What comes after next week’s referendum for Lisbon?

Interesting line from the director of the European Strategy Forum, Peter Ludlow on what happens in next but one thing in the big treaty debate on the Euractiv site…

For the moment, the position is that if [the second appeal] is referred to the Czech Constitutional Court on 29 September, Klaus has grounds for not signing until that appeal is resolved,” said Ludlow.

On that day, the Constitutional Court would have to decide whether to launch a second appeal procedure, challenging the conformity of the Lisbon Treaty with the Czech constitution, at the request of a group of senators close to Eurosceptic President Václav Klaus.

“The president of the Constitutional Court has indicated that simply on procedural grounds, this process will take at least three months: it could also take six months,” said Ludlow, adding that this would bridge the gap until elections are held in the UK, where Conservative leader David Cameron plans to stage a referendum over the reform treaty and kill it.

With the way things are at the moment, it looks like the Czech’s might be a better hope for UK Eurosceptics like Danhttp://euractiv.com/en/future-eu/break-week-lisbon-treaty/article-185756#

However, there is an opinion out there which suggests that if Ireland bring the bacon home, there will be immense pressure applied to the Czech Eurosceptic President Klaus… Though it’s not clear just what pressure can be brought… And says Marco Incerti a researcher at the Centre for European Policy Studies:

“There is no provision either for setting up an alternative ‘core European Union’, as was suggested recently by Italian Prime Minister [Silvio] Berlusconi, and before him, by more respectable and more serious people,” I

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  • steve ste

    Errrr ANOTHER ONE if the Oirish have the cheek to disobey their EU owners and deliver another ‘No’ vote.

  • The Raven

    “What comes after next week’s referendum for Lisbon?”

    A few days free of Lisbon posts…? 🙂

  • It is crucial that we vote no to kill this wretched rag of a Treaty. There is a risk that Klaus could be stripped of his powers by the Czech Senate, as proposed by a Social Democrat Senator some months ago. I have a little hope that even if it’s a yes, Klaus can save us. But it’s far from clear. Only a no vote can definitively kill this Treaty – a document which is a gross betrayal of the men and woman of 1916. No to Lisbon and foreign-rule.

  • Dave

    FT, the Irish people have a history of backing down when they challenge authority and it refutes their challenge (e.g. they backed down after Nice treaty), so they’lre a lost cause in the fight for democracy and sovereign nation-states in Europe. The only hope now is if Václav Klaus can stall long enough to call Cameron’s bluff on a referendum. President Klaus is a distinguished economist and scholar who has written extensively on the threat that the EU presents to democracy in Europe, so he knows the menance and that the cause is just. He, unlike the Irish people, will not back away from the good fight.

  • Dave, I would contend that the Lisbon issue differs from Nice in that, whereas the Seville Declarations were annexed to the Lisbon Treaty and therefore had legal-status, the so-called ‘guarantees’ have not been attached to or incorporated in any way within the Lisbon Treaty.

  • Dave

    FT, the pattern is always repeated: (a) the people vote contrary to how the government and its EU master want them to vote, (b) EU masters instruct the government to find a pretext to overturn the result of the poll and to rerun it until they vote the way that the EU wants them to vote, (c) the government complies with its EU masters, and the people comply by duly voting the way they are required to vote. It is always the case that the government commissions a survey of why people voted the wrong way and that it duly finds they voted the wrong way because they were misinformed, misled or had irrational fears about the content of the treaty. This is the pretext that is then used to overturn the wrong result by holding another poll that is designed to return the right result. Do you think that there isn’t a soul who doesn’t know the little game that is played? They all know. They may assert their will against the state and its master, but they must back down when confronted by both. The history is that they do back down in this game. They are afraid to trust their own judgement, so they only trust it so far. But play on their fear that maybe their judgement is wrong and that their masters know best and the consequences of trusting their own judgement and they will back down. They are a weak people. Why else would they vote on exactly the same treaty twice and return a different verdict the second time? Give them up for the losers they are. It is only President Klaus who now has the character and the conviction to stand firm. The Irish will soon be revealed as dogs that fight but then take flight when the master stamps his foot sternly on the pavement.

  • Guest

    Correct Dave.
    We are a weak people.And it disgusts me.

    I am ashamed.
    Europe should be more ashamed but of course they’re not.

  • Guest

    But my brother has married a Czech.
    No consolation,but maybe you’re right.

  • Guest

    I believe that I have the right to take up arms.
    And I shall.