at this stage.

    The main thrust of the argument should be damning the performance of the chief clowns involved in this capper.

    But has anyone ever spotted Empey set the agenda?

  • Bob Wilson

    Mick you are way off track.
    Cameron welcomed the deal BETWEEN DUP and SF.
    He did so in measured terms in contrast to the hyperbole of Browm, Cowan, Robbo. Marty&Gerry;, Shaun and Hillary.

  • granni trixie

    Whilst it may be ‘understandable’ at a human level for the UU and the SDLP to throw their toys out of the pram, given they have been sidelined just as they sidelined others when they were in power, they should have exercised more strategic thinking and dignity. Today they just came across
    to the public as like children, ie an own goal.
    In all all these debates do they forget the prize that this secures? Paramilitaries (well most of them)have given up physical force and have delivered on supporting the police.

  • Driftwood

    grannie trixie

    If you want to see toys out of prams, see what happens if a journalist or Secretary of State asks Sinn Fein to accept the British Army garrison here as the only legitimate defence force.
    Which it is.
    But ask any SF member and stand back and watch the the obfuscational fireworks.
    When Martin McGuinness shakes hands with Brigadier George Orton, Commander of land forces here, 39 (Irish) Light Brigade, soon to include 1 Para, then I’ll accept the guy is serious.

  • st etienne

    In all all these debates do they forget the prize that this secures? Paramilitaries (well most of them)have given up physical force and have delivered on supporting the police.

    All hail the paramilitaries!

    Sometimes it’s difficult not to agree with the feeling you do deserve the people you vote for.

  • Cynic2

    Oh do calm down children. We have all been here before. Flash agreement, NIO singing and dancing, shouting peace in out time. Then it slowly unravels becasue no-one read the small print – or they all read it different ways.

    This deal has the NIOs slimy tentacles all over it. Lets calmly reflect on what has (and more importantly has not) been agreed,