“You can’t say one week “There will be no devolution of policing and justice during this A

Interesting attack line on the possible swinging of the DUP towards a deal on policing and justice from Jim Allister… And the very faint outline of an olive branch to the party’s rebels perhaps?

I recognise that there has been a minority in the DUP fighting a rearguard action against this strategic sell-out to Sinn Fein’s agenda, but yesterday they were outmanoeuvred. Today, I imagine they are feeling the same disappointment and discouragement which I was feeling 3 years ago as I tried to withstand the government-assisted tide towards mandatory coalition with Sinn Fein. I would like to hope that those opposed to this cave-in will not wilt, but then I do have to recall that in 2007 they succumbed to the pressure to conform. It would be in the interests of their country if this time they did otherwise.

“There is a powerful obligation on those who have made promises, like Lord Morrow last week, to now deliver on their pledges. You can’t say one week “There will be no devolution of policing and justice during the lifetime of this Assembly….it is not going to happen and that is it. It will not happen before the General Election or the Assembly election. It is not an issue.”, and then stand back and let it happen!

  • Drumlins Rock

    Ohh things are hotting up, Jimbo is dangling the bait in front of Lord Morrow and co. will any of them jump?

  • cut the bull

    Jim you most ceratianly can

  • cut the bull

    or even certainly can

  • ding dong

    If the DUP get across the line before Sunday morning all will be well otherwise…..

  • cut the bull

    If the PUP and the UPRG are right in relation to claims of to sharing the overwhelming community confidence within the unionist community for the devolvement of policing and justice.

    Why has that same community not given its confidence in the shape of electoral support to the PUP which has only one MLA and the UPRG which has none at all.

    Is there going to be a PUP and UPRG landslide victory at the next Assembly elections.

  • joeCanuck

    Former PM Harold Wilson summed it up neatly: “A week is a long time in politics”.

  • cut the bull

    I have visions of the Linfield fan out the whole in the wall gang sketches in relation to my last post “Is there by f**k”

  • Greenflag

    You can’t say one week

    “There will be no devolution of policing and justice during the lifetime of this Assembly and then stand back and let it happen!’

    You can’t ?? . Well perhaps J Allister can’t . but There’s a whole legacy of DUP never ever never evers and so ad infinitum – to sharing power with SF .
    And yet they did .

    I’m surprised at J Allister being so naive . I mean he after all was DUP at one time . He of all people should know that political principles become ever more elastic the closer the approach of political oblivion .

  • Harry J

    where is david vance, wish Jim would publish his receipts for every flight he took to brussels – you can fly there for £300 return yet jim was paid £1000 each trip?

    How much did each cost and what happened to the rest of the money?

  • joeCanuck

    Red herring, Harry J.
    EU rules paid a flat fee for each trip. Jim simply pocketed anything he saved. Same as the other MPs.

  • Banjaxed

    ‘Why has that same community not given its confidence in the shape of electoral support to the PUP which has only one MLA and the UPRG which has none at all.’ Cut the Bull

    Surely it has been obvious for some years that the Unionist people continually vote for the mainstream Unionist parties despite their working class areas being virtually ignored by them. Nonetheless, it should not negate any statement coming from PUP & UPRG spokesmen from those areas who would have more knowledge of grassroots opinion than Fortress DUP or CU.

  • joeCanuck

    I’ve just re-read Allister’s statement. He says that the rearguard were outmanoeuvered yesterday.
    Does he know something that we don’t? Something that happened yesterday?
    Everyone is so tight lipped and none of the usual off the record briefings.

  • Drumlins Rock

    wonder are the DUP in a rush to get things sewn up for the weekend?

  • before Sunday?

  • Harry J

    #

    Red herring, Harry J.
    EU rules paid a flat fee for each trip. Jim simply pocketed anything he saved. Same as the other MPs.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 15, 2010 @ 05:13 PM

    given that jim made up to 150 trips @ £1000 a pop thats a lot of money

    Its time he published receipts for every flight and explained what happened to the other thousands of pounds of PUBLIC money.

  • granni trixie

    Will DUPer-dissidents never learn the lessons of history? Which is that they all have to come to the table eventually to negotiate and get ahead.
    What is happending now is so reminescent of discourse prior to previous unionist splits. (think Trimble, Paisley etc etc who would “never talk to terrorists). If Lord Morrow has any sense he will turn away from TUV tempations.

