Mary Lou tries her best

Make up your own minds on this performance from Mary Lou McDonald defending SF/Adams on accusations in relation to Liam Adams.

Starts at 7:50

  • John O’Connell

    Mary Lou was well out of her depth, and of course that was fortuitous for SF as she gets the benefit of the doubt from the public. But Suzanne Breen gives the Shinners a real headache.

  • socaire

    Yore kinda gal, eh John. You ole beast,you.

  • socaire

    20.Wasn’t it exhilarating to hear how manfully Smarmus dissected Mary Lou on Radio two thirds Ulster this evening.He even had his tastefully coiffed pet hack for back up. I can’t wait for him to flaunt his newly transplanted cojones at Arlene or some other poor politico. Great to see, after 30 years toadying. I think Gerry may resign himself to losing the votes of the above posting Sluggerites. Que faire?

  • alf

    you lads should get back to the dup threads, I think thats the main business, at least it will be come Sunday eh ?

  • slug

    The Co Louth records were lost because of problems with the Mitchell principles.

  • scruff

    Her brief appearance on RTE this evening was nothing short of pathetic. SF are going the Bertie / Haughey route with every hamfisted attempt they make to talk themselves out of trouble.

  • slug

    Suzanne Breen-very disbelieving of Gerry Adams.

  • joeCanuck

    Very robust questioning by Seamus McKee. I haven’t heard him before and I was impressed.
    Mary Lou was somewhat on the defensive but, interestingly, she tried to put a bit of distance between G.A.’s actions and the Party. Ominous for Adams? She did defend him to a large extent though so maybe it’s of no consequence.

  • Paul

    Well it was a pretty pathetic performance she was all over the place.

  • Ulick

    Classic performance by Seamus. I’ve long thought the Irish Paxman is undoubtably the best interviewer on this island – he was lost on Morning Ulster.

    Let himself down a little though by not pulling his surprise package Breen up on some of the issues that ML had covered. Actually I don’t think he questioned Breen on anything.

    As for ML, she done okay. Safe pair of hands in a tricky situation, though it does indicate the Shinners have lost control of the situation/feeling the pressure that they’ve had to get her involved.

  • slug

    She was batting on a sticky wicket, to be fair.

  • Paul

    #

    Suzanne Breen-very disbelieving of Gerry Adams.
    Posted by slug on Jan 15, 2010 @ 10:12 PM

    Suzanne Breen is one of the few media people who are and having being doing there job on this appalling scandal and shes doing a really good job.

  • Ulick

    Apologies for typos above. Connecting with mobile device, which incidentally, trying to navigate through Slugger is akin to driving a Porsche through a Donegal bog. I hope we don’t have long to wait on the new site because this incarnation has always been technologically inferior.

  • chewnic

    Did you ever come across Liam Adams when you were in Sinn Fein, Mark?

  • socaire

    All that’s been covered, chewnic. Nop result.

  • Mark McGregor

    chewnic,

    Was asked and answered this earlier and have no idea why it would be relevant but no. To the best of my recollection I have never had any relations with that man.

  • joeCanuck

    Careful, Mark. That last sentence sounded somewhat Clintonesque.

  • chewnic

    Sorry didn’t realise it was covered before, Mark-just idle curiosity on my part-I know that the Lower Ormeau was your turf. I suppose I was tring to establish if Sinn Fein minions such as yourself knew that Liam was an active member, then surely the Party President would have known as well?

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    I recall an interview mitchel mclaughlin did back in the 97ish era in the US. He stated he was not in the IRA and then the interviewer asked how did he know then if others were or were not in the IRA…Mitch’s answer…the republican commuinity is a tight community and people know if someone was/is in the IRA and what they are doing.
    Funny then that gerry in his own neighborhood in this tight very republican community did not know his brother was there working in the republican community. Gee…no one ever came up to gerry in all those years and said, “Hey…I saw your brother the other day at…..?”

  • joeCanuck

    Kathy,
    Can you really just come up to Gerry and say “Hey”.
    I thought you might have to be granted an audience. Oh, sorry, that’s that other guy down Italy way.

  • Mick Fealty

    Anyone having a go at Seamus, should listen to another stinker she had on the Last Word with Matt Cooper on Today FM. McKee gets it bang on here:

    “The suspicion is that Liam Adams never left the party”…

    If you read the record of what we can be sure of and that is exactly how it reads.

  • chewnic

    Any chance of Rusty Nail doing a thread on illegal trespass in the leafy suburbs of Belvoir?

