Adams family saga being buried on Wikipedia?

Interesting edit war going on at Gerry Adams’ biography page on wikipedia. All mention of claims his father was abusive and his involvement around allegations over his brother Liam are currently removed and subject to intense argument on the discussion page. An entry on Liam Adams is blank with a redirect to the discussion on Gerry’s entry. The only small reference to the subject remaining is a brief mention on the entry for Gerry Adams, Sr.

  • Pearse Doherty is also getting involved in the cover-up. He claims that even though Gerry and Liam were photographed canvassing together weeks if not months after the local selection convention Gerry was happy to canvass with a person he believed to be a rapist even though Gerry had already “set in place the process to have Liam Adams expelled from the party when he learned Liam Adams was planning to run for office, just as Mr. Adams said he had”.

    This doesnt make sense at all, they are even mixing themselves up on this one. Donegal Democrat link: http://url.ie/4gqn

  • Paul

    It seems that the cover up is in full swing.

    Dundalk natives refuteTD’s claims on profile of Liam Adams

    Published Date: 30 December 2009
    By Tamara O’Connell
    TWO men have refuted a statement made by Sinn Féin (SF) TD Arthur Morgan that suspected paedophile Liam Adams was not a high profile member of the party in Dundalk.

    Locals Fra Browne and Owenie Hanratty told The Dundalk Democrat that their recollection of Liam Adams’ involvement in SF Dundalk differed from Morgan’s.

    According to former SF election agent Fra Browne, Liam Adams was an active and well-known member of SF Dundalk in the 1990s.

    “Arthur Morgan has been quoted as saying Liam didn’t register on the richter scale. That’s not true. Liam was a contender for nomination as a candidate in the 1997 election,” said Mr Browne.

    “There were two contenders, Liam Adams and Owen Hanratty. However, a number of people in the party were concerned because Liam was from Belfast.

    “We wanted to put forward a local candidate. When Liam saw the anger that was there he withdrew his name. He was certainly an active Sinn Féin person in Dundalk.”

    The candidacy was secured by Owenie Hanratty who was later photographed on the campaign trail with Liam and Gerry Adams. Hanratty’s wife, Marie, and Mr Browne also posed for the picture in June 1997.

    No-one in the photograph, except for SF President Gerry Adams, knew that Liam Adams was a suspected paedophile, accused of sexually abusing his daughter, Aine Tyrell.

    “I don’t want to say too much. I’d rather not get into a bun fight with Arthur Morgan but my recollection of Liam Adams’ involvement in the party is different to his,” said Mr Hanratty.

    “No-one in Sinn Féin DundaIk had any idea about the accusations made against Liam Adams.”

    Liam Adams, who is wanted by the PSNI following claims that he sexually abused his daughter from the age of four, gave himself up to Gardai earlier this week.

    He walked into a Garda station in Sligo but could not be detained as they did not have the right warrant. He is said to have left his contact details at the station.ossib

  • Mr Crowley

    I wonder if it was the same helpful editor from within the Vatican who has sanitised Gerry’s Wiki in the past
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6949153.stm

  • Scaramoosh

    Perhaps it was the same persons who have edited the Real IRA entry for the past ten years; such that, some of its leading members do not warrant a mention, and such that the organisations more interesting historical happenings are airbrushed over………

  • disgusted poleglass housewife

    once it is seen that the good ship Adams is to badly damaged the loyal carpetbaggers i.e, Docherty, Mary lou,et al will leave their beloved leader all alone in the sea of shit he sails in

  • Mr Crowley

    #
    Perhaps it was the same persons who have edited the Real IRA entry for the past ten years; such that, some of its leading members do not warrant a mention, and such that the organisations more interesting historical happenings are airbrushed over………
    Posted by Scaramoosh on Dec 30, 2009 @ 03:52 PM

    Do you think the cokes, like Gerry, have helpful people in the Vatican editing their wiki or did you just feel an overwhelming need to dribble inanely?

  • Brian MacAodh

    Wiki usually lets things cool down before adding any detailed info on scandals/controversies

  • Mark McGregor

    Brian,

    That is not the reasoning behind the ‘editor’ objecting. His problem is it is not relevant to Gerry’s story – that seems like a bit of a stretch in logic but by god is he, and those supporting him, putting up a strong defence of the position.

