Policeman in hospital after car bomb attack

The BBC are reporting that a policeman has been taken to hospital after a bomb exploded under his car in Randalstown this morning.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said the officer has been seriously injured. There is an ongoing security alert at the scene of the explosion on Milltown Road in Randalstown. No one has claimed responsibility for planting the bomb, which exploded at 0630 GMT.

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  • LukeCass

    A total disgrace. This society needs to be rid of attacks such as these.

  • Stunning_Steve

    That was really clever I feel inches closer to having a Dail government now, I really do.

    The perpetrator needs both prison and reschooling and few cigarette burns in sensitive areas to see if he/she understands the feeling of pain from pain infliction by others.

  • Mr. J.

    I really do wish, quite simply, that these people would fuck off.

  • Seimi

    Anyone claiming the attack yet?

  • Skintown Lad

    Can someone please tell the dissidents to keep the noise down – can’t they see the rest of us are trying to have a dirtysexymoney political scandal like they have in normal countries?

  • RepublicanStones

    Hopefully the victim is alright.

  • Let’s hope the injured officer makes a strong recovery.

    “[Goggins] said the work the PSNI was doing to make towns and cities safer” … BBC link above

    That would be closing police stations and reducing police manpower and resources – as a result of political direction or otherwise.

  • Greenflag

    stunning steve ,

    ‘The perpetrator needs both prison and reschooling and few cigarette burns in sensitive areas to see if he/she understands the feeling of pain from pain infliction by others.’

    No they don’t . The perpetraitors need summary trial , conviction of guilt, and then a firing squad !!

  • Gael gan Náire

    http://andrumamornuacht.blogspot.com/2010/01/peas-gaelach-gortaithe-go-dona.html

    An Druma Mór is reporting that the victim is the captain of the PSNI Gaelic team and is an Irish speaker.

    Not that that changes anything.

  • Paddy

    Good post Gael. I bet the GAA would wish these guys would just fuck off. An earlier Slugger thread was on the dissidents’ new year statements. They live in their own dream world.

    And if any GAA man/Gaelgoir knows anything, will lthey be nutted? PIRA have, of coruse, killed GAA members and knee capped Donegal Irish speakers.

    Though Irish nationalism is the correct ideology to have in Ireland, Irish patriots certainly devalue the “coin of the realm”, trying, as they do to be parasites on it.

  • Paddy

    http://tinyurl.com/y9d4lwa

    Martin McGuinness weighs in, saying the injured copper was an Irish speaker etc. One cannot help wonder, however, is this a Provo dirty tricks op to take the spotlight away from Gerry and his pedo family.

  • KieranJ

    To paraphrase the Long Fellow upon the assassination of Field Marshal Henry Wilson:

    “I do not approve, but I must not pretend to misunderstand” – Eamon de Valera

  • Brian MacAodh

    I don’t approve or understand.

  • TheRubber

    I hope the victim pulls through.

    I really admire Catholic police officers in the PSNI. To my uneducated eye it seems like really good way to make justice and policing more even handed but what do I know.

  • joeCanuck

    I hope, like others, that this policeman does fully recover.
    I hope too that this story doesn’t get buried in the Robinson feeding frenzy.

  • Peter Fyfe

    Would these scum go away once and for all.

    KeiranJ

    If you understand, tell the rest of us why these morons don’t have the intellectual capacity to realise the irish people don’t want them or their ideas.

  • Danny O’Connor

    The sort of Ireland that these scumbags are trying to create,is not one that I would want to be a part of,I hope that the officer makes a complete recovery.
    I wish this man and his wife every good wish,and would want to express my gratitude to those courageous men and women and their families for the brave decision to join the PSNI and to try and build a better society.

  • Mr Crowley

    BBC Newsline reporting that injured peeler is Peadar Hefferan a 10 year veteran and relative of a senior shinner.

    The timing of this is very suspect imo and one can only hope that this doesn’t deflect attention from Liamgate and Irisgate which expose the rotten nature of partionist politics.

