Adams: “What do you expect me to do out it, ban him from every bar in Ireland?”

The Sunday Tribune today prints the stories of two women from prominent republican families who suffered rape/sexual abuse and who accuse the IRA and SF of a cover-up. There’s a front page news story and a double page feature inside. It is the detail that’s so damning. In one case the IRA brought the victim and the perpetrator together to check the body language to see which one was lying. Forensic? I don’t think so. Most damning of Adams is the response to the victim when she discovered her tormentor had been drinking in a pub in Letterkenny: “what do you expect me to do out it, ban him from every bar in Ireland?” If this is how the party dealt with two people from ‘Republican aristocracy’ how were cases of ordinary people dealt with?

  • Damian O’Loan

    As posted on Mark’s thread:

    Perhaps an appropriate time to raise again some of the concerns outlined in the SDLP Restorative Justice dossier – the process of bringing together victim and offender, which can be useful in cases of low-level crime and with full mutual consent is clearly not for cases of sexual abuse. Yet the protocol in place does not ensure that this won’t recur.

    “VI. Cases of concern

    (a) Cases reported to the SDLP

    The SDLP has received a number of complaints regarding CRJ. In most cases, the people concerned have been too afraid to speak out publicly.

    Examples from 2005 and this year include:

    A CRJ member witnessing a serious assault and failing to make a statement to police about it implicating his IRA colleagues.
    A paramilitary group attacking a person for failing to pay “compensation” that CRJ dictated should be paid.
    A CRJ member encouraging a family not to proceed with charges against IRA personnel who were involved in a serious assault. At the same time, the IRA was threatening the family with attack if they proceeded.
    A CRJ member dictating to a person not to work for another person who was viewed unfavourably by CRJ.
    A CRJ member informing a person that there was a threat against his life in order to get the person to attend a CRJ meeting.
    A CRJ member looking to mediate in a planning dispute.
    Allegations that some of those who covered up the murder of Robert McCartney are CRJ members.

    (b) Cases publicly reported

    There have been public reports of a number of some cases.

    For example:

    In August 2000 it was alleged that a prominent IRA man who was also a member of Community Restorative Justice sexually assaulted two girls. Some grassroots republican activists contacted the Sunday World newspaper about these allegations because they claimed that the republican leadership was trying to sweep the matter under the carpet.

    Asked to comment on this, the Director of Community Restorative Justice Ireland, Jim Auld, told the Sunday World at the time: “We have a clear understanding of what is required in cases like this. We contact Social Services about these matters and we know that the Social Services contact the RUC. And we have no problem and no difficulty with that.” (Sunday World, 6 August 2000 – Annex E).

    Yet the RUC never received the allegations and the man in question is believed to have moved to the Republic. “I haven’t heard that man’s name for years,” Mr Auld told the Sunday World when reminded of the case last November, adding that he had no idea where he was living now. (Sunday World, 6 November 2005 – Annex E).

    The Director of the Belfast Rape Crisis Centre has expressed concern that CRJ have “hampered cases by interfering with evidence which meant the perpetrators weren’t brought to court.” (Sunday Tribune, 20 November 2005, Annex E).

    The Area Management Coordinator of Foyle Women’s Aid has expressed concern about the involvement of CRJ in domestic violence. “An ex-prisoner arriving at the door and threatening a man who is beating his wife can make things worse. The CRJ person departs and the woman is left with a partner perhaps even angrier than before. In one case where CRJ was involved, the woman went on to commit suicide.” She also complained that CRJ would only agree to refer cases of domestic violence to Women’s Aid provided that they were given an undertaking that they would not be referred on to the police – and also that CRJ had been involved in telling young women to end affairs with married men. (Sunday Tribune, 20 November 2005, Annex E).

    Jane Dorrian was threatened by two CRJ members after her paranoid schizophrenic son, who had been involved in anti-social behaviour, returned to the neighbourhood contrary to IRA orders. “X told me Bernard had been seen at the house and if it happened again I’d have to get out too… Y told me twice on the phone that, if I didn’t leave my home, a 300 strong picket would be outside the door.” (Sunday Tribune, 20 November 2005, Annex E).

    Victor Notorantonio family claim that a CRJ member called his family to a meeting at which his son Frank (18) and his nephew Billy (21) were given 24 hours to leave the country. CRJ intervened following difficulties between the Notorantonio family with the neighbouring Devlin family. The intervention was unsuccessful and the family feuding escalated out of control, with a member of the Devlin family now dead. (Sunday Tribune, 20 November, Annex E).

    (c) Cases reported to the IMC

    As the International Monitoring Commission stated in its eighth report (February 2006):

    “Since we commented on community restorative justice in November 2004 and May 2005 we have heard from a number of people about their concerns over some developments. Views have reached us from organisations and from individuals, the latter speaking with first hand personal experience within the very communities where the paramilitaries have been most active and have had the tightest grip…

  • Damian O’Loan

    “These accounts have had two main features. First, that there have been some instances of people known for their involvement in community restorative justice schemes, and sometimes apparently speaking in the name of such schemes, who have tried to exert improper pressure on individuals, whether victims, alleged offenders, or members of their families. Those who have exerted this pressure are sometimes also known for their paramilitary connections. As reported to us, this pressure is seen by those on whom it is exerted as intended to secure the disposal of the crime without recourse to the criminal justice system, including police, for example by requiring the alleged offender to move to another location or to refrain from visiting certain places in future. While the allegations put to us may not always have involved actual violence against victims or alleged offenders they have sometimes referred to what has been described as an “undercurrent of threat” – and threat has been sufficient. The second feature of the accounts has been the type and seriousness of some of the offences, which fall well outside the scope of ordinary restorative justice schemes. As a matter of general principle, for example, violent offences against the person and sexual offences are not appropriate for restorative justice.”

    CRJI is now tax-payer funded.

  • TellMeMa

    “what do you expect me to do out it, ban him from every bar in Ireland?”

    Mick: I think you misinterpret Gerry. He was merely stating the limits of his power.

    Slugger seems to have the notion that every sin committed by others in West Belfast (or by any SF member) is


    and that he should have fixed every problem.

    This is a hard burden to bear.

    Is Gerry Adams the Christ of West Belfast?

    When Gerry goes, which he will do inevitably (with or without Slugger’s influence), what will so many Slugger contributors do without him?

  • TellMeMa

    Darn, put post 3 on the wrong thread…

  • Mick Fealty

    That’s the question and impersonators ask every time a major political leader steps down. We know from past experience it won’t be ‘the end of history’.

  • jack

    TELLMEMA. It would matter where you dumped that last LOAD .