David Ford on IJP’s defection to the Conservative Party

On BBC NI Politics Show, Alliance Party leader David Ford comments on the defection of his party’s European candidate, Cllr Ian J Parsley, to the Conservative Party.

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  • Simon

    Does the electorate actually know or care who Parsley is?

  • percy

    I thought David answered well, and won the arguemnt over locally devolved vs national politcs.

    pete are we going to get anything on patten/gillespie/policing/confidence or am I jumping the gun?
    Its just that the Ford post was 1:46, and its now 3:56.
    Maybe its a British Summer time thing. doh?

  • Pete Baker

    Patience, percy..

  • percy

    sure pete,
    its just that forensics reveal the patten/gillespie/policing& confidence youtube’s
    were made before Mark Davenport’s;
    and as you know the devil is in the detail !

  • joeCanuck

    Does the electorate actually know or care who Parsley is?

    They will when he becomes the tories SOS for N.I. (and Wales?).

  • DC

    Simon, he was the guy who was a ‘vote for hope’ but now come next election he’s “hoping for your vote”.

  • Comrade Stalin

    It is highly unlikely that the Tories will appoint someone from NI to be the Secretary of State. There are constitutional implications to doing so, given that the NI Conservatives will have a tiny number of MPs if they have any at all.

    If there are any NI Conservative MPs (and that’ll be a stretch), they’ll get given some sort of silly unimportant junior ministry. Senior cabinet posts tend to be safe seats, and there won’t be any safe Conservative seats in NI.

  • loki