  • socaire

    Am I reading between the lines of some posts that this was an Irish Nationalist policeman who was injured? If not, what matter if he was heathen or Jew? Sure the RIC were 99% catholic. What relevance has this to anything?

  • villager

    It has relevance because a consistent theme of republican propaganda has been the fact that the police was overwhelmingly protestant, whilst going out of their way to target Catholic officers.

  • The thinking behind these kind of attacks are that while part of Ireland remains occupied by the British government and her Armed Forces….they will continue.

    They are also designed to intimidate serving RUC/PSNI Officers into leaving the force; while also deterring those thinking about joining.

    Let’s be honest here, the RUC/PSNI are and have been working closely with MI5 and the SAS…

    Therefore, attacks like this will continue…

  • Mr Crowley

    19.Am I reading between the lines of some posts that this was an Irish Nationalist policeman who was injured?
    Posted by socaire on Jan 08, 2010 @ 06:52 PM

    No, he isn’t an Irish Nationalist he is a member of the PSNI.

  • union mack

    ‘The thinking behind these kind of attacks are that while part of Ireland remains occupied by the British government and her Armed Forces….they will continue. Let’s be honest here, the RUC/PSNI are and have been working closely with MI5 and the SAS…’

    the current accommodation is the will of almost everyone on this island. if dissidents hate so much what 99.9% of the population are in favour of, they should turn their weapons on themselves

  • Mr Crowley

    the current accommodation is the will of almost everyone on this island. if dissidents hate so much what 99.9% of the population are in favour of, they should turn their weapons on themselves

    Posted by union mack on Jan 08, 2010 @ 07:34 PM

    Your analytical skills are right up there with your punctuation skills. Within the 6 alone there is a considerable portion of the population opposed to the present ‘accomodation’ as you call it. Their numbers are actually growing on both the Unionist and Nationalist / Republican sides and recent revelations in regard to the integrity of the political leaders most advocating the ‘accomodation’ shall only intensify the growth. It is for this reason that I find the targeting and action itself to be questionable, particularly when it had the convenient Massarene tie-in. This attack is most likely to have been directed by those most interested in shoring up the ‘accomodation’ as opposed to those most interested in it’s demise.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Ardoyne Republican,no body it appears works closer with MI5 than the leadership of the republican movement,This attack is against every Irishman and Irishwoman who exercised their sovereignty in the referenda north and South in 1998 .They cannot claim to have any legitamacy whatsoever,this was wrong,no excuses wrong.

  • Union Mack,

    Sadly Irish history is full of similar attacks and regardless of the ‘will of the people’ etc…

    While Britain, imperialism and capitalism remains in Ireland attacks like the one this morning will undoubtably continue…

    Condemning is not enough, militant republicanism has been around for over two centuries as have attacks by Britain?

  • union mack

    Mr. Crowley

    the coming elections will prove the levels of this support. i don’t believe it is sizeable, particularly on the republican side, although time will tell. as for this attack being a conspiracy by those ‘most interested in shoring up’ the status quo, i guess that’s the kind of irrefutable analysis that we have been missing for a long time.

    p.s. bit of a cheek to criticise my punctuation error when you can’t seem to spell… 😉

  • union mack

    Mr. Crowley

    the coming elections will prove the levels of this support. i don’t believe it is sizeable, particularly on the republican side, although time will tell. as for this attack being a conspiracy by those ‘most interested in shoring up’ the status quo, i guess that’s the kind of irrefutable analysis that we have been missing for a long time.

    p.s. bit of a cheek to criticise my punctuation error when you can’t seem to spell… 😉

  • Danny, I didn’t say I agreed with the attack this morning, nor did I say it was right…

    I was simply pointing out the facts as those behind it believe…..

    Regards being against every Irishman and Woman…I disagree chara, support for these attacks will grow the longer partition and imperialism remain here!

