“If you hold a gun to my head I’d confess to anything you want”

The BBC reports police comments in response to an apparent flexing of vigilante muscle in Londonderry. The group involved, Republican Action Against Drugs (RAAD) who have been linked by the IMC to an increase in paramilitary-style attacks in the city, paraded, for the benefit of the Derry Journal, two blindfolded men they said had confessed to being drug couriers and issued death threats against two others. From the BBC report

[Inspector Jon Burrows] said it was a publicity stunt, and the police were the only people who could deal with crime. “If you hold a gun to my head I’d confess to anything you want,” he said. “We have people blindfolded and held at gunpoint and we’re told they’ve confessed to drug dealing? “The difference between how this organisation operates and how the PSNI operates is in such a clear contrast,” he said.

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  • Rory Carr

    I wonder who was holding a gun to Mr Burrows head when he confessed to being a member of the PSNI.

  • Padraig

    The PSNI are a group pf middle class job worths. They are useless.

  • NCM

    Not a very healthy “justice” system…

  • The Raven

    Padraig, I have infinitely more trust – perhaps misplaced trust – in them, than I do in the self appointed Nazis that seem to be running the streets of Derry and other places at the moment.

  • Rory Carr

    If these thugs wish to continue pointing guns at the heads of blindfolded prisoners and insisting that they confess to whatever why don’t they just clear off and join the British Army where, not only can they do it with impunity, they can get paid for it as well.

  • Padraig

    I notice drugs dealer selling drugs quite openly round here. I have always wondered if this is because Governments and police permit it in order to keep people under control.

    I don’t think we have to choose between vigilantees and the PSNI, if it were possible to harness the ordinary people in unpaid volunteer forces harnessed with the PSNI , ordinary people who know their areas, it might work. The present system is certainly not working, people do not have confidence in them as they know they are all job worths.

    I suppose it could be something like the old ‘B’ Specials but without the political baggage.

    Just a thought.

  • OC

    Local Security Force “B” Group – everybody does it!

  • Panic, These Ones Likes It Up Em.

    Maybe the little statelet is just not viable

  • just a thought

    Padraig,

    In light of the fact that the the PSNI have re-deployed Mystic Meg from her office role and she is now back on the front line and that they are now awaiting the issue of their new shiny crystal ball perhaps you could help them by giving them a ring.

    I know if I had drug dealers plying their trade where I live, I know I would.

  • Padraig

    Correct.

    Not only are they useless.

    They are very highly paid for being useless.

    From time to time they issue weird, high flown statements about what a good job they are doing.

    They have wonderful brightly painted cars with blue lights.

    Round the corner from me are a den of drug dealers who openly pedal drugs. It is like the local Tesco’s. I have rung them up so many times.

    I am dubious about the morality of shooting tham ourselves.

    But…

    well I shed no tears…

    no tears at all.

    If some one who does not earn 500£ a week and risks imprisonment in order to deal with this scum…and they are scum..

    well fair play to them.

    May God Bless and protect them.

    As far as the PSNI go ..forget it.

  • Padraig

    Middle class , very well paid, politically correct dabbllers ..totally useless..

    shoot them , all hoods, preferably dead

  • ciaran

    Comments above make me glad that at least we don’t have the death penalty. Lets hope raad have more sense than heed the posters above.

  • Padraig

    bollax

  • Padraig

    Who, in working class Catholic areas really cares about hoods getting worked over?

    Nada. No one

    Who, in working class Prod areas really cares about hoods getting worked over?

    Middle class dicks may care. For the hoods live in Sandy Row or Ardoyne and so adopt holier than thou attitudes about hoods getting their heads banged.

    Talking head middle class crap

    They can never shoot enough of them.

    May God bless and strenghthen their good arms. and trigger fingers

  • The Raven

    Padraig, you bring a whole new level of debate to this site.

  • NCM

    Padraig, what happens when the wrong guys are accused and shot as drug dealers… and they weren’t criminals at all?

    There had better be a very, very high level of accuracy in separating the guilty from the innocent when playing judge, jury, and executioner… and how the heck does anyone know if the vigilantes got it right or wrong in a particular case?

    Yes, I suppose some cases are altogether obvious such that it doesn’t take Dick Tracy to figure out that a particular person in the neighborhood is a menace and gangster but beyond these limited examples, vigilante policing’s lack of due process just about guarantees some very unfortunate errors, right?

  • concerned

    I have obviously missed something in this debate, I have been under the impression for years that loyalists and republicans have allowed drugdealers to trade their goods without impunity as long as they got their cut. I WONDER DO THE PARAMILITARIES NO LONGER HAVE CONTROL NOW OF THEIR OWN AREAS !! As for shooting people , two words grow up!!! bye the way nobody forces any individuals to take drugs ,they arent force fed you know. Blame the parents THATS WHAT I SAY

  • latcheeco

    Clear difference absolutely.
    After the fiasco of the raid that closed Stormont, the exruc/psni are right to rail against politically inspired publicity stunts.
    And as for forced confessions, Shelley put it best:
    “I met murder on the way,
    He had a mask like Castlreagh”

  • Padraig

    The people who encouraged and set up most of the major drug dealers were the old RUC, especially the Special Branch. It was their pay off for stiffing Taigues.

  • Clanky

    “We have people blindfolded and held at gunpoint”, well for God’s sake jon, let them go.

    I was going to comment on the fact that the PSNI have not always been taken such a tough stance on torture, but then I realised that the article refers to the PSNI who are nottheRUC TM

  • Clanky

    oops, ballsed up hyperlink, was supposed to reference this:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/justify/3.html

  • joeCanuck

    Padraig,
    I’m curious. Do the drug dealers round the corner from you really deliver the drugs by bicycle?

    den of drug dealers who openly pedal drugs

  • Everybody will confess if their life is in the dangerous situation.

  • Brian MacAodh

    Well, not everyone. 95% plus though