UU nominations for S Belfast close without McGimpsey or Stoker…

The South Belfast News has an interview with Paula Bradshaw who confirms she’s putting her name forward for the South Belfast UUP candidature. Meanwhile Slugger understands Bob Stoker has made it clear to the same paper that he will not be standing under what would in effect be an election to take the Tory whip. And Michael McGimpsey has announced this evening that he won’t be standing. There is one other candidate to face off against Bradshaw in January… who will the face Tory candidate Peter McCann in front of the joint committee…

  • Paul

    Thanks for posting this mick interesting that paula bradshaw has put her name forward didnt she poll very badly in the council elections can anybody confirm or deny that.??

  • Garza

    Bradshaw vs McCann.

    I’m very happy with either candidates to represent SB.

    Would Bradshaw get village votes though? Or do they already belong to the DUP?

  • Paul

    I think they are probably both a reflection of the joint candidates project but in the end its up to the joint committe to rubber stamp who becomes the offical candidate .However with the UCUNF facing the DUP as well in south belfast the SDLP will win the seat pretty easily

  • Garza

    I dont know about that. I’ve got a feeling that alot of Alliance votes are going to bleed over to the U&C’s in the general election. But I don’t think the U&C can win the seat back without a bit of a swing from DUP to U&C in the village, unless of course the village is disillusioned with the DUP.
    Catholic voters cannot be relied to vote for the U&C in the short term, they are for the long term gain, we have to earn their trust, which is fair enough.
    I do think the DUP will lost votes here, but will it be enough??

  • Paul

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    I dont know about that. I’ve got a feeling that alot of Alliance votes are going to bleed over to the U&C’s in the general election. But I don’t think the U&C can win the seat back without a bit of a swing from DUP to U&C in the village, unless of course the village is disillusioned with the DUP.
    Catholic voters cannot be relied to vote for the U&C in the short term, they are for the long term gain, we have to earn their trust, which is fair enough.
    I do think the DUP will lost votes here, but will it be enough??
    Posted by Garza on Dec 23, 2009 @ 12:16 AM

    good post garza I just think its going to be an uphill struggle to retake the seat.i see your point of alliance voters voting in south belfast for UCUNF but no where near enough to topple the sDLP.I think the SDLP will win south belfast by three thousand votes

  • Drumlins Rock

    So who is the other name? although I’m from far outside the city for some reason its is getting tied in with F&ST; these days, glad to see fresh faces appear, by what I see Paula is a very capable candidate, not sure about council election Paul, but it dosnt really say much as all sorts of funny things play out with STV, running sweepers etc. or she could have just been dipping her toes to get a taste.
    Have no idea whats goning on in the Village but seems to me one of those areas you can put alot of effort jumping through hoops and getting very little in return.
    Here is a fun senario for you all, the UCU pick Peter McCann in SB, would the DUP back him if the UCU stood aside in F&ST;?

  • Paul

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    So who is the other name? although I’m from far outside the city for some reason its is getting tied in with F&ST; these days, glad to see fresh faces appear, by what I see Paula is a very capable candidate, not sure about council election Paul, but it dosnt really say much as all sorts of funny things play out with STV, running sweepers etc. or she could have just been dipping her toes to get a taste.
    Have no idea whats goning on in the Village but seems to me one of those areas you can put alot of effort jumping through hoops and getting very little in return.
    Here is a fun senario for you all, the UCU pick Peter McCann in SB, would the DUP back him if the UCU stood aside in F&ST;?
    Posted by Drumlins Rock on Dec 23, 2009 @ 12:48 AM

    I would hope the DUP would back peter McCann if there was a situation where UCUNF stood aside in FST.Sadly i dont think UCUNF are interested in doing that they UCUNF intend to stand in all 18 seats which means sadly for FST a a sinn fein MP who dosnt even take up her seat will be re elected the logic on UCUNF standing in all 18 seats which more or less ensure south belfast and FST will be won by nationalists and republicans how that advances the United kingdom is beyond me.The big story is going to be whos going to be the cndidate in north down.????

  • Danny O’Connor

    UCUNF trying to woo the Catholic vote,it won’t work.I predict big Al will retain S Belfast.No room for complacency though ,we will work harder to increase our support within the Catholic-Nationalist community and gain trust within the P U L community and show them that the best person for the job is the man who has represented them since 2005.

  • Stoker has made it clear … he will not be standing under what would in effect be an election to take the Tory whip.

    In other words, there’s nothing like a united UUP, and this is anything but a united UUP. Or something.

  • LottaNonsense

    This obsession everyone has with the Village & Sandy Row – These areas represent less than 3% of the electorate who actually vote in South Belfast.

