“must be living in a different world and different planet”

I’d agree with the former British ambassador to Libya, Oliver Miles, “If you go back to Tony Blair’s first visit to Libya in 2004 one of the very first things that came out of that was a statement about co-operation in the military field, in security”, “It doesn’t at all surprise me that should involve a police element.” He’s referring to the secondment of a PSNI officer to the National Policing Improvement Agency [NPIA] ahead of that officer’s deployment to Libya. It wasn’t the first such training provided by PSNI officers. But the DUP’s Nigel Dodds disagrees

[Nigel Dodds] said it was “totally inappropriate and offensive” that PSNI officers were selected to provide training “given the very recent history of what the Libyans have done in terms of the annals of terrorism in Northern Ireland”. “Whoever made that decision, whoever thought that was the right way to proceed, must be living in a different world and different planet,” he added.

Apparently, that decision was made in December 2008, following a request by the NPIA, when the BBC report tells us – “because the request fell between meetings of the Human Resources sub-committee, protocol dictated that the chair of the committee, Ian Paisley Junior, approved the decision himself along with his vice-chair.” Ultimately it was also approved by the NI Secretary of State, Shaun Woodward, MP. Something Mr Woodward neglected to mention in last night’s Hearts and Minds interview. Adds From the updated BBC report

Mr Paisley said if his colleague had been aware of the background he would not have made the comments and there were benefits to the UK from the move. “In an adult world you don’t have to be a genius to work out why it would be useful to have a senior officer, who has got intelligence skills, in Libya and who examines that country and who looks at the facts that surround that country and to bring that information back to us,” he said. “It would have been very churlish for us, being aware of all of the facts that I can’t go into in total detail… whenever we know that other material came in the opposite direction as a result of Libya trying to help.”

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  • loki

    Oh dear, oh dear. Young Master Paisley may find it tricky to spin his way out of this one:-)

    submit word- evidence. Always the problem isn’t it, smoking gun’s usually about somewhere

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Well what do you know – more Unionist civil warring. Jimbo’s odds for North Antrim seat must be shortening.

    http://www.tuv.org.uk/press-releases/view/322/paisley-should-resign-from-policing-board

  • fin

    Taxi for Mr Paisley………

  • Thereyouarenow

    DUP colluding with Gadafi

    Who would have thunk of that.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Jimbo looks a good bet at 2/1.

    Paddy POwer. Singles Only. Applies to the next Westminster General Election for North Antrim and who wins the seat. Bets will run onto the party should the listed candidate not participate. Others on request.

    Ian Paisley Jnr (DUP) 1/3

    Jim Allister (TUV) 2/1

    Rodney McCune (UUP) 10/1

    Phillip McGuigan (SF) 25/1

  • If it wasn’t so serious it would be funny!
    http://kennedycartoons.com

  • “I met Superintendent Kevin Smith who is the International Policing Advisor (IPA) covering the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) .. as I came in one door he was off on another project deployment to somewhere like Libya, Oman, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain or back to his home force (Police Service of Northern Ireland).” Source

    It’s BallyMENA – hi 🙂

  • Driftwood

    Got a tenner on Allister already. Those odds may change shortly.
    I hope Robinson doesn’t have a fit of common sense and ditch this liability as I want really badly to see him lose the seat.
    What chance Jeffrey and Nigel’s wee trip to the Colonels’ tent bearing fruit now?
    pathetic

  • Driftwood, I’ve previously suggested that Junior might not even get the Westminster DUP nomination in North Antrim.

  • jone

    IPJ in full damage limitation mode on Evening Extra now.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Actually, although Driftwood (fictional Mayor of Trumpton) will disagree the Westminster seats really amount to feck all except bragging rights and if you are a Unionist at least having a presence, but its Stormo, if its still going, where Seats-Means-Ministries that should really worry the DUP in North Antrim as elsewhere.

    Of course for the good guys on the Fenian side of the fence its all good fun.

    Driftwood, have you placed your bet with the papal bookmaker PP or a differnet one – if so who else is offering odds?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Actually, although Driftwood (fictional Mayor of Trumpton) will disagree the Westminster seats really amount to feck all except bragging rights and if you are a Unionist at least having a presence, but its Stormo, if its still going, where Seats-Means-Ministries that should really worry the DUP in North Antrim as elsewhere.

    Of course for the good guys on the Fenian side of the fence its all good fun.

    Driftwood, have you placed your bet with the papal bookmaker PP or a differnet one – if so who else is offering odds?

  • Turgon

    Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit,
    There is some merit in your argument but realistically if Jim Allister takes North Down the DUP have an enormous problem. They will be staring into a multi seat loss at the next Stormont elections and the TUV could have a dozen seats. Even a close called win for the DUP could be a harbinger of considerable loss of seats.

    At the current rate of going I would not be surprised if the TUV took more than one Westminster seat.

  • Turgon

    North Down duh I mean North Antrim. Sorry I was getting too excited.

