“the parties understand this is a step they must take together”

I see from the BBC report that the US State Department embedded a NI blogger to accompany US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on her whistle-stop visit to Northern Ireland – at the fag-end of a European tour which itself comes at the fag-end of a world tour.. Congratulations, Terry. [Was it something we said? – Ed] Our own intermittent live coverage is here. And, whatever backroom discussions have been taking place, the US Government representative is publicly acknowledging reality on devolving policing and justice powers. From the RTE report

“Clearly there are questions and some apprehensions but I believe that due to the concerted effort of the British government, Irish government and support of friends like us in the US, that the parties understand this is a step they must take together. It will take the leaders of both communities working together to continue not only the devolution but then to make day-to-day governing a reality, and I’m confident that that is within reach.” [added emphasis]

That was the “indigenous” deal, after all – “let no-one interfere with that”. As, I’m sure, Gerry was reminding his party’s Ard Comhairle at the weekend..But with the danger of revisionism accompanying the visit, and Secretary of State Clinton’s declaration that the US ‘won’t meddle’, it’s worth remembering that previous Presidental envoys have had an active role.

*Cuckoo, cuckoo*

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  • joe

    I am the egg man, we are egg men

  • jim

    cuckoo cu cu

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Pete,

    would it fair to summarise your reading of events that this visit puts the DUP under abolutely no additional pressure? lol

  • Pete Baker

    And you’d be wrong, Sammy Mac.

    Again.

  • jim

    seriously though, this is a disgraceful piece of crap excuse for a decent report on events, how he gets away with his agenda leading posts is laughable, it hurts my head

  • “The fag-end of a world tour”?

    Someone’s trying too hard.

    I think Mrs Clinton’s next stop (after Ireland) is Moscow.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Just in case people are confused, when dear ould Slabbery offers up some ‘lol’, it’s not, of course, ‘lots of laughs’ – well, it is, albeit not intentionally meant as such – but, in fact, it means in this instance, ‘Legendary Oirish* Loon’. It’s serve more the purpose of a Ham radio handle, than a descriptice clause.

    *Or still more precisely, Plastic. But plainly LPL doesn’t scan as well.

  • OC

    Who the eff is “Terry”?

  • Dec

    Someone’s trying too hard.

    Go easy on Pete. Remember how many threads he wrote saying this visit would never happen?

  • Pigeon Toes

    Who the eff is “Terry”?
    “Terry is the Account Director at Chambré Public Affairs in Belfast. He has been in the Public Affairs Industry for over 10 years across the island of Ireland and further afield”

    http://www.eyespyni.blogspot.com/

    “Our business is geared towards developing and helping implement pressure-based campaigns that are designed to influence the decision making process in government.
    The Chambré Public Affairs team has significant experience of planning and delivering campaigns to influence public policy or simply to move an issue up the political agenda.”

    http://www.chambrepa.com/lobbying_and_campaigning.shtml

  • joeCanuck

    Isn’t it time for some moderator to stop the shameless continuing man playing and name calling by LTU.
    Enough is enough.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Doubtless: it’s also long past time for Samso to stop telling lies. Or at least, when he’s caught, and it’s detailed for him, he should at least have the wit to blush. As opposed to, oh, repeating said fibs, spacerisms and what have you. That’s the thing with the likes of me ould mucker: he ruins it for everyone else sadly. If you want to debate Joe, make your case, marshal your arguments, arrange your facts. But if you just make stuff up, you’re going to get called on that until you stop – that’s the glory of the internet. Or perhaps the bould wan wants to come along and explain some of his, uh, wilder claims? He’s not known for responding to queries, but then again, given the stuff he has shamelessly spouted over the years, I can quite see why he would want to avoid debate. And facts, *especially* them.

  • Daniel

    Did thee see the 2 apostles walk out in a huff? The poor wains!

  • exile

    Toryboy is anally retentive. End of.

    Baker: dry your eyes, mate. Hillary came, she saw, and she may have conquered: time will tell. You are post-desperate. Fag end indeed.

  • joeCanuck

    He’s not known for responding to queries,

    I don’t think I would respond to someone who keeps calling names.
    Good manners are free.

  • Thereyouarenow

    Daniel said

    13.”Did thee see the 2 apostles walk out in a huff? The poor wains!”