  • Paul

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    UCUNF trying to woo the Catholic vote,it won’t work.I predict big Al will retain S Belfast.No room for complacency though ,we will work harder to increase our support within the Catholic-Nationalist community and gain trust within the P U L community and show them that the best person for the job is the man who has represented them since 2005.
    Posted by Danny O’Connor on Dec 23, 2009 @ 02:54 AM

    I am sad to say i agree with you danny the reason why is though its just too soon for UCUNF to be wooing the P Nationalist catholic electorate to think they will win south belfast.The real reason South belfast will be returning an SDLP MP next year is clear for everybody to see and that is UCUNFs flawed policy of in standing in all 18 seats spliting the Pro Union Vote in south belfast hence an SDLP MP will win the seat thats clear to everyone.

  • Drumlins Rock

    thanks lotta, was wondering why the focus was on these small areas, I guess sub-urban areas are much harder to read and its too easy for commentators to judge from a small area with a strong identity than try get an opinion of the leafy suburbs.

  • Paul

    I just found this in refence I think to a poster saying the UUP isnt united in south belfast well it isnt this letter below is both good and is the only common sense solution.its a letter from the south belfast uup assocition to leader reg empey

    TO: THE UUP PARTY LEADER – SIR REG EMPEY.

    CC.:

    29th September 2009

    DEAR SIR REG,

    Following a meeting of the South Belfast UUP Association to-night, I am writing to you, to inform you of the following statement which was unanimously passed by the meeting viz.:

    It is the unanimous view of this Association that it is essential that there should be one agreed Unionist candidate, agreed between the UUP-Conservatives and the DUP, to contest the South Belfast Parliamentary seat at the next UK Westminster general election.

    South Belfast was a safe Unionist seat until 2005, and it is patently obvious that if both a UCUNF candidate and a DUP candidate contest this seat, this will result in the present MP – the SDLP incumbent being re-elected.

    In this context, a motion was also unanimously passed that exploratory talks are undertaken immediately, and as a matter of urgency, with the DUP. This would be to ascertain the possibility of agreeing one Unionist candidate to contest the South Belfast seat, on behalf of all Unionists, who make up the majority of the electors in this constituency. Members at the meeting also stated that they could undertake talks with the DUP at a local South Belfast level, if this complemented and assisted the overall process, and objective, of agreeing one joint Unionist candidate.

    As also agreed unanimously at the meeting, I have been asked to convey the above views and position to you, in the strongest terms.

    On behalf of the Association, I look forward to receiving your reply as I have been asked to immediately convey any response back to our members.

    Yours Sincerely, and Kindest Regards,

  • Paul

    I would also add FST will be returning an Sinn fein MP.And the real reason behind that is also the fact UCUNF will be standing in all 18 seats splitting the pro united kingdon vote.I have being doing some research and the DUP according to there website have offered the UUP there choice of seat fST r south belfast in which to have the maximum chance of at least trying to returm a pro United kingdom candidate.It seems its being thrown back in the DUP faces.I cant for the life of me understand why.?The suggestion is that REG empey UUP leader is to be given a peerage and will be going to the house of lords.If thats true its disgracful

  • Malcolm Redfellow,

    Stoker has made it clear … he will not be standing under what would in effect be an election to take the Tory whip.

    From The Observer last Sunday
    http://tinyurl.com/yeqhdy2:

    I was not mindful to stand under a joint Conservative-Ulster Unionist ticket, but I will canvass for the party.”

    The omission of that last phrase in the original post here changes the complexion somewhat.

    Danny O’Connor

    No room for complacency though ,we will work harder to increase our support within the Catholic-Nationalist community and gain trust within the P U L community and show them that the best person for the job is the man who has represented them since 2005.

    Why the need to deal in the concept of wooing “separate” “communities” at all? “Big Al” is one of the few NI politicians who can move beyond that.

  • Paul

    I agree its not about wooing anyone its just a matter of being yourself no gimmicks and put your case to the voters.

  • Paul

    Its going to be really interesting just who the candidate for UCUNF will be in south belfast.I am impressed with Peter McCann I hope he gets the nomination.Good luck Peter

  • Garza

    “So who is the other name?”

    Michael Henderson apparently.

    ” have being doing some research and the DUP according to there website have offered the UUP there choice of seat”

    You actually believe that? Hasn’t Arlene Foster already been already chosen to run F&ST; and no DUP candidate for SB… him i wonder why. I doubt the DUP will stand down a senior DUP member if the UUP would have chosen F&ST;.

    “UCUNFs flawed policy of in standing in all 18 seats spliting the Pro Union Vote ”

    As a unionist I disagree. The U&C should stand in every seat, because that is what proper parties do. We have to get out of this unionist v nationalist mentality. The union is not going to collapse with SB and F&ST; being held by nationalists. I would far rather have McDonnell than Spratt to be honest. I have no time for the vision the DUP has for NI.