  • Mr Crowley

    every Irishman and Irishwoman who exercised their sovereignty in the referenda north and South in 1998
    Posted by Danny O’Connor on Jan 08, 2010 @ 07:56 PM

    Irishmen and women exercising ‘their sovereignty’ in seperate referenda…..can’t you see the self-defeating nature of that statement?

  • joeCanuck

    Ardoyne Republican,

    Murder or attempted murder is simply that; no dressing it up as a “blow for Irish freedom” will excuse those who try to deny the will of the people, as freely expressed in the referenda, by force of terror.

  • pinni

    BBC: Constable Peadar Heffron, 33, is an Irish language specialist for the PSNI and captain of the PSNI GAA team.

    And the people who tried to murder him call themselves Irishmen. They are nothing but the scum of the earth!

  • Danny O’Connor

    No the same question was asked and a majority in both Jurisdictions ,is a Majority of the Irish people.The people in the south were an even bigger majority ,The Irish people have spoken on One issue and have given their support,It is therefore the will of the people,I would like to see this country united,but you have to get your head around the fact that the border exists ,not only in jnternational law- but in the hearts and minds of a very large number of people,the people will have to be united,long before the territory,You will not persuade people with bombs and guns.
    We are where we are,we are not where we were,how do we chart a course to where we want to go ,based on the reality of where we are now.
    I do not think bombs or guns will play any part in uniting the people.

  • Mr Crowley

    who try to deny the will of the people, as freely expressed in the referenda, by force of terror.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 08, 2010 @ 08:33 PM

    I don’t support armed actions such as what happened today but I also cannot agree with the nonsense that you are spouting here. The GFA was ushered in on the back of what has been proven to have been ‘terror’ largely orchestrated and managed by the same British state which set all the preconditions for negotiations. The GFA was negotiatied by corrupt and compromised politicians who had previously and have since shown contempt for the people whose interests they claimed to represent. Non Unionist GFA supporters are actually more deluded than armed militants.

  • Peter Fyfe

    Mr Crowley

    Are you suggesting results would have been any different if this had been an all-island referendum? I hope not as that would be quite foolish. How well did independant republicans poll in the last elections? It wasn’t very well, was it?

    Ardoyne Republican

    I understand the misgivings directed at capitalism but do you not accept free enterprise plays a very important role in encouraging growth and increasing a country’s wealth? I personally am not a fan of unbridled capitalism due to those at the bottom who are exploited. For many parts of the economy however it does achieve the most efficient allocation of resources. I am all for checks and balances to the system to protect those at the bottom. Do you really think we will ever see an end to capitalism in Ireland?

  • joeCanuck

    Mr.Crowley,

    No nonsense. The GFA was negotiated by elected politicians and the current bunch, useless though they all are IMO, have been elected too. There you have it.

  • socaire

    We are moving away from the issue here. That a young fellow with an interest in indigenous language and sport has, somehow, been misled into believing that joining the british police is a good thing. Misled by the likes of the half a loafers in the SDLP and the drinkers in the Last Chance Saloon, he has been seriously wounded. Will the shadowy old men in armchairs be proud of their latest ‘volunteer’?

  • Joe Canuck,

    Your words about murder or attempted murder are very much like, Maggie Thatcher’s!

    Regards the force of terror…Ireland’s right to self-determination has been denied her for over 800 years and while that continues……. attacks against members of the Crown Forces will also continue.

    It isn’t about dressing anything-up, it is fact!

  • Danny O’Connor

    socaire-sosick,This man is the victim of a bunch of scumbags who will never accept the will of the people,they have no mandate,no moral justification,only that they are right and everybody else is wrong,deluded fascists with weapons – but no clue on how to build a united Ireland.At least half a loaf is preferrable to jam tomorrow.