    Where should I stand?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Turgon,

    Yes exciting times for you and the TUV – and amusing times for everyone else except the DUP – but lets be honest just how unlucky is it for the DUP that Deputy Dodsy was in a Radio studio and gave birth to his what-planet-remarks before checking if Ian Paisley Junior had been for a wee dander round the Milky Way courtesy of Inter-Galactic-Police-board.

    Cartoonists will have a field day – you only need stick a few Vulcanised ears on Ian Junior with a lunar backdrop.

    Pete, suprised you didnt spot what was going on in the old telescope. On a clear night you can just make out the Paisley nose in the Northern skies.

  • Driftwood

    Sammy
    Paddy has served me well (and I him) well at various times.
    IPJ is now claiming the PSNI officer was in Libya to spy on them!
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8263295.stm

    The FCO will enjoy that allegation.
    He just keeps on digging.
    The sad thing for the victims given false hope by Jeffrey’s cynical electioneering stunt is that they have been sold right down the river by someone called Ian Paisley. It’s like deja vu all over again.
    Colonel Gadaffi (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-straw-reinvents-despotic-little-killer-gaddafi-as-courageous-statesman-577443.html) must wonder what sort of lunatics he is dealing with here.

  • Driftwood

    Nevin
    The DUP would find it difficult to give up the Paisley ‘brand’ in their heartland. The only intelligent politician they seem to have in that area is Deirdre Nelson, is she viable candidate?

  • Turgon

    Driftwood,
    Deirdre Nelson jumped ship to the Conservatives

  • William

    We have heard Junior gave approval, as Sir Desmond Rea, the then Board Chairman, but who was Junior’s deputy chair, who also gave his/her approval….must be a Stoope or a Shinner, or even an Independent?

  • AP

    I recall hearing that Paisley Senior asked Agriculture’s Gildernew, when she had her last child, would she be bringing the baby up to Stormont?

    She told him she wasn’t sure, to which the Big man retorted, ‘Well don’t, look at the problems, I’ve had with mine’.

  • PaddyReilly

    Where should I stand?

    Mid Ulster, surely, or Fermanagh and South Tyrone or East Londonderry. Obviously you won’t get in, except (doubtfully) in EL.

    Strangford and North Antrim are TUV’s best chances.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Driftwood:

    I hope Robinson doesn’t have a fit of common sense and ditch this liability as I want really badly to see him lose the seat.

    I am not surprised to see a UCUNF supporter hoping that rejectionist unionism succeeds.

  • slug

    Well done Peter Cardwell in breaking the story.

  • danielmoran

    driftwood msg 9. just when ian o.g. thought it was safe to go back in the water. it’s a case of ‘from seymour money to seymour libyans. oops.
    ‘and foaming at the mouth, he began to make his midnight speech’ [bob dylan; ballad of frankie lee and judas priest’]

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    CS,

    UCUNF are now an admitted anti-agreement party having committed themselves to voting against the transfer of Police.

    The UCUNF will probably be ditched by the Tories unless they mend their ways as the Tories will continue their ‘no strategic interest in Norn Iron’ policy by sticking to their support for the GFA.

  • west belfast

    I’m sorry but I don’t see what the fuss is. The sooner people realise the PSNI is not the RUC the better.

    First call should be to the Police Federation – Terry Spence should stop representing a force that went out of business nearly 10 years ago.

    The PSNI represents all the community and I have no problem with them going to Libya.

    This is how peace is built and how the mistakes of the past are put behind us.

    I now firmly believe that unionism is itself the greatest risk to the union – so go ahead and shot yourselves in the foot again (please excuse the analogy).

  • Big Maggie

    Will somebody please explain to me why Libya is relying on the PSNI, the least efficient of all UK police forces, to train their officers?

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    perhaps the disser IRA will one day seek financial compensation from the Libyan government for their security collaboration with the PSNI.

  • Driftwood

    Comrade Stalin
    I don’t support the TUV or Jim Allister. I just LOATHE Paisley Junior (and his father). It’s personal, I would like to see a comeuppance for Senior before he leaves the pale blue dot and I just cannot abide Junior. Allister grates on me too but you get the feeling he has a fraction more wit than either Paisley.
    There are some reactionary people in the UU but the Tory influence may flush them out. I’ll be voting SDLP here in South Down anyway.

  • Driftwood

    Turgon
    That’s interesting about Deirdre Nelson, she struck me as being too bright to be in a medieval religious fanatic party like the DUP. nice to see she has joined the UU/Tory centre ground.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Driftwood, the Tories aren’t going to flush anyone out except the idiots who are foolish enough to trust them.

  • AS

    Ian Paisley Jnr, Spymaster?

  • andrew white

    nice to see she has joined the UU/Tory centre ground. …

    you mean like reg , justice only for unionists, empey?

  • Big Maggie

    Will somebody please explain to me why Libya is relying on the PSNI, the least efficient of all UK police forces, to train their officers?

    I know I’ve asked this before but for some reason nobody is prepared to respond.

    Could it be that the filth in Tripoli spend 61% of their time at their desks?