  • Drumlins Rock

    so guys if we play this senarion out, could you see the DUP fully supporting and encouraging their voters to back Peter McCann? I would predict if that was the case then an “Independant Unionist” would probably stand, and split the vote anyways.

  • Paul

    You actually believe that? Hasn’t Arlene Foster already been already chosen to run F&ST; and no DUP candidate for SB… him i wonder why. I doubt the DUP will stand down a senior DUP member if the UUP would have chosen F&ST;.

    “UCUNFs flawed policy of in standing in all 18 seats spliting the Pro Union Vote “

    As a unionist I disagree. The U&C should stand in every seat, because that is what proper parties do. We have to get out of this unionist v nationalist mentality. The union is not going to collapse with SB and F&ST; being held by nationalists. I would far rather have McDonnell than Spratt to be honest. I have no time for the vision the DUP has for NI.
    Posted by Garza on Dec 23, 2009 @ 12:35 PM

    You can look at this both ways.My understanding is the DUP having reasearched there press releases and website are offering one for one that seems fair enough to me.So you as a Unionist would rather an abstentionist Pro United Ireland Sinn fein irish Republican who wont either take up her seat or represent the vast majority of the voters of FST who take thousands of pounds in expenses and do nothing for it you would rather see that to seeing a Pro United kingdom candidate being elected in FST unbeleivable how can yu call yourself a unionist.?.How does that advance northern Irelands position in the UK your policy is both destructive and counter productive.

  • Paul

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    so guys if we play this senarion out, could you see the DUP fully supporting and encouraging their voters to back Peter McCann? I would predict if that was the case then an “Independant Unionist” would probably stand, and split the vote anyways.
    Posted by Drumlins Rock on Dec 23, 2009 @ 01:00 PM

    Well if an Indepedent candidate did stand in that case in my opinion.it is just plain one sectarian and just being bigotted and quite frankly shameful

  • So the actuality is entirely opposite from the story which Slugger went with a week or so ago!

  • Drumlins Rock

    yup Chekov, someone got their details a bit mixed up, and what hysteria it built up!

    With reference to the letter quoted above, was just looking up past election results, SB UUP Association has no room to be talking about vote splitting, in the last assembly election they split their own vote 3 ways, with only the hope of 2 seats and ended up with just the 1, essentially giving another seat to the SDLP, and they have the cheek to lecture Reg! Lets hope some “new blood” will plan things a bit better.

  • Paul

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    yup Chekov, someone got their details a bit mixed up, and what hysteria it built up!

    With reference to the letter quoted above, was just looking up past election results, SB UUP Association has no room to be talking about vote splitting, in the last assembly election they split their own vote 3 ways, with only the hope of 2 seats and ended up with just the 1, essentially giving another seat to the SDLP, and they have the cheek to lecture Reg! Lets hope some “new blood” will plan things a bit better.
    Posted by Drumlins Rock on Dec 23, 2009 @ 07:59 PM

    good post

    You are spot on I hope its peter McCann who gets the nomination. I think peter is the best candidate.I hope a way can be found for the DUP to stand down from south belfast to hopefully if peter is CU Candidate he can have maximum chance of winning the seat.However I am not hopeful of that because UCUNF have pledged to stand come what may in all 18 seats.

  • Frustrated Democrat

    Can anyone see the Conservatives standing down in a Westminster seat in GB to allow the LD’s to win a seat even if it would suit them to see Labour losing the seat?

    The object of the project is to allow ALL people from ALL backgrounds who support the Conservatives and Unionists to support a party and candidates that are pro union and who could help form UK Government.

    Everyone in NI will have a choice to vote for a pro UK party that is not based on the sectarian headcount that it has been for many decades. Regardless of the outcome of the election they will have had an opportunity to vote for a pro union party with candidates that they can relate to.

    The UUP have taken a gigantic leap of faith that NI is changing and really wants to move away from the sectarian carve up of the DUP and SF towards a new politics that is not based on zero sum, border policies but on the economy, education and health. Not all of their members may agree but it is the biggest change in NI politics in the last 30 years and deserves to succeed.

  • Drumlins Rock

    It is a big move FD, and it is amazing it has got this far without major splits, even Sylvia hasn’t jumped, yet, there will be hiccups yet but a strong candidates list will make or break the deal, lets hope the balance is right.
    The idea of deals has in reality always been a non-starter and I know the talk at times has really fustrated the “conservative wing” but on the ground the senarios have to be played out for many of the traditional voters and members, and I believe these things have been discussed by many on the ground, the reality that “deals” are not necessarily essential, or even likely to deliver both seats is dawning on many, and if played right both seats can be won by the UCU.