    PS why does JIm A. get so much media air time? If they did the same with the very minority BNP people would be complaining yet Jimbo gets awsay with it because he is a character.

  • joeCanuck

    Granni,

    IF he had any sense.
    But he hung himself out to dry and so did Gregory Campbell. Party discipline in the DUP has all but disappeared recently.
    If P&J date is agreed in the next few days and they don’t jump ship, they will lose a lot of credibility.

  • Drumlins Rock

    whats on Sunday Aldamir?

  • joeCanuck

    DR,
    How silly you are. Sunday is when they all go to church to ask God’s forgiveness for the previous week’s transgressions.

  • Garza

    I know, why are the DUP rushing it get this deal done by sunday lol?

  • If the DUP do make a deal, which now seems likely, then it is probably better they switch to Arlene as leader and stick with her as FM, as she will not be faced with the difficulties, like for instance Nigel would, of having to explain a change of position on the devolution of Police and Justice. We will probably never know, unless we have a senior defection to the TUV, whether Robinison would have done a deal anyway and it is probably in the interests of the party so suggest that they were going to deal all along or the allegation of giving in under pressure from SF will be all the harder to refute.

    Not sure what speculation or gossip is swirling around but is it possible that Alrene was the best choice for First Minister in the DUP only after allowance was made for further allegations coming their way?

  • mastermcgrath

    The sooner Jim’s friends leave the DUP the better, will he forgive their treachery of 3 years ago and welcome Gregory (one week to prove his innocence) Campbell and Lord Morrow and the other apostles of doom into his party or will he rejecty them as unreliable mmmmmm!? The DUP need a deal now and they need to make devolution work in the next 14 months if they are going to salvage their position by the next assembly elections, the assembly is where they see their future and if they take a hit in the Westminster elections well so be it, losing some of those MPs will be no big loss and could improve party discipline. Yesterday in Craigavon 752 out of a possible 14000 unionist votes went for the TUV alternative, their candidate Mr. Calvert is an arch bigot who has no respect even within his own community and it says it all that Jim is building a prty around people like him and the North Antrim Torrens Knight apologist. Craigavon yesterday showed that even with near perfect political circumstances the TUV cant attract any significant support. The naysayimg sectarian profits of doom are on their way out but will always have some presence because people like David Calvert and Jim Allister will never change but lets everyone else move on and MAKE POLITICS WORK.

  • Harry J

    Jim still has to explain why he hasnt provided receipts for every flight he took to the EU parliament.

    Why?

  • Drumlins Rock

    I think Jim knows he needs some high profile defections, he is still a one man show in many ways, but the hardcore DUPers are extremly loyal and I would think unlikely to jump, they will just fade away…

  • joeCanuck

    Harry J,
    I’m far from being a fan of J.A. but my understanding is that receipts are not required. If he had any he’s probably disposed of them so that he doesn’t have to explain to you. You’ve brought this up on a number of threads. Nobody seems to care. I’m only responding because I have a lot of time to waste.

  • John Joe

    I think Jim A must be starting feel the ghost of Bob McCartney reaching out to him.

  • Harry J

    JOe, receipts for the public – Jim received £1000 of public money for each flight.

    Shouldnt the public know just how much each flight was?

  • joeCanuck

    Harry J,
    I understand. But I’m sure that some of our double and triple jobbing political families have become millionaires courtesy of the public purse.
    And the DUP has one member who is not only an MLA but has the spare time available to be an assistant to his MP Da and gets paid almost 10 grand by his Da the public for his sterling work.

  • georgieleigh

    Of course in his day, ex-Vanguardsman Trimble was the right-wing candidate who beat Magennis and Taylor. Filleann an feall ar an feallaire, ár ndóigh, and outflanked himslef on the right was DT and the UUP a couple of years later by the DUPers.

    Now the hardest of the hard are having to face facts, and yet again the siren voices shout Lundy.

    One day the Unionists will shift to the left. That’s the day Nationalists should worry about.

  • Harry J

    JOe,

    we are talking about almost £150,000 handed out in flight fares.

    How much of that actually went on flights?