  • Mark McGregor

    chewnic,

    What? Even the off site gossip isn’t accurate these days. The only time I’ve been near republicanism in the Lower Ormeau was at the age of 18 when a gung-ho IRA volunteer waved a gun in my face as a result of listening to a drunken local wife beater over those protecting a woman from a savage beating.

  • As for ML, she done okay. Safe pair of hands in a tricky situation, though it does indicate the Shinners have lost control of the situation/feeling the pressure that they’ve had to get her involved.

    Seems clear to me Ulick that you didn’t actually hear the interview. She did not do OK, she was awful, because the SF narrative is shot.

  • As for ML, she done okay. Safe pair of hands in a tricky situation, though it does indicate the Shinners have lost control of the situation/feeling the pressure that they’ve had to get her involved.

    Seems clear to me Ulick that you didn’t actually hear the interview. She did not do OK, she was awful, because the SF narrative is shot.

  • chewnic

    Mark,

    Regarding your Lower Ormeau encounter with a republican who was protecting a male abuser of women. Sounds familiar.I hope you went straight to the police and told them all that you knew , just like Adams should have done, as you no doubt agree.

    Otherwise that would make you a hypocrite-perish the thought!

  • Mary Lou did her best given the hand she was dealt.

    So many people are not and have never been in S/F the few left are probably feeling very lonely now.

    I know this if I had been there then I would be bloody furious that I could be linked, however remotely, with something like this appalling scandal. If it does nothing else it indicates very poor judgement by so called management.

  • Mary Lou did her best……..well it was pretty poor. If the hand she was dealth consists of lies, evasion coverup and selfishness, then yes, maybe she did her “best”

  • snowstorm

    Er. Yeah. I think that about sums up the hand she was dealt.

    Of course it could be argued that all politicians lie, evade and coverup, which being perfectly true, is normally the get out clause all believers fall back on, unfortunately for her the subject was child abuse and that is a knock out blow.

  • John Joe

    Heard ML on Matt Cooper on TodayFM as well. In fairness (and Cooper is woefully unsophisticated when it comes to the north), as someone else pointed out above, that’s the third or fourth ‘discussion’ I’ve seen including a journo (typically Suzanne Breen) and a Shinner. The journos aren’t questioned, implying there is only truth in their accounts, or the particular spin they are giving (invariably ways to put GA or SF at fault). She is fairly brave to take this on as it looks like a no win job.
    I would have liked to know whether, if Liam Adams’ daughter wanted to retain anonymous, surely this had implications for how everyone could treat this issue right up until it broke last year. No-one seems to be interested in that aspect though and it’s in danger now of just becoming a lazy story that is being spun out solely to try and score points against GA and/or SF. That will pretty much ensure that its impact on typical SF voters is minimised (the opposite intended affect).
    Never mind, of course and most importantly, that this is verging on making a successful prosecution of Liam Adams problematic since his technical ‘legal’ guilt has, as yet, not been established by the courts and he will no doubt claim prejudice etc now.

  • jack

    Very soon now someone from say,..Kerry ? will ask Gerry to ‘Put the shovel down’ The ‘we’ problems will not go away.

  • jack

    Very soon now someone from say,..Kerry ? will ask Gerry to ‘Put the shovel down’ The ‘we’ problems will not go away.

  • jack

    Very soon now someone from say,..Kerry ? will ask Gerry to ‘Put the shovel down’ The ‘we’ problems will not go away.

  • jack

    Very soon now someone from say,..Kerry ? will ask Gerry to ‘Put the shovel down’ The ‘we’ problems will not go away.

  • jack

    Very soon now someone from say,..Kerry ? will ask Gerry to ‘Put the shovel down’ The ‘we’ problems will not go away.

  • jack

    # sorry ,connection probs.

  • jack

    # sorry connection probs.

  • JohnJoe

    I thought Liam Adams daughter had waived the right to anonymity.

    As for a fair trial. He would have claimed that whatever. I believe it may be in his and certainly in his brothers best interest if he pleads guilty, then instead of disclosing evidence the court reads out the charges, and sentences.

    So many worrying questions have been raised that journalists and hopefully the authorities will keep this investigation ‘live’ until answers are given.

  • John Joe

    I thought she only waived it at the end of last year, though? So, how far you can go back to 1996 etc and ask why he wasn’t officially being treated as a risk without having to explain why (thus breaching her confidence)? And how far can you go with a line targeting Gerry Adams before you end up trivialising what happened to his niece by pursuing the hope of political point scoring? Surely SF were close to easing him out anyway.
    As to Liam Adams, from what we’ve seen of his actions (and I do hope I am completely wrong) – e.g., since he absconded and more or less forced his daughter into the public domain with this – I’d be afraid that he wouldn’t just plead guilty and at least let her avoid the pain of testifying in court.