  • Paul

    I accept that it dosnt mean that just becuse theres two pro uk candidates in FST and South belfast means that a Pro UK candidate cant win either seat of course its possible but high un likely.

  • Paul

    I would also agree with drumlins rock if played right both seats FST and south belfast can be won by UCU

  • Drumlins Rock

    Paul, would you also accept it is strongly possible that a “united” unionist candidate could also win neither, so the deal would be for nothing, or win one of the two leaving one party feeling jilted, when you start working out the benefits versus the costs, on both sides, then its not so obivious a soloution, and thats before you even consider Camerons every seat pledge.

  • Paul

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    Paul, would you also accept it is strongly possible that a “united” unionist candidate could also win neither, so the deal would be for nothing, or win one of the two leaving one party feeling jilted, when you start working out the benefits versus the costs, on both sides, then its not so obivious a soloution, and thats before you even consider Camerons every seat pledge.
    Posted by Drumlins Rock on Dec 24, 2009 @ 03:18 AM

    Yes I Accept that its possible that a single unionist candidate might not win either FST or south belfast.However its maximises the chances if only one agreed candidate contested either seat they would have a 70 per cent chance of winning the seats in my opinion.

  • Drumlins Rock

    lets give double candidates a 40% chance in SB and 30% in F&ST; each, i guess that doubles the chance but leaves it far from certain.

  • Frustrated Democrat

    The concept that the CU’s would ‘force’ their supporters to vote for a DUP candidate on the basis that they are quasi unionists is not what politics is about. I have not and would never vote for a DUP candidate and I am sure there are many like me in FST and SB.

  • Drumlins Rock

    So take a step back FD and what percentage of UCU and DUP voters do you think would not back the others candidate? In particular, and this is where I started, playing the “if” game and the senario of Peter McCann being the only unionist candidate in SB would the vast majority of DUP voters back him? I think carrying all the UUP voters will even be a tought fight, and with those like yourself not coming on board would you say 70% is too high an estimate?
    F&ST; is a bit different with their being a strong tradition or votes transfering between the two parties, the problem there is there is also a strong tradition of them transfering between the SDLP & SF too when their backs are up so to speak. A good 80% or more of votes would transfer from UUP to DUP or vice versa, but I could hazard a guess 40% of SDLP votes could go to SF even with 2 nationalist candidates, this together with the nat apathy being woke up and less chance of a dissident standing make it far from a dead cert.

  • Paul

    UCUNF are not interested they will stand in all 18 seats.FST will return a sinn fein MP and south belfast will return a SDLP MP because of two Pro Union Candidates standing.FACT the media and almost everybody agrees with that and I agree to

  • Paul

    this was posted below by Danny kenndey on the UUP website last week.I do wish the UUP would not send out conflicting signals of there intend.One minute they are standing in all 18 seats then the next danny kennedy uup deputy leader says in this article at the very bottom they the UUP are ready to talk to other Pro Union parties about maximising the Pro Union vote at next years gen election.Its time the UUP came clean are they going to stand in all 18 seats like the tories have announced or are they going to sit down with other pro union parties to discuss maxmising the pro union vote.Which is it.??????????

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    Response to comments made by Jim Allister
    17/12/2009

    Danny KennedyJim Allister’s call for pro-Union parties to seriously reflect on how the pro-Union vote can be maximised is to be welcomed. With three parties now representing pro-Union voters – and with their support being roughly equal in a number of constituencies – there clearly is merit in considering how best to ensure that pro-Union voters (including the very significant number who have opted out of voting in recent years) turn out on polling day and vote in a manner most likely to strengthen the Union.

    The Ulster Unionist Party has always been in favour of both attracting and maximising the total pro-Union tally of votes and seats. But the UUP, along with our Conservative colleagues, remains committed to offering the electorate a new vision and version of politics here. We believe in a pan-UK unionism which aims to place Northern Ireland at the very heart of British politics

    I do have serious reservations about Jim’s proposal for ‘non-party’ candidates to contest certain seats. This could result in free-floating ‘independent’ MPs, isolated in the House of Commons and isolated from the mainstream of UK politics. I do not see how such an outcome would strengthen the Union. And what guarantees are there that an ‘independent’, if elected, won’t take a party whip at a later point?

    It is important to bear in mind that the Union is not about 2 seats or even 18 – it is about 646 seats across the entire United Kingdom. If we are to see Northern Ireland at the heart of the Union, our MPs must be at the heart of parliamentary politics – not sitting on the sidelines.

    That said, Jim Allister has constructively raised an important issue and my Party is ready and willing to meet with other pro-Union parties to discuss how we maximise the pro-Union vote.