The Adams family abuse timeline…

The BBC have put together a useful timeline of the ‘story’… it marks the period of the alleged abuse (1978 – 1983) and the age of his niece as just 14 when both the police and Gerry Adams are first informed of the allegations (1987)… And the period in which Liam Adams worked in Clonard Youth Centre… (1998-2003)

  • Only Asking

    He didn’t answer the time line adequately. The fact that he’d been closely associated with Fr Alec Reid, and was in and around the monastery at that time, and didn’t know Liam was in the hall in the monastery grounds….

    He did answer the Louth candidature adequately though, is this allegation of a canditure for Liam “tabloid journalism” with people who have an axe to grind politically as Adams claims or was there ever a candidacy?

    If it is lies then those who told the lies without checking their facts are as bad for muddying this thing over child abuse as Adams is for handling things this badly.

  • I agree with Only Asking that Adams seems to have answered the candidacy question correctly.

    There are still problems with Adams’ account of events between 1997 and 2004. Adams has a credibility problem at two points.

    Firstly, he says that he told the Clonard authorities. The difficulty here is that if that did happen, it is hard to imagine that such information would be lost, given the prominence of this family.

    Secondly, his brother have been allowed to continue for 5 years as a youth worker in his back yard. It begs the question as to why Adams not think to go back to the authorities after he was supposed to have told them about the abuse and make sure that his complaint was properly recorded?

  • Mick Fealty

    OA,

    I think you will find there are significant problems with the Louth answer too. That ‘fight back’ line is an answer to a question that was not raised by McIntyre or the Tribune article.

    There are enough former activists around to make that an awkward little piece of undone business. Pete’s got a post coming that may throw some interesting lights on inconsistencies between Adams and the party spokesman in this morning’s Irish News…

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    I have a huge question. The RUC recruited informers who had money problems…personal family problems and secrets they didn’t want people to know.

    We do know that Gerry Adams was aware of his brother sexually abusing his daughter back when the child was 14 years old. We also know that the RUC knew that Gerry’s brother was abusing the child.
    Now…it is logical to ask…was Gerry Adams recruited by the RUC to be an informer? The profile is there as the time line shows. Everything the man has done is up for debate on this issue.

  • picador

    No Kathy, you are getting carried away. Stick to facts that can be established.

  • Mick Fealty

    I really think the political question should be parked until we have a clearer picture of what has happened and when.

  • Alan

    One area that seems to have been overlooked is the impact of not informing the “authorities” about the abuse.

    Had Adams reported the abuse then there would have been an investigation and a record of that investigation that would likely have prevented Liam from working with young people, and would have been raised should he ever have got into a relationship that may have included dependent children.

    Failing to report to the appropriate authorities ( poice or social services) effectively placed other children in danger. That failure was compounded by the fact that Liam did work with young people up to 2003. It really does not matter when Adams knew about the jobs in Clonard and Dundalk. Deliberately witholding evidence of abuse surely comes awfully close to collusion, as it substantially reduces the protection available to children and young people.

  • Only Asking

    I think you will find there are significant problems with the Louth answer too. That ‘fight back’ line is an answer to a question that was not raised by McIntyre or the Tribune article.

    Mick this is what it states…
    Moreover, that he should promote a man who he firmly believed to be a child rapist as a possible contender for a Dail seat in 1997 is nothing short of scandalous.

    Now I’ve read petes post and I don’t see a problem. Either Adams promoted the brother or he did not. Whether Adams says he ‘dumped’ him, or ‘moved to have it stopped’ or what ever terms he used, is there any evidence that Liam Adams was a proposed candiditate in Louth? If not…either they both relied on the same source and it looks to be wrong.

  • Only Asking

    Or any evidence that Gerry promoted him in any way?

  • Mick Fealty

    Okay, here’s Adams:

    “…as soon as he heard of the possibility his brother might be nominated, he moved to ensure that such a thing could not happen. “I moved immediately both to stop that and to get him dumped out of Sinn Féin without telling people why.

    And here’s the presser:

    “When Gerry found out he had become a member, he expelled him and that was around 1999.”

    Now, Gerry says it was before the 97 election, the party says 99. Which is it? Or did it take him 2 years to get him dumped?

    There are holes appearing all over this story… Big ones…

  • padraig

    As one Rabbi said of the Shoah, ‘Some people who went to the ovens sining psalms, praising G-d, some went to the ovens, shaking their fists, cursing Him[ but as we have never stood were they are let us not presume to judge those who praise nor those who cursed nor those who judged.

    It seems to me that unless we have gone through the enormous trauma of discovering the incredible fact that abuse has gone on in our own family we cannot really properly judge the actions of anyone who has…..and may I say that many, many, many people reading this will have gone through or be going through this trauma. It is a dark tunnel I suspect that no one touched by ever really emerges from.

    A trauma which many , many of those reading this will have entered, for this is a very .very,very common but deeply hidden problem.

    As I say be slow to judge.

  • padraig

    [b]’Is over 20 years slow enough? ‘[/b]

    Wow, DC you knew about this twenty years ago and have never let on? I am impressed!!

    ..and here was I thinking this had only just come into the public domain. Twenty years of study and thought. A sage, a veritable sage.

  • Paul

    I agree with you Mick there are holes appearing all over the place in this story/scandal

  • Only Asking

    Mick

    “Liam Adams was a member of SF for a short time during the 1990’s”, he said. “Liam Adams did not put his name forward for selection in 1997. SF are saying that this story is completely inacurate.

    OK so where is the hole?

  • With all the focus on Gerry Adams, I would like to hear more of Aine Tyrell’s perspective (although it is understandable if she would like to avoid a media circus). I have more on this on this blogpost: http://www.gladysganiel.com/victims/acknowledgement-for-victims/

  • padraig

    [b]And you ask to hold back[/b]

    Oh, did I?

    I thought I suggested that family abuse is difficult for someone who has not had any personal experience of to enter into judgement in.

    But with your own 20 years behind you, clearly these does not apply to good self.

    So carry on.

  • Mick Fealty

    Very good to meet you at last last night. Okay, here’s Adams:

    “…as soon as he heard of the possibility his brother might be nominated, he moved to ensure that such a thing could not happen. “I moved immediately both to stop that and to get him dumped out of Sinn Féin without telling people why.

    And here’s the presser:

    “When Gerry found out he had become a member, he expelled him and that was around 1999.”

    Now, Gerry says it was before the 97 election, the party says 99. Which is it? Or did it take him 2 years to get him dumped?

    There are holes appearing all over this story… Big ones…