  • heamaisbharney

    johnjoe,
    Gerry could have dealt with this without disclosing his niece’s name; he could have told the party that there were problems with Liam and he was unsuitable as a member and the same would apply to the IRA. Maybe Gerry was worried about what the IRA might do to a man so badly compromised by his actions as to leave himself open to all kinds of pressure from the Brits. The idea that protecting Aine meant Gerry could do little is nonsense and remember what Aine said about her last contact with him, “I ended up saying look do you know what it is, you have failed me again, when twenty years later I’ve asked you to do one thing.”.
    Gery is now saying he asked Liam to leave Sinn Féin in Dundalk rather than as previously, that he asked him to leave S.F., and before that, that he had him ‘dumped immediately.’ Surely the big questions are for Gerry Adams and his defenders rather than for the few courageous journalists we have?

  • heamaisbharney

    johnjoe,
    Gerry could have dealt with this without disclosing his niece’s name; he could have told the party that there were problems with Liam and he was unsuitable as a member and the same would apply to the IRA. Maybe Gerry was worried about what the IRA might do to a man so badly compromised by his actions as to leave himself open to all kinds of pressure from the Brits. The idea that protecting Aine meant Gerry could do little is nonsense and remember what Aine said about her last contact with him, “I ended up saying look do you know what it is, you have failed me again, when twenty years later I’ve asked you to do one thing.”.
    Gery is now saying he asked Liam to leave Sinn Féin in Dundalk rather than as previously, that he asked him to leave S.F., and before that, that he had him ‘dumped immediately.’ Surely the big questions are for Gerry Adams and his defenders rather than for the few courageous journalists we have?

  • John Joe

    Heamaisbharney, I doubt he could have said there were problems with Liam Adams in West Belfast without people wanting to know more. It was a pretty claustrophobic place in the 1980s and 1990s.
    I do think (ironically) that SF had begun to realise the need for some new direction in their leadership and that would have seen GA retire as President. He may not want to go (rightly or wrongly) over his actions, or, more correctly, inaction over his brother. It’ll be interesting to see if SF decide to push him instead, though.

  • Seamus

    He must have so much dirt on the leadership they are not able to push him.
    I think they should regardless as it looks like he`s intent on bringing the whole house down with him anyway.
    Thats what happens when an individual is allowed to become more important than the party itself.

  • Alias

    “It’ll be interesting to see if SF decide to push him instead, though.”

    Nice thought, but unless the laws of reality are temporarily suspended to allow handpicked marionettes to use their strings to pull down their manipulator, not very likely. Gerry Adams will go only when those who secured his position at the top of the Shinner hierarchy decide that it better serves their own national interests to replace him with another proxy puppeteer, i.e. the security services.

  • Alias

    Gerry Adams was a glove puppet for the security services? If that is the case he did quite a good job, there is peace and open talk that a Sinner could become first minister.

    In addition this glove puppet would have needed to be pulling the strings on quite a few other puppets, quite a feat since all of them, whilst hand (forgive me) picked, are fervent and determined supporters of a united Ireland.

    This is a side issue, that may be answered when someone gets a fortune for their memoirs. In the meantime there are serious questions about child abuse which to date are still unanswered.

  • Alias

    They’re supporters of a United Kingdom, since that is the only basis for such unity.

  • Alias

    Incidentally, how do you think the Shinners could have kept British agents out of their squalid little movement when their means of detecting British agents was run by British agents?

    Do you think they detected them by means of a raffle? No, kid, they had no means of detecting agents within their ranks for 23 years since Gerry and Martin appointed British agents to run their counter-intelligence department (the ISU) and kept them in place when standard practice is to rotate them in order to avoid the long-term infiltration that the Shinners experienced.

    Given that the Shinners had absolutely no means of detecting British agents within their ranks, and given that the British state was spending hundreds of millions recruiting them, it’s a a very safe bet that the Shinners were infiltrated from top to bottom by such agents.

    That’s probably why they endorsed the legitimacy of British sovereignty and led their own supporters to formally renounce their right to national self-determination – which, incidentally, was the key demand made of taigs within the British state since partition, and now delivered via the Shinners. 😉

  • No, they are not.

    All support a united Ireland, perhaps they are just prepared to wait, as I am for it to happen naturally, as I am sure it will.

