Is naming and shaming the best way to deal with teeny rioters?

We just caught the tail end of the ‘teeny riots’ in Royal Avenue last night as we came out of the Awards in the Black Box. And now I’ve just finished listening to the Stephen Nolan Show, which was lan go bheal with pet political educational and behavioural theories about what might have caused it all. Two things. This is not the first time a feral group of youths have chased others from the centre of two. One 16 year old Protestant girl recounted being chased by youths with baseball bats last year. The only concrete policy response in the whole programme was offered by DUP councillor Ian Crozier who suggested making all the CCTV footage of last nights events available (tellingly perhaps) not to the police, but the general public; with the possibility that the public could then crowd source on exactly who was doing what.

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  • Moochin Photoman

    I think i was just ahead of you and as soon as the lights were on there was a movement of kids/youths down Royal Ave. Castle St was blocked by a PSNI landrover meaning that anyone who wanted to head west weren’t able to (not in any significant numbers anyway). I wonder what the thinking was to block off Castle Street?

    Whilst i was standing there you could feel the tension and indeed i saw a few ‘missiles'(drinks cups from the fast food) being thrown at the PSNI.

    submit word planning !

  • Big Bopper

    bloody Queen’s students!

  • iluvni

    I heard the mother of a 12 year old on complaining about the terror her daughter faced…yet the girl was in the city on a cold Tuesday night without her mother.
    Thats the disgrace.

  • Neil

    First up this is far from exclusive to Belfast. Either last year or the year before the same thing happened in Ballymena at one of the shopping centres xmas lights switch on. I also think that a twelve year old should be able to make his or her way into, out of and through town without having anything like this happen. It may not be the case, but at what point should a child be safe to go to the xmas tree switch on? If not 12 maybe 13 or 14?

    The way things are going however you are correct. By the time my two are 12 (about 9 years time) society will have gone the full way down the shit pipe, and the scumbags will deliberately target the elderly, disabled and young as they make easier targets, and my own kids won’t be able to go into the town without a bullet proof vest and a gun; and not until they hit 18 years of age.

    I’m no bible thumper, quite the opposite, but I think the fact that xmas is supposed to be a religious festival (a shared one at that), and everything that xmas stands for and should stand for, it’s pretty fuckin grim that they’ve hijacked this particular celebration.

  • Pete

    There’s no cause behind it. It’s just an opportunity for some recreational rioting with the police, and Castle Street just happens to be a building site at the moment with lots of stuff to set fire to!

    The police should release the footage and we’ll see if we recognise any Slugger contributors rioting.

  • michael

    They hijacked a religious festival in the middle of a commercial centre even though Bob the Builder was present?
    Hellbound for sure.

  • Richard Aardvark

    Can’t we just shoot the b*stards?

  • Big Bopper

    Any notorious middle class race hate criminals involved?
    Cautions all round!

  • Dave

    “The only concrete policy response in the whole programme was offered by DUP councillor Ian Crozier who suggested making all the CCTV footage of last nights events available (tellingly perhaps) not to the police, but the general public; with the possibility that the public could then crowd source on exactly who was doing what.”

    A lot of CCTV footage could be placed on a special police website for the purpose of soliciting information from the public about the identity of those filmed, so long, of course, as there is no presumption of guilt or suggestion of a support for vigilantism or public ‘shaming’ of citizens who have not been convicted by the courts of any offence. I’m thinking more of CCTV from shoplifting, raids, whatever, where the poice could use a curious public rather than simply rely on a spot of Crimewatch or a newspaper, etc, to publicise such appeals.

  • salem

    It was me – I was so outraged at some of the winners at last night Sluggers that I went out to take part in some recreational rioting !

    Only in this city would we have running street fights when Bob the builder was switching on the lights !

  • michael

    “Only in this city would we have running street fights when Bob the builder was switching on the lights ! ”

    Never seen Mickey Mouse throw a petrol bomb at the brits?
    Ahhh the joys of Halloween in Derry in the early nineties.

  • salem

    “Mickey Mouse is, to me, a symbol of independence.” – Walt Disney

    LOL

  • Panic, These Ones Likes It Up Em.

    Big Bopper said

    “8.Any notorious middle class race hate criminals involved?
    Cautions all round!”

    Hee hee he. Funny and absurdly accurate. O what a wonderful world (for some) we live in.

    Wouldn’t you think that the “notorious middle class race hate criminals” would riot against their own unfairly lenient pretty much getting away with it treatment.

    Is this what youthful middle class angst has come to.

  • michael

    “Mickey Mouse is, to me, a symbol of independence.”

    haha

  • Sam O’Wry in Belfast and Dublin.

  • skullion

    Word has it that whilst Bob was turning on the lights a disgruntled Wendy got rat arsed in the Crown and with assistance from the equally inebriated Lofty and Roly started the whole mess.Apparently Bob hasn’t paid the gang for a week or two due to the downturn in construction but took on the Belfast gig cash in hand.The rest of the crew weren’t too happy and what with the drink and all went on a bender down castle street with the depressingly predictable reults.

  • Bob

    Skullion = legend

  • DirtyTreeandaturd

    Chavs at work

  • Danny Boy

    Interesting idea Dave, and if it could be done without any ‘presumption of guilt or suggestion of a support for vigilantism or public ‘shaming’ of citizens who have not been convicted by the courts of any offence’ that would be great, but how the hell could we do that? Presumption of guilt, public shaming and vigilantism are what we do best! Imagine what would actually happen if CCTV footage of alleged crimes was put on the web – every unfortunate identikit youth wearing the same hoody would be singled out by their friendly neighbourhood justice squad, while actual joyriders and recreational rioters would just get a wider audience for the performances they’re already sticking on Youtube themselves.

  • Frank

    Not a bit of wonder this Bob fella attracts trouble makers!

    http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/544336/691533.jpg

  • Dave

    Fair point, Danny. I was thinking more of citizens emailing names to the police, with the police not investigating until 6 or so people named the same person. But, folks could maliciously name the same person a number of times under different IP addresses, causng the police to investigate someone with no connection, etc – and, as you say, it would just be open to abuse. Not such a good idea in practice after all.

  • paddy

    i seen these scroats drinking earlier on in the day in their getto l/falls n shankill.95 per cent of their parents usualy single parent neither work or worry what these feral scroats are at.the parents of these scum should have their benefits stopped to pay towards the damage.if that dosent work jail em

  • cut_the_bull

    And Jim Rodgers watched it all from outside a social club in Royal Avenue. His evidence could be vital, if he’s a tea total individual.
    Though how much he actually seen may be open to question.

  • aquifer

    Lets privatise street cleaning. Bring on the bounty hunters, catch 4 rioters get paid for 6.