  • Mr Crowley

    Are you suggesting results would have been any different if this had been an all-island referendum? I hope not as that would be quite foolish.
    Posted by Peter Fyfe on Jan 08, 2010 @ 08:58 PM

    Peter, your question is misleading; people were essentially given a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ option on a British treaty which ran contrary to accepted international law and which was ‘negotiated’ on precodition of the acceptance of British rule in Ireland. ‘Yes’ to the GFA and British rule or ‘no’ to the GFA and more violence; quite remeniscent of ‘immediate and terrible war’.
    What would be just and proper would be an all Ireland referendum on Irish unity yet Britain has never allowed such a referendum to take place. This is because Britain has ‘selfish, strategic interests in Ireland’ and as such the GFA is founded on a fraud. It is little wonder that it has been championed by the likes of Tony Blair, Bertie Ahern and Gerry Adams.

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr.Crowley,

    No nonsense. The GFA was negotiated by elected politicians and the current bunch, useless though they all are IMO, have been elected too. There you have it.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 08, 2010 @ 09:01 PM

    Corrupt and unscrupulous politicians manage to get elected and the people bare the brunt of their iniquity. Charlie Haughey, Bertie Ahern, Richard Nixon, George W Bush, Tony Blair, Gerry Adams, Iris Robinson and even Adolf Hitler all managed to get elected. There is no such thing as infallibility by mandate.

  • socaire

    Wait ’til I tell you, Danny Boy. When the Provisional Alliance were grooming young men and sending them out to lose their lives fighting against the British and their running dogs, your sorry excuse for a party condemned them from the heights. How dare these godfathers mislead our youth and send them out to die. Now you and the likes of you are encouraging ‘our youth’ to join a british paramilitary police force and if they are targetted and killed/wounded you and the likes of you are to blame as YOU use them to advance YOUR policies. Gutless, half a loafers go fóill.

  • Mr Crowley

    Socaire, the injured peeler is a relative of a senior shinner. The shinners are also encouraging people to join the colonial constabulary and to provide information to their intelligence controllers in MI5. It’s a little rich of you to be slagging a stoop when your party has adopted all of their policies and outstooped them in many cases.

  • socaire

    Mr Crowley, you presume too much!

  • Danny O’Connor

    Fact What the provos did was wrong.
    Fact what dissidents are doing now is wrong.
    Fact republicans did nothing to help people being targetted by loyalists in this area.
    Fact they are not my policies,the fact that I am a public representative means that they are the people’s policies.
    It is quite clear that you have little understanding of democracy when you cannot seem to get your head around that.
    The clue is in the words PUBLIC REPRESENTATIVE.

  • Just heard all the Heffron family have been summonsed to the hospital.
    Hope this isn’t a bad sign.

  • 21 If attacks like these continue then so will the divide. I suspect that some so called Republicans are more interested in their own little empires than they are in uniting the country.

    24, Mr Crowley is your christian name Alastair by any chance? A well educated man like you will no doubt immediately recognise the name For your delectation and delight I havent bothered with anything but the minimal punctuation Not necessarily in the right order.

  • Mr Crowley

    I would like to see this country united,but
    Posted by Danny O’Connor on Jan 08, 2010 @ 08:49 PM

    You’re a partitionist Danny. No ifs, ands or buts about it. All your ballsology talk about the ‘will of the people’ is rather rich; when did the British establishment ever give an eff about the will or opinion of the Irish people?

  • Danny O’Connor

    No Mr Crowley Iam a Catholic,I am also a democrat.
    I dont give a fiddlers elbow for what you think.Murder is wrong.

  • socaire

    Fact: Wrong or not -they’re in and you’re out
    Fact: In your humble opinion, the ‘dissidents’ are wrong.
    Fact: You would have been the first bombaster on air if the Provos had attacked loyalists in your area.
    Fact: They are your party’s policies and you only represent stoop voters.
    I know enough about democracy to know that this state is not democratic even though you do your best to pretend.
    The clue is in the words HAS BEEN.

  • Mr Crowley

    No Mr Crowley Iam a Catholic,I am also a democrat.
    I dont give a fiddlers elbow for what you think.Murder is wrong.
    Posted by Danny O’Connor on Jan 08, 2010 @ 10:46 PM

    Your religion means nothing, you are a partionist who accepts British rule in Ireland and as such cannot call yourself a democrat. There is no point in condemning murder when you accept the murder machine.