    Basic fact: you kill one man, you lose the votes of his entire family, friends and possibly neighbours. You do as Martin McGuinness appears to have done and win the argument, you dont need the war.

    This nasty child abuse problem is in danger of damaging the work done so far, and that is yet another reason to get to the bottom of it as quickly as possible.

  • Alias

    They don’t support a united Ireland. They support a United Kingdom. That is what their paymaster employed them to do.

    A united Ireland, prior to the British-controlled Shinners, meant the extension of the right to national self-determination to those in Northern Ireland who were denied that right. Now that they have been led by the British state to formally renounce that right national self-determination, the way unit comes into the equation is by the British state their paid puppets to encourage those who have attained their right to Irish national self-determination to follow the dismal example of those wh have renounced that right and likewise renounce their own right to national self-determination, and agree to dismantle their nation-state, replacing it with a replica of Northern Ireland wherein British nationalisn holds a veto over Irish nationalism.

  • But you and everyone have that right. I believe that protestants and even ‘loyalists’ are as much Irish as we are.

    We need to bring them in and you cannot do that by trying to frighten them, all fear does is drive people away from what frightens them, which leads to the old ugly argument that anyone who disagrees can get out of Ireland.

    It will not take longer because the old way of shoot first and think later, is now unpopular with most Americans, which is where so much of the old support came from. It will take precisely as long as the first generation to grow up in a free and open environment.

    All of the legitimate reasons for continued violence have gone. Now what remains is for us to take advantage of the peace and change minds.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    most Americans…me included…don’t like to hang out or give money to men who have allowed sex offenders to work with children.

    Gerry Adams didn’t work to keep his sex abusing brother away from children. Gerry had a man working in his nieghborhood who he believed was a child rapist. Again I say…with liam in the repbulican circles around gerry’s neighborhood…over the years someone must have said to gerr….”Hey …I saw your brother the other day at….”

  • Kathy C

    Agreed! There appears indeed to have been something rotten in the straits of W Belfast. It must have been a small, tight group, to agree to remove someone they knew to be a paedophile without dealing with him, legally or not, and without letting the mainstream Sinners know.

    It may be than Gerry Adams genuinely believed it was some sort of weird ‘one off’. I say that knowing it is as ridiculous as it sounds, but hope springs eternal and I am prepared to wait for ansers. I do want to see all the questions answered.

    My hope is that it will not harm the movement as a whole, although I admit it is becoming less likely by the day.

    Some say this helps the Brits. I am not sure it does, it was going reasonably well before this. Now its open season on Sinners with any connection to Belfast.

  • Kathy C

    Agreed! There appears indeed to have been something rotten in the straits of W Belfast. If it happened as is being said, it must have been a small, tight group, to agree to remove someone they knew to be a paedophile without dealing with him, legally or not, and without letting the mainstream Sinners know.

    It may be than Gerry Adams genuinely believed it was some sort of weird ‘one off’. I say that knowing it is as ridiculous as it sounds, but hope springs eternal and I am prepared to wait for ansers. I do want to see all the questions answered.

    My hope is that it will not harm the movement as a whole, although I admit it is becoming less likely by the day.

    Some say this helps the Brits. I am not sure it does, it was going reasonably well before this. Now its open season on Sinners with any connection to Belfast.

  • Kathy C

    Agreed! There appears indeed to have been something rotten in the straits of W Belfast. If it happened as is being said, it must have been a small, tight group, to agree to remove someone they knew to be a paedophile without dealing with him, legally or not, and without letting the mainstream Sinners know.

    It may be than Gerry Adams genuinely believed it was some sort of weird ‘one off’. I say that knowing it is as ridiculous as it sounds, but hope springs eternal and I am prepared to wait for ansers. I do want to see all the questions answered.

    My hope is that it will not harm the movement as a whole, although I admit it is becoming less likely by the day.

    Some say this helps the Brits. I am not sure it does, it was going reasonably well before this. Now its open season on Sinners with any connection to Belfast.

  • Kathy C

    Agreed! There appears indeed to have been something rotten in the straits of W Belfast. If it happened as is being said, it must have been a small, tight group, to agree to remove someone they knew to be a paedophile without dealing with him, legally or not, and without letting the mainstream Sinners know.

    It may be than Gerry Adams genuinely believed it was some sort of weird ‘one off’. I say that knowing it is as ridiculous as it sounds, but hope springs eternal and I am prepared to wait for ansers. I do want to see all the questions answered.