  • Paul

    #

    That is not the reasoning behind the ‘editor’ objecting. His problem is it is not relevant to Gerry’s story – that seems like a bit of a stretch in logic but by god is he, and those supporting him, putting up a strong defence of the position.
    Posted by Mark McGregor on Dec 30, 2009 @ 04:47 PM

    Mark

    And what strong defence have these so called supporters of Gerry adams put up mark.Because I cant see any if they have its being blown out of the water with facts photos etc.And everybody knows it.Gerry adams and sinn fein are on the run Adams is finished

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi Mr. Crowley,
    very interesting link to the bbc story back in 2007 that reported about the vatican link.
    All the censorship around Adams…from his blog..the sinn fein web site…danny morrison’s site (won’t let people comment)…to me highlights panic….so I see sinn fein, gerry adams and danny morrison in panic mode.

  • tacapall

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    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi Mr. Crowley,
    very interesting link to the bbc story back in 2007 that reported about the vatican link.
    All the censorship around Adams…from his blog..the sinn fein web site…danny morrison’s site (won’t let people comment)…to me highlights panic….so I see sinn fein, gerry adams and danny morrison in panic mode.
    Posted by Kathy C on Dec 30, 2009 @ 04:58 PM

    British controlled Media

  • Mr Crowley

    British controlled Media
    Posted by tacapall on Dec 30, 2009 @ 05:02 PM

    Are you referring to the British funded Belfast media group and Gerry’s blog?

  • tacapall

    Are you referring to the British funded Belfast media group and Gerry’s blog?

    Just the one that lets you see and hear what they want you to see and hear. Sure ITV, supposedly independant, dosen’t even have the news on teletext any more, the foreign newspaper section of ceefax has also been removed, cost cutting perhaps – I dont think so, not that andytown news is any different but at least I live around that part of the country and I can see and hear for myself.

  • This doesn’t mean adams was involved, wikipedia always waits a while for things such as this.
    take for example the michael jackson page, the editors removed all mention of his death and refused to let anyone post it for a few days and anyway what ever goes on in wikipedia has no bearing on actual events, we all know what what happened and its not like wikipedia is the only source of information on his father’s abuse.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    Hi Arx1…the only source of information on his (gerry adams) father’s abuse…was gerry adams.

  • Brian MacAodh

    Slow day at work…I’m gonna go over and take alook at the debate on his wikipage.

  • Dixie Elliott

    “It can’t happen in minutes or days,” Sen. Doherty said. “Every member of the party has rights.” In the end, however, “the process was successful and (Liam Adams] was expelled,” Sen. Doherty said. He also said that Mr Adams’ had said that he was estranged from his brother, bar limited occasions, but had not said he had never met his brother over the past 15 years….

    A spokesperson for the party leader told The Irish Times earlier this week that the party president could not stop his brother from joining a canvass in which he participated….

    http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/donegalnews/Doherty-Adams-issue-personal-not.5946413.jp

    It can’t happen in minutes or days?…

    Aine told Gerry Adams in 1987 and Liam was still with PSF in 1997 and continued to work with children until at least 2005.

    the party president could not stop his brother from joining a canvass in which he participated…

    So he sat on a wall smiling at the cameras with him.

  • Brian MacAodh

    If he believed his brother was a child rapist he would have stopped him immediately. Or at least should have.

  • tacapall

    Dixie this is all very revealling and seismic, but it seems so unbelievable, a conspiracy in which many people would have had to be involved, Aine must have told other people or other people high up in the Republican Movement would have to have known. I dont think he enjoys that sort of loyalty.

  • Dixie Elliott

    I dont think he enjoys that sort of loyalty….

    Then why are so many of his followers making a mess of attempting to cover up the cover up tacapall?

    Oh and who in their right Sinn Fein member’s mind would walk up to Gerry and say, “Is your Liam a paedophile?”

  • tacapall

    That does not answer my questions Dixie, Im only a nobody but I know the crack. There are too many people there for the right reasons that would not stand back, knowing this but say nothing.