  • Driftwood

    Comrade
    David Cameron is not a Nu Labour/Mandelson fairweather friend. He has a genuine interest in NI as part of the Union. Like most of the UUP he wants a fair way forward for everyone. Religious belief means little to him. He would not have indulged in this cynical indulgence of that creep Gadaffi.
    Paisley junior’s attempt to spin this (after a day of silence)as James Bond stuff is laughable.
    Basil McCrea came across as the only sane commentator tonight.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Like most of the UUP he wants a fair way forward for everyone.

    Yeah, and I’m Tsar Nicholas II.

    Basil McCrea came across as the only sane commentator tonight.

    Did he bring his calculator ?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Driftwood, I meant to ask. What’s that about voting for the SDLP in south down ? How can you square this with your fawning propaganda for UCUNF ? I thought UCUNF would be standing in all 18 constituencies so why won’t you be supporting them ?

    You really are just a troll at the end of the day.

  • fair_deal

    WTF?

  • Driftwood

    CS
    Troll or not, like many Conservatives, I will vote tactically, given the constituancy. The SDLP have a good record in South Down, and the alternative is Catriona Ruane. Is it that difficult to work out?
    I voted Dermot Nesbitt last time and Alliance 2nd but Dermot has a new job and I don’t know who the Tory/UU candidate is yet, but Jim Wells is also off my radar. You’re very pass remarkable, very Alliance.

  • Pete Baker

    fair deal

    I think you may have to be more specific with your question.

  • igor

    When we were told PSNI was ‘down to the wire’ in terms of resources we didn’t know that the wire was in Tripoli

    If these officers are sent there because of their skills when we are told there are such skills gaps back at home it doesn’t compute

  • frustrated democrat

    CS

    You seem to be fixated by the CU’s are you afraid they will seduce more of your members or maybe you are waiting for a call from the Conservatives to have a realistic chance of election.

    The Alliance’s days are numbered as a political force in NI as the CU’s are moving into the middle ground, move over now when you have the chance.

  • Eleanor Bull

    “IPJ is now claiming the PSNI officer was in Libya to spy on them!
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8263295.stm

    The FCO will enjoy that allegation.
    He just keeps on digging.”

    Yes, Driftwood. And then the ninny bangs on about “being adult”. I would imagine adults would have the wit to know when to shut up. Having stupidly inferred “we’re spying on yiz”, perhaps IPJ might care to withdraw his “spying” inferences, words that just might, you know, endanger the lives of any UK policemen working in Libya in the future.

    Just imagine…a Paisley spouting off with a collection of words that might be the genesis to some form of violence. Who could ever imagine such a thing?

  • Thereyouarenow

    Re: Ian Paisley jr suggestion that the PSNI are spying is that with a former IRA spy from within the PSNI.

    If Rowan Atkinson ever desides to spoof a moron politician then Ian Óg is the ready made template.

    Thats Ian Óg as M………..for moron.

  • danielmoran

    big maggie…. no. 9
    that’s one of the enduring mysteries. perhaps they need to show in training exrecises, how NOT to run a police force, or indeed how to perfect the art of sitting in landrovers while someone is getting beaten up. maybe the ‘s’ in PSNI stands for spineless.

  • igor

    “IPJ might care to withdraw his “spying” inferences”

    ….if i was one of the officers involved I might now be seeking protection and consulting my lawyers

  • danielmoran

    igor msg 21. a clear case of ‘out of the frying pan into the fire. it could be that there’s an intra-dynastic [nasty for short] feud going on chez duppers. after all, wasn’t ian Own Goal, deposed by the robbo faction to get rid of paisley ‘pere’. that time. this could be sabotage of the whole libyan /victims strategy.
    wee jeffrey’s visit will now be seen in a far different context than perhaps he ould have wished. so instead of the dup base being reminded of the party’s dedication to victims in run up to elections, they’ll be reminded that the party is at war with itslf.i’m sure that sunny jim can scarcely believe his luck. this morning.

  • Reader

    danielmoran: maybe the ‘s’ in PSNI stands for spineless.
    SF shouldn’t praise them for not intervening as vehicles are being hijacked and burnt out in Lurgan, then. Mixed messages.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    BM,

    Quaint term ‘filth’ – do you have any other good old trot terms in your locker? Presumably the 61% relates to the following of procedures rather than than the motivation of individual officers – Wonder if there are camparative figure for the Gardai?

    ps Mention of planetary matters puts me in mind of Alex and Co – perhaps an episode based on the movement IPJ.

  • danielmoran

    ‘i would like to see a comeuppance for senior’
    driftwood msg 4

    the best fun of all would be for senior to survive for another ten or fifteen years, long enough to see the ‘party’ he created, back to it’s rump status from which it never should have emerged.
    Ironic to see that after over thirty years of being the party that dare not speak it’s name, the dup had to depend on arch enemy trimble to catapult it to it’s current mystifying popularity.

  • GavBelfast

    Driftwood (to CS) : You’re very pass remarkable, very Alliance.

    LOL. Guilty as charged, I’d say.

  • borderline

    Hey Big Maggie,

    you call the police ‘filth’.

    How cool are you?

    You must be a real hard case, eh?

  • ispy
  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    ispy,

    Jimbo is quite right – it does not make much sense.

    Can we have some money and oh by the way we have been spying on you?