    The two glorified county councillors had to lobby on behalf of some Unionist sheep(it would have to be just one section of sheep with these two) methinks.

    The Dup don’t do comedy………………

    …Ah but they do !

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    I know, I know: that dull, spazzy insistence upon not making stuff up. Or at least, not much, not all the time. So here’s the thing: if the Spaced Out One could even go every other day without making stuff up, he would cease to the clinical spectacle he currently is. That, or, as I have said since the start of the War on Slabber: he could just make *new* stuff up. That would have the virtue of novelty, if nothing else.

  • Thereyouarenow

    Re: Laughing(Tory)Unionist

    Are you sealed in a room having a good time on your own.

    You may be laughing or you may be doing what you are………

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Tried, oh Lord but I have tried. Dull recitations, lengthy detailed quotes, arguments advanced, facts tabulated – all been done, all to no effect. He just keeps making the stuff up, and runs away as fast as his little legs will take him when his spooffing is put up to him. Which is why he needs to keep being laughed at. Or should I let you in on the joke? Should I reveal that Samso is a Bel Littlejohn, a Wallace Arnold, a creation of the Dark Sage of Limavady? Perhaps not, the joke’s too funny for too much daylight.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    On my own? I’m sitting here with all of Samso’s claims over the last few years. So crowded but not exactly packed . . .

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Perhaps some other Provette, indeed, as Gez puts it, perhaps an indigenous Provette would like to do what Samso *won’t* and step forward and defend some of his more, uh, challenging claims? Obviously in some cases that’ll mean explaining why McMurderous, for instance, turned turtle too – pace there being no question of a Unionist veto on a Payroll Republican holding P&J, then there being one, then it being slapped on good n’ hard – and dissing da boss ain’t exactly what Slugger’s bould Republicans are famed for. But hope springs eternal. So c’mon, what are you waiting for?

  • Pete Baker

    Dec

    “Remember how many threads he wrote saying this visit would never happen?”

    That would be precisely none.

    But, no doubt, you have a particular example you’d like to share with us all?

    Or are you just mis-remembering.

  • joeCanuck

    Pete,
    What’s your position on name calling? Acceptable behaviour for a commenter?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Pete, I see – it must have been the fact that you didnt mention the P word in your posting that led me to that conclusion or perhaps I was getting you mixed up with your namesake Robbo, who told us all he was under no pressure.

    And talking of the P word and the DUP. Lundified by Jimbo(TUV) and by some of the UUP if they move and beaten into second place at the Stomo elections if they dont plus having to endure greater ROI involvement (Deputy Dodsy’s and Robbo’s own analysis).

    How galling to have to have to sit there an listen to an interfering yank telling them how, sorry encouraging them diplomatically, on how to run their own backyard and then having to stay to applaud your own diplomatic ass kicking- apart of course from the 2 quarefellahs who had endured enough and did a runner at the end.

    So they key question remains for the DUP, who are in somewhat of a STA pickle of their own manufacture – will it be not in a a political LIFETIME or just not before CHRISTMAS?

    p.s. Have the DUP said why they agreed to change the process of the selection of the first minister and why they agreed that there had to be an election if Stormo faltered rather than a suspension – they dont look like great tactical moves unless you are SF.

  • Thereyouarenow

    LTU said

    “On my own? I’m sitting here with all of Samso’s claims over the last few years. So crowded but not exactly packed . . .”

    Well you need to get out (more) urgently before its too late.

  • Comrade Stalin

    would it fair to summarise your reading of events that this visit puts the DUP under abolutely no additional pressure? lol

    Sammy, the Americans are in no position to exert influence, except via the British government, and we already know that they are in no position to exert influence either.

    It would be suicide for it to look like the DUP accepted a deal because they were bounced into it.

    And I certainly wouldn’t take lectures from the Americans on the virtues of peaceful means, or democracy for that matter.

  • OC

    Thanks Pigeon Toes!

  • OC

    “And I certainly wouldn’t take lectures from the Americans on the virtues of peaceful means, or democracy for that matter.”