  • socaire

    Was it murder, Danny Boy, when your government forces riddled the attackers at Loughgall RUC station? A simple yes or no will suffice.

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr Crowley is your christian name Alastair by any chance? A well educated man like you will no doubt immediately recognise the name

    My given name is neither Alastair, Aleister nor indeed Ozzy and I’m not a Christian.

  • Danny O’Connor

    socaire ,I couldn’t care whether they’re in or out,The truth is still the truth ,even if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie evev if everybody believes it.Sticks and stones. I put my policies to the electorate and if I am elected , then that is my duty,to represent people.I have never asked anybody who they voted for when they come to me for help.and as for being a stoop at least I have enough courage to put my name to my posts.
    Courage is not something I associate with terrorists and their cheerleaders.

  • Mr Crowley

    Was it murder, Danny Boy, when your government forces riddled the attackers at Loughgall RUC station? A simple yes or no will suffice.
    Posted by socaire on Jan 08, 2010 @ 10:54 PM

    Would these be the same IRA volunteers set up for liquidation by the leadership of your party Socaire? Do you not find it coincidental that Aine Tyrell reported Liam Adams to the RUC, thus compromising Dear Leader, in 1987 which was the same year as Loughgall and the year in which the liquidations which paved the way for the GFA began in earnest?

  • Neither was Mr Crowley someone I see is at least known two you.

    You know what they say ‘the devil makes work for idle hands’ It appears some hands have found the devils work.

    Dragging the north back into conflict drags it away from a United Ireland

  • Danny O’Connor

    Were they in a firefight,which they lost,I dont know.I do know that i believe Aidan MacAnespie was murdered,I believe Pat Finnucane was murdered.I also believe that Jean McConville was murdered and that Eamonn Collins and Robert McCartney were murdered.
    Too many have been murdered and still some people want it to go on.

  • socaire

    I thought that the objective of real politicians was to be in power, yet you don’t care if the PSF is in government and you’re not? You are a public representative and it’s your choice to put your name to your posts. I, however, am a private citizen and in your democracy it is unwise to sign anything.I don’t doubt that you serve your constituents to the best of your ability and at a high personal cost but that doesn’t get away from the fact that YOU and YOUR party encourage young Irish people to join a foreign police force. You are a neo-Redmondite and have suffered because the Irish people have rejected you.

  • Skintown Lad

    Ardoyne Republican

    It’s pretty clear that you support the continuation of this senseless violence even though the vast majority of Irish people don’t want it. Your attempts at vague ‘explanation’ of dissident attacks are groundless and vacuous.

  • Mr Crowley

    Dragging the north back into conflict drags it away from a United Ireland
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 08, 2010 @ 11:05 PM

    Go ahead there and point out where I have advocated ‘dragging the north back into conflict’.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Power is not something which I desire above my principles,and I have been asked to join SF by some senior people in that party,but I will not sacrifice what I believe in.There is a saying that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely,news over the past wee while illustrates that.

  • Skintown Lad

    socaire

    I once browsed some British white supremecist forums to see the sort of views they had. Their use of language, their tone and their world-view reminds me alarmingly of yours. They appear to be completely deluded and have a seige mentality rooted entirely in their own heads. Very few Irishmen think like you. Is that because they are not real Irishmen or because you have it wrong? Perhaps you know what is best for them and they should not be allowed to decide for themselves.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Skintown Lad
    Well said

  • Pete Baker
  • socaire

    Out of curiosity, Danny Boy. What separates yous from the Provisional Alliance at the moment. You both are anti violence, both centre left, both anti partition, both pro Gaeilge. Could you slip a credit card between yous? Both sectarian catholic parties?

  • Danny O’Connor

    Good night everybody.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Just another day in the neighborhood… the talking heads talk a good game, whilst the Neanderthals are still out there playing their little games, where the score is kept in bodies.

    I guess its true — they — *neither* sides they — haven’t gone away.