  • Quagmire

    Being very careful what I say here.Apparantly there are more revelations to come in relation to a certain Unionist Party and a property developer in East Belfast. Not good news I’m led to believe. Also heard that a very senior figure in that Party is to be outed as a homosexual in the coming days. Without naming names has anyone else heard anything about this?

  • The Raven

    Yeah. 🙂

  • Pete83

    “Also heard that a very senior figure in that Party is to be outed as a homosexual in the coming days. Without naming names has anyone else heard anything about this?”

    I could not care less about someone’s sexuality. I hate the fact that in Northern Ireland we are at least 15 years behind the rest of the civilised world in giving a damn about this!

    Any chimps want a banana?

  • Scaramoosh

    “we are at least 15 years”

    More like 50.

  • Quagmire

    “I could not care less about someone’s sexuality. I hate the fact that in Northern Ireland we are at least 15 years behind the rest of the civilised world in giving a damn about this!”

    Any chimps want a banana?
    Posted by Pete83 on Jan 15, 2010 @ 07:13 PM

    The point is though, that the alleged person has criticised homosexuality in the past and what is more has preached about the immorality of it, ala Iris style, which would make them a hypocrite. Add in to the mix that he/she is also a memeber of one of the most right wing christian fundelmentalist political parties in the western world… You see where I’m going with this chap?

  • Pete83

    I can indeed if this is another Iris-esque case of hypocrisy but at the same time would not want this to turn into a case of gay-bashing. Its just all so uninspiring.

  • Drumlins Rock

    if what I have saw is true this will rock the DUP to the core.

  • Garza

    “Also heard that a very senior figure in that Party is to be outed as a homosexual in the coming days. ”

    Only one?

    “if what I have saw is true this will rock the DUP to the core”

    Very much agreed!!

  • joeCanuck

    C’mon; the picture was obviously photoshopped. By an amateur to boot.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I heard that story about the alleged homosexuality of a certain person (who shall remain nameless) some years ago, and like most people in the DUP that person has denounced the same in public. If you’re guessing who it is, you probably guessed correctly.

    It won’t help the DUP, but it will end the career of that person if there is compelling evidence that it is true.

  • joeCanuck

    It shouldn’t be about anyone’s sexuality but I always get a twinge of satisfaction to see a hypocrite being exposed.

  • Comrade Stalin

    BTW DUP supporters rabbiting on about Jim’s expenses back when he was an MP only makes you sound hypocritical. Stop trying to outflank the TUV – you can’t. Focus instead on selling devolution!

  • Brian MacAodh

    Harry J

    That is just a drop in the bucket of the money that is going in the pockets of these politicians and their friends/allies…one way or the other.

    But I certainly agree with you. If the average price really is 300, that is 150×700=105K!! How many families could have used a fraction of a fraction of that amount.

  • Greenflag

    georgieleigh,

    ‘Filleann an feall ar an feallaire’

    pronounced as in

    ‘Fillin uhn fyowl air uhn fyowlareh ‘

    Translation

    ‘Treachery is returned unto the traitor ‘

    Thanks for that georgie . A great idiom as Gaeilge and I don’t think it can be bettered in the English or Hiberno English 🙂

    To give in because of their current internal difficulties would be not only bad for unionism but disasterous for the DUP.

  • Harry J

    My problem is why has it not been revealed? why not set out the cost of Jims flights wtih what was paid and explain what happened to the rest, before critising others.

  • joeCanuck

    Harry,
    I really do think you are flogging a dead horse. That question was part of last year’s expenses scandal. As I said before, we know where the leftover money went; it went into Allister’s pocket, same as for all the MEPs. And that was/is within the rules.
    Complain to the European Parliament if you don’t like it.

  • Harry J

    And that was/is within the rules..

    isnt that the excuse MPs used, deosnt make it right.

  • Drumlins Rock

    is it Sunday yet?

  • alf

    not quite sunday yet, though im sure we shall see more by 8pm this evening

  • Greenflag

    harry ,

    Take JC’s advice . That horse is dead . You could complain to the European Parliament via your local MEP . And yes it sounds like a ‘perk’ for which no doubt MEP’s will have ready made answers -anti social work hours -absence from family – security hassle at airports – no end of crap .