    Explain the “democracy” crack.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    CS,

    well Norn Iron has been rightly internationalised and we need the Yanks to keep the Englezes honest but to be fair – to date – the Englezes have been as good as their word – but there are those mad-dog-right-wing-Tories waiting in the wings…

    Regarding the DUP, Hilary has been diplomatic but there can be little doubt about what they are expected to do, or in my opinion what they will do it – the poor friendless feckers have no where else to go.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Sammy,

    You’re putting a lot of store in the unionist instinct for self-preservation – which does not exist. Unionists would burn their own housea down rather than do a deal if they were so inclined. They don’t care about the English, the Americans, the Tories or anyone else.

    It’ll be the guts of a year before this is sorted. Personally I think the DUP are being ridiculous by stringing this thing out beyond the general election, but that’s where we are.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Explain the “democracy” crack.

    George Bush’s appointment as President by his party comrades in the Supreme Court in 2000.

  • OC

    “George Bush’s appointment as President by his party comrades in the Supreme Court in 2000.”

    Proof, please?

  • joeCanuck

    Silence is golden but, unfortunately, all that glisters is not gold.

  • Comrade Stalin

    OC,

    Jesus. This is one of the most talked about events in American politics within the past ten years, and you’re asking me for a source.

    There’s a movie made all about it which is largely factual. Go watch it.

  • Dec

    Dec

    “Remember how many threads he wrote saying this visit would never happen?”

    That would be precisely none.

    But, no doubt, you have a particular example you’d like to share with us all?

    Or are you just mis-remembering.

    Spit out the bait. Your default mode is Slippery. You never say something won’t happen instead just rubbish those who do(Niall O’Dowd, anyone with the remotest connection to SF who said there would be a visit from a US envoy). Then she arrived and suddenly it’s at the ‘fag end’ of a European tour – nobody tell Putin. Such grace in defeat.

  • Pete Baker

    I’ll do it for you then, dec.

    Here’s the furthest I’ve gone on the prospect of a Clinton visit [in September].

    “[Niall O’Dowd’s] argument, such as it is, is that the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, who may or may not visit NI in September, will take responsibility for the role. Which, as Secretary of State, she would have had anyway.”

    Guys. Stop inventing stuff.

  • Thereyouarenow

    Has their been much research done amongst the general Unionist populace to see if they are for/against/indifferent about Policing and Justice being devolved.

    Regarding Stormounts future

    Partition = not really a long term success

    Unionist Majority Rule = absolute failure

    Direct rule = In my opinion a failure

    What we have now ?? In my opinion Unionists should make this work because they are running out of options.

    If Unionist can keep NI, shall we say between 51/55% as they would like it then perhaps NI as it stands has a future.

    But if Unionists believe that they can make NI 100% British then there plans are doomed.

  • Brit

    “George Bush’s appointment as President by his party comrades in the Supreme Court in 2000.”

    CS, you generally come across as one of the more thoughtful and independent people on here but that’s just sub-Michael Moore, undergraduate conpiricising at its most mindless.

    There was a very close vote and the Supreme Court decided that Bush was the winner – this means that Bush stole or bought the election and that American is no real democracy??

    Democracy, or liberal democracy, is limited to the extent that it is a democracy of political power but not economic power. It is also in practice compromised when compared to the ideal of democracy – with First Past the Post giving minority parties landslide majorities and other more representative systems giving hugely disproportionate power to small power broker parties (like the extreme religious parties in Israel) and the whole compromise that is representative democracy.

    But lets not reject democracy or deny that the US is a democracy. It has a democratic system and the whole primary process is more participatory than anything in most democracies. It has a free press and extreme freedom of speech laws, complete freedom of religion and a secular state alongside guaranteed human rights.

    If you want to create a list of countries which don’t practice democracy in substance and/or form the US wont feature on the first couple of pages – so grow the f@ck up.

  • OC

    Well, Comrade Stalin, your link led me here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount

    Gore lost fair and square, and thanks to a DEMOCRATIC PARTY controlled election machine in Florida which screwed him, if anybody did. Not to mention that the ballots in question must have been filled out by morons. [Oh please, God, let them institute an educational requirement in order to vote!]

    “The media reported the results of the study during the week after November 12, 2001. The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election.[my emphasis]”

    So please, Comrade, keep your limited knowledge of the facts, and your snide remarks, to yourself.

    BTW thanks Brit.

    And what if Gore had won? After 9/11, perhaps he would have imposed a carbon credit scheme on Al Quida and the Taliban regime in Afganistan?