  • socaire

    Skintown Lad, you have no problems. Very few Irishmen think like me.If you are happy with the present set-up, maith thú. If not, rage against it.

  • socaire

    Good post, Pete. Am leaba.

  • socaire

    And to finish off, Mr Crowley. Were you not a member of the Provisional Alliance at the time of Loughgall?

  • Skintown Lad

    I think you might be drunk so I will finish now. Goodnight.

  • Pete Baker
  • socaire

    In the morning I’ll be sober and you’ll still be …..? I don’t drink or do drugs BTW

  • socaire

    Ah, Pete. If Liam Adams says it’s dark, well then it might be dark. If Pete says it’s true, it might just be true.

  • Mr Crowley

    And to finish off, Mr Crowley. Were you not a member of the Provisional Alliance at the time of Loughgall?
    Posted by socaire on Jan 08, 2010 @ 11:32 PM

    Hardly, given that I was 12 years old.

  • socaire

    My apologies, young Crowley. You hadn’t even joined at that stage.

  • Mr Crowley your tacit support for dissident republicanism is in itself an indication. It is obvious whether you like it or not that the vast majority of the people of this Ireland, whichever government is in power, do not want to go back to the old ways.

    I suggest that it is possible, and indeed quicker, to persuade unionists (already M McGuinness is popular with both sides)to vote for the party of their choice. To that end we should discourage religious politics and concentrate on policies. I look forward to F/F and F/G challenging as they should have been doing long since.

  • Mr Crowley

    Mr Crowley your tacit support for dissident republicanism is in itself an indication. It is obvious whether you like it or not that the vast majority of the people of this Ireland, whichever government is in power, do not want to go back to the old ways.

    I am a Republican and I am not a ‘dissident’ as I don’t dissent from Irish Republican principles. This doesn’t mean that I do or indeed have to endorse physical force; which I don’t.
    I desire neither to go back to the ‘old ways’ nor continue with the present ways. As for your ridiculous notions about FG and FF organising in the 6, that’ll do wonders for eliminating political corruption.
    Try actually thinking for yourself as opposed to recycling half-assed rhetoric and sloganism.

  • Eliminating political corruption?? Are you off your head??? As for my ‘ridiculous notions’ as you so succinctly put it, they will certainly happen. I just hope sooner rather than later.

    If I was not thinking before you ignorant edjit I am certainly thinking now and I note that I was right about the ‘dissident republicanism’. Half-assed rhetoric appears to be your favorite indulgence.

  • Henry94

    Mr. Crowley

    I don’t dissent from Irish Republican principles. This doesn’t mean that I do or indeed have to endorse physical force; which I don’t.

    Why not?

  • Mr Crowley

    Good man, keep throwing out the ‘dissident Republican’ label as your fallback strategy. I suppose it’s easier than actually attempting debate. Have you seen the state of the 26C, how could you consider FF and FG organising in the 6 as a positive development?
    Irish Republicanism is about the empowerment of all the Irish people and an end to their exploitation by both foreign and domestic oligarchies. It’s no accident that it was founded by mainly dissident Protestants in the age of enlightenment.
    The Irish people north and south might yet wake up and realise their potential. Few of the present political encumbents will play any worthwhile part in that process.

  • Mr Crowley

    Henry 94,
    I feel that physical force activity is too prone to infiltration and misdirection. Consider the infiltration, manipulation and assimilation of the PRM by the British establishment and the manner in which the Omagh bombing stifled the development of Republican opposition to the GFA. It could be argued that limited armed action can have disproportionate political effect, i.e Massarene, however the inherent risks and limitations outweigh the apparent strategic gains, imo.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mr Crowley: “I suppose it’s easier than actually attempting debate. Have you seen the state of the 26C, how could you consider FF and FG organising in the 6 as a positive development?”

    For starters, the current crop of clowns are past their sell-by date — a few new additions to the fun fair freak show couldn’t hurt… maybe a bearded lady or a fella with a parasitic twin.

    The current crop of freaks and geeks in the Executive aren’t even trusted with real power are really are just a side-show to impress the rubes.

  • Good man? Pippakin is my cats name but we both have claws. I was not the first to resort to abuse, except for the Crowley thing which I admit was a low blow.

    I have no faith in any of the political parties, but I feel strongly that neither the DUP or the UUP will ever gain a clear majority within Ireland. S/F will not because they are too socialist, that leaves Labour who I confess I lean toward, but again are too socialist or, since I cannot see a majority voting Green, the big two.

    It will happen it has to there aint nothin else.

  • Mr Crowley

    For starters, the current crop of clowns are past their sell-by date—a few new additions to the fun fair freak show couldn’t hurt… maybe a bearded lady or a fella with a parasitic twin.

    The current crop of freaks and geeks in the Executive aren’t even trusted with real power are really are just a side-show to impress the rubes.

    Stormont is just that; a sideshow, a corrupt sectarian pantomime tasked with the normalisation of British rule. It doesn’t work, can’t work and won’t work. The entire process needs to be renegotiated from the getgo without preconditions. Unfortunately there are few who could be trusted with such responsibility.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mr. Crowley: “I feel that physical force activity is too prone to infiltration and misdirection. Consider the infiltration, manipulation and assimilation of the PRM by the British establishment and the manner in which the Omagh bombing stifled the development of Republican opposition to the GFA.”

    Sure, an’ the fella couldn’t have possible managed to do something counterproductive all on their own — had to be them British devils in pulling their strings… The dissidents were too illiterate to read the writing on the wall.

    Mr. Crowley: “It could be argued that limited armed action can have disproportionate political effect, i.e Massarene, however the inherent risks and limitations outweigh the apparent strategic gains, imo. ”

    Not at this late date — as a minimum, a return to any sort of sustained armed action would be something of an uphill sale. While it takes little in the way of resources to sustain a revolutionary movement, it would open the door to all the old problems. Hell, it might even force the PSNI to find their balls and enforce the law.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mr. Crowley: “Stormont is just that; a sideshow, a corrupt sectarian pantomime tasked with the normalisation of British rule. It doesn’t work, can’t work and won’t work.”

    Ah, but it does and it can, Mr. Crowley. So long as the groundhogs are focused upon the sideshow, so long as you have SF / PIRA tasked with the administration of British rule, it is working and will continue to work. It benefits that they have so little power that they fight like starving dogs over a bone. For the purposes of the Executive, the recent unpleasentnesses for the Robinsons and the Adamses are gravy.

    Bread and circuses were replaced with the dole and the Executive. Enjoy the show.

  • Oh Mr Crowley we let the people choose if they choose a bearded lady, well did not some place in Yorkshire vote for a bloke in bear suit?

    The executive is not designed to be permanent. The Brits could leave tomorrow. The whole set up is actually geared to a handover.

    I have yet to see a political system which is not corrupt, it is certainly one of the things the Brits and the Irish have in common.

    Protestants can be persuaded, as you say and as we see, the existing Unionist parties are corrupt, do you think we are the only ones to see that. I believe protestants are Irish too and I hope it will not be long before they think so too.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    pippakin: “The executive is not designed to be permanent. The Brits could leave tomorrow. The whole set up is actually geared to a handover.”

    Sure’n, and the sun could rise in the west tomorrow, but I shan’t hold my breath on the matter.

    pippakin: “Protestants can be persuaded, as you say and as we see, the existing Unionist parties are corrupt, do you think we are the only ones to see that. I believe protestants are Irish too and I hope it will not be long before they think so too. ”

    Sadly, the point you seem to overlook is that the parallax is equally valid.

  • It is late and I am getting tired so I could be wrong, but did you just suggest that republicans/nationalists could vote for Unionists?

    Name one, name one Unionist worth a vote, they may not be up to the ears in muck, but the shite is rising fast. No, no matter what the stories are, the Unionists do not have the backing to appeal large scale.