    My hope is that it will not harm the movement as a whole, although I admit it is becoming less likely by the day.

    Some say this helps the Brits. I am not sure it does, it was going reasonably well before this. Now its open season on Sinners with any connection to Belfast.

  • Kathy C

    Agreed! There appears indeed to have been something rotten in the straits of W Belfast. If it happened as is being said, it must have been a small, tight group, to agree to remove someone they knew to be a paedophile without dealing with him, legally or not, and without letting the mainstream Sinners know.

    It may be than Gerry Adams genuinely believed it was some sort of weird ‘one off’. I say that knowing it is as ridiculous as it sounds, but hope springs eternal and I am prepared to wait for ansers. I do want to see all the questions answered.

    My hope is that it will not harm the movement as a whole, although I admit it is becoming less likely by the day.

    Some say this helps the Brits. I am not sure it does, it was going reasonably well before this. Now its open season on Sinners with any connection to Belfast.

  • socaire

    Post by Kathy C @ 6.54 “Gerry Adams didn’t work to keep his sex abusing brother away from children” Who, if anybody is moderating this post? Is this high moralled poster from the US above reproach?

  • So sorry! There has been a bit of a communication, repeat, and repeat, and. sorry!

    Socaire

    Oh come on!

    What little we know for sure totally supports Ms C.

    Gerry Adams may have a convincing answer, and if he does, would he please let us know what it is?

  • socaire

    What little you witches comes know from the gutter press and your tiny twisted minds. Who appointed yous to the bench?

  • socaire

    What little you witches know comes from the gutter press and your tiny twisted minds. Who appointed yous to the bench?

  • socaire

    What little you witches know comes from the gutter press and your tiny twisted minds. Who appointed yous to the bench?

  • tacapall

    Now its open season on Sinners with any connection to Belfast.
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 16, 2010 @ 07:14 PM

    Well Pip, that is, where the buck stops, there is no demoracy in the republican movement, people are employed/ given positions not on their abilities, but on a nudge wink, side of the mouth whisper from those who have held senior positions for too long.

  • socaire

    Oh my! Gutter press! tiny twisted minds? (I take the Witch bit as a compliment by the way).

    Please feel free to leave no stone unturned in your search for a coherent argument.

  • socaire

    This creature from the home of the brave says that Liam Adams is guilty and you support her. Is that not presumption? I don’t know the facts and I’m damned sure yous know even less. Have yous nothing to knit? No moderator so I can say what I like!

  • tacapall

    And, at the risk of alienating everyone, that is precisely the kind of thing we need to deal with. If it was true in the past, well times have changed.

    Sinn Fein will survive this crisis if they make sure we all know they have answered honestly and that any past mistakes have been permanently corrected. I mean of course by changing rules, dismissing people, that sort of thing.

  • Socaire

    It may be presumption but it aint witchcraft. If it were some people would be looking for flies to catch and the nearest pond to swim in right now.

    I have never said Liam Adams is guilty, just that there are questions to answer. If he was helped to flee from the law, then I sincerely believe that it was a small, even tiny, group that helped him. All this is happening because there are so many unanswered questions, not because people are being unreasonable.

    The good news is I also believe that it is commentators like Ms C, me and you, that is putting the fear of God into some right now. Keep it up.

  • socaire

    I repeat that Kathy C from the home of the free stated that Liam Adams was guilty and you agreed. Do you dispute this fact? Surely you are above weaselling out?

  • tacapall

    Sinn Fein will survive this crisis if they make sure we all know they have answered honestly and that any past mistakes have been permanently corrected. I mean of course by changing rules, dismissing people, that sort of thing.
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 16, 2010 @ 07:50 PM

    Of course, Dynasties have to go, princedom has to be replaced again by republicanism.

  • socaire

    Agreed, pippakin, not once but FIVE times.

  • socaire

    Im weaseling now?, and in answer to your question, no I am not, I am agreeing with her that there is room to doubt and with you that there are questions to answer. Forgive me if that sounds like Im trying to please everyone. I hope what little you know of me shows I would never run from the fray.

    What Kathy C said, if I have it correctly, is that Americans do not give money to paedophiles or the supporters of paedophiles, and I am sure she is right: they do not.

    What I am saying is: I am glad the subject is still on child abuse and whoever may have assisted them. If it is true that stakeknife has questions to answer, I hope he will be dragged into the light to answer those questions too. Oh, and just in case there is any misunderstanding I would very much like him and all of us to live to a long and ripe old age.

  • socaire

    weasel, weasel or as we say in the sticks – wheezil