The boy that cries wolf

When SF want to up-the-ante on areas like the devolution of policing and justice it seems they increasingly fall back on their unelected Chairperson, Declan Kearney, to issue some hard-ball threats. Yet again he throws down the gauntlet to the DUP:

“It is a train-wreck political strategy and political consequences will be inevitable.”

And yet again they fail to rise to his bait:

“As unionists we don’t respond to threats….”

  • exile

    Does anyone know of any bookies, whether online or otherwise, taking bets on Stormont’s future?

  • 6countyprod

    Yea, right, SF/IRA know all about train wrecks!

  • exile

    P.S. The people have had enough: put up or f*cking shut up.

  • andrew white

    #

    P.S. The people have had enough: put up or f*cking shut up.
    Posted by exile on Nov 29, 2009 @ 09:46 PM

    thats ok until we`re under Jim ALlisters london/dublin rule with water charges, an irish language act, scrapping of grammar schools, enhanced role for the Irish republic, increasing rates to English levels…then wee stormont will be the good old days

  • Dave

    Andrew, joint-responsibility for government requires joint-responsibility for the cost of government. If you folks can cut your subvention requirements to circa 50 million from 10 billion a year, then Irish taxpayers would be happy enough to fund the bog-savages up north if it stops them from killing each other and damaging the economy down here again. Other than that, joint authority isn’t an option.

  • michael

    Just making those figures up off the top or your head there Dave?

  • heck

    A question for you experts on the ground.

    would it be possible for SF to take the P&J issue to the voters by leaving the executive and forcing an election?

    If so is it possible that they could become the largest party (with the TUV and unionists pulling votes from both ends of the DUP)?

    I know it would be a gamble but in such a situation they would hold the first minister slot and could go to the British government and argue that Nor Iron voters had spoken and P&J responsibility should be tranfered to stormont

    In most democracies an impass like this brings down the government and the public decides the issue in an election.

  • Pete Baker

    heck

    “I know it would be a gamble but in such a situation they would hold the first minister slot and could go to the British government and argue that Nor Iron voters had spoken and P&J responsibility should be tranfered to stormont”

    No. That would require the First and deputy First Ministers’ posts to be unequal in democratic standing.

    Which is precisely what SF are currently arguing is the DUP’s position.

    Even though the DUP are holding to the equal veto that the St Andrews Agreement enforces.

    If, however, SF want to change that…

    They’d have to be prepared to be voted out of office.

    Which, apparently, they are not.

  • heck

    Thanks Pete for your answer. You seem to be one of slugger’s experts on the minutia of Nor Iron legislation. I am not suggesting a change in the relationship between the first and deputy first minister. Your comment “That would require the First and deputy First Ministers’ posts to be unequal in democratic standing” is not what I am suggesting. To use an American analogy, the congress and the executive are constitutionally equal, but the presidency has what Americans call “the bully pulpit”. (not an exact analogy I know.) The same, it seems to me, applies to first and deputy first ministers.

    As to “They’d have to be prepared to be voted out of office”. Well yes, but for that they would have to be overtaken by the SDLP. (per my understanding of the agreement) I think that is unlikely in such a situation. What would the SDLP do-campaign against the transfer of P&J?

    If SF came out on top then they would argue that the voters had spoken. If not they would be in the same position that they are in now. As for unionists they would have two options –except M McG or GA as first minister or bring down the agreement. Either way SF would win. If unionists accepted the result P&J would be transferred and if they did not SF would ask for “Plan B” to be back on the table.

    A gamble I know.

    What I want to know –and you are the guy to ask- is, would and election be called if SF walked out of the government and demanded one? Or would the secretary of state cobble together some alternative to keep the executive running without SF. I don’t know the agreement well enough to answer for my self. In most coalition governments if there is an impasse the government falls and the issue goes to the voters!

  • Dixie Elliott

    Could this ‘train-wreck’ Kearney is talking about be the Gravy Train Peace Processing Sinn Fein have been getting a free ride on?

    Every shepherd has a good sheep dog to round up the flock and pen it in.

  • DC

    Never cry…wolf:

  • Framer

    So who is Declan Kearney?

  • J Kelly

    Dixie I remember on a previous thread you procalimed that you had no political axe to grind but it seems that the mask is starting to slip. Your only contributions in recent times has been to have cheap shots at Sinn Fein. What is your gripe anyway.

  • bigchiefally

    Do “people on the street” honestly give a damn about the policing and justice powers being moved here?

    I doubt many are that bothered about it either way.

    I know I am much more concerned that the folks in Stormont sort out the transfer system in education, create efficiencies in our public sector so the inevitable cuts that are coming arent that brutal to the end users and other numerous issues.

    People on this website are surely more political but are they even that bothered or concerned about these powers being transfered?

  • bootman

    “Do “people on the street” honestly give a damn about the policing and justice powers being moved here?”-bigchiefally

    Yep, they do, you know