    The sun will rise in the east and set on the Unionists without the need for another death.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Pippakin: “It is late and I am getting tired so I could be wrong, but did you just suggest that republicans/nationalists could vote for Unionists?”

    Not really, although that is within the realm of possibility, at least as Mr. Crowley measures that realm…

    What I was suggesting is that the main crop of Republican politicians seem have some difficulties where ethics are concerned. Also, for being the alleged smart fellas, they’re none to bright. About the only one that strikes as having the wits the Lord gave a rodent would be wee Marty, and that’s based mainly on his cunning ability to know when to keep his mouth shut.

    The pain and the joy of a democracy is that the electorate always gets the government and leadership they deserve. When they decide they deserve better, they will get better, but not before.

  • Knowing when to keep your mouth shut is a gift indeed I wish I had it! besides he probably kept quiet over poor Peters latest problems because he could not have kept the smile off his face long enough to get the pious, sympathetic words out.

    All politicians have problems with ethics, most of them would have to buy a dictionary to find it, but then they would just claim on expenses.

    Goodnight Dread Cthulhu I hope you have an eventful night.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    pippakin: “Knowing when to keep your mouth shut is a gift indeed I wish I had it! besides he probably kept quiet over poor Peters latest problems because he could not have kept the smile off his face long enough to get the pious, sympathetic words out.”

    As the rabbit said, if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all… Marty’s done a good job on this front. Grand sweeping pronouncement usually require moral authority or an electorate so deep in your hip pocket that they have to fax in the daylight. Marty has been fairly circumspect — almost thoughtful in picking his fights, at least his political ones. I c’n respect that.

    pippakin: “All politicians have problems with ethics, most of them would have to buy a dictionary to find it, but then they would just claim on expenses.”

    Amen

    Pippakin: “Goodnight Dread Cthulhu I hope you have an eventful night. ”

    Beats living in interesting times… you have a good night yourself!

  • Henry94

    Mr Crowley

    The entire process needs to be renegotiated from the getgo without preconditions. Unfortunately there are few who could be trusted with such responsibility.

    If only we had ideal representatives and an ideal electorate made up of the ideal “Irish People” in your head then we’d be flying.

    Last time we had the leading and most successful politicians of their generation in Britain Ireland and America involved. We had Paisley the leader of hardline unionism throughout the whole of the troubles and we had the people who had shaped the Republican Movement. And they were all working to John Hume’s indisputable analysis of the problem.

    What would we start from scratch with? The hard-line Johnny Come Latelys from both rows of the slow class. And hey Obama, if you’re not too busy could you give us a few years of your life?

  • Mr Crowley

    John Hume’s indisputable analysis of the problem.
    Posted by Henry94 on Jan 09, 2010 @ 08:44 AM

    When your argument hinges on statements like that you are in trouble.

  • Scaramoosh

    Another own goal by the fat, middle aged, balding, inarticulate, chain smoking, council estate heroes that constitute the true governmnet of Ireland…..

  • Rory Carr

    These murderous attacks by dissident republicans such as the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA are much like the actions of a brutal man whose wife and family have ceased to love and who have rejected him because of his violent nature. He then determines that he will restore his family by beating them further until they grow to love him anew and give him the respect to which his insanity has permitted him to believe he is entitled.

  • querulus

    RC

    Good post, that about sums it up.

  • Paddy

    These brutal attacks seem more like well timed attacks on Catholic “collaborators” to me. The BBC reports today that thei njured copper was helping the PSNI/RUC with their Irish and that one of his relatives is a top Sinn Feiner.
    The Guardian and The Daily Mail have big covereage of it too, as well as pages and editorials on Mrs Robinson’s fling with the gigolo.

    They also report that a British Army officer at Sandhurst was freed even though he screwed an underage girl. (= mandatory rape). So maybe Liam Adams will be fine. After all, better to concentrate on the sex flings of menopausal women with worthless gigolos than in protecting four year olds from Sinn Feiners and Nutting Squad chappies.