  • Dixie Elliott

    Certainly not the MLAs nor the MPs and certainly not the TDs and certainly not the councilors and most certainly not the government sponsored community workers…

    The rest have a very good living to make tacapall if you see what I mean?

  • disgusted poleglass housewife

    Dixie Elliott is right tacapallwhile there are a lot of dickheads and hangerons supporting Adams there are believe it or not intelligent people working to keep the man in place,and the reason is not loyality to Gerry per say but to the industry of jobs for the boys thatsurrond him, and I believe that is the main reason that he still holds the post of s/f president also his arrogance

  • tacapall

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    Certainly not the MLAs nor the MPs and certainly not the TDs and certainly not the councilors and most certainly not the government sponsored community workers…

    The rest have a very good living to make tacapall if you see what I mean?
    Posted by Dixie Elliott on Dec 30, 2009 @ 08:28 PM
    #

    Dixie Elliott is right tacapallwhile there are a lot of dickheads and hangerons supporting Adams there are believe it or not intelligent people working to keep the man in place,and the reason is not loyality to Gerry per say but to the industry of jobs for the boys thatsurrond him, and I believe that is the main reason that he still holds the post of s/f president also his arrogance
    Posted by disgusted poleglass housewife on Dec 30, 2009 @ 09:54 PM

    I know about the jobs, houses, bars, shops etc etc, thats why Im a nobody, but when you see who’s involved its not good practice to comment or allege treachery if you know what mean. But the cracks are appearing in the ice.

  • Dixie Elliott

    disgusted poleglass housewife…

    That is the very reason the party hasn’t fallen apart at the seams like an old overcoat….

    But who will replace them when the bogeymen/women in the DUP/TUV etc raise their heads come the next election? Certainly not the SDLP anyway, they couldn’t replace a light bulb.

  • Dixie Elliott

    but when you see who’s involved its not good practice to comment or allege treachery if you know what mean.

    tacapall thats why we need more people of courage like Gerard Hodgkins to stand up and say enough is enough.

    We have stayed silent too long and that is what they want.

  • disgusted poleglass housewife

    ach I know what you mean tacapall but sure did,nt P.O.Neill i.e Seanna Walsh tells us all the war is over and that the boys could all go home and did,nt the clergy oversee decomissionig and then did,nt Senna find himself a nice wee community number nodoubt a wee house in Dun na Gall amazing how many community jobs our local heros have found

  • tacapall

    Well thats open to debate Dixie like poleglass says very intelligent men and P O’Neill well he’s almost infallable.

  • disgusted poleglass housewife

    what I know of the local sinners and thatsheaps they would,nt know what a lightbulb was the republican movement has been totaly decimated from within by people like Donaldson, as they say the good guys lost the war

  • disgusted poleglass housewife

    apart from everything else that has been said the fact that Adams had secret talks with Hume and we know the outcome of that and now we hear that Hume wanted to bring back interment ,what does that say about Adams leadership

  • Dixie Elliott

    ….And the person who knew what direction Adams was taking the Movement, behind the backs of the IRA, Father Reid from Clonard Monastery which is where Liam Adams got a job as a community worker…

  • tacapall

    Everything ticks the right boxes but how did he\they get away with this for so long, there has to be some genuine people there who would have exposed this sooner – well I’d like to think so.

  • Fair Deal

    MM

    This is not unusual for a NI topic. There was an article in the News Letter about problems Unionist contributors have been facing on the site.
    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Unionists-39bullied39-in-online-history.5634224.jp

    A subtext of their work is essentially to sanitise the PIRA, SF and key figures within it while minimising the role of other republican groups. They flag the pages and seem to do little else but watch for changes then jump on them – their objections are often superfluous but they have a deep knowledge of the site rules, at least one SF member who has got into an admin position and generally out-persist those seeking to make changes. SF seem to have got their first inhabited the place and others simply aren’t as well organised or haven’t got themselves embedded.

    The reliance of lazy journalism upon it does mean it is probably worth the effort. On a smaller scale when someone tried to add Ruane’s Cyprus trip with her daughter as it was “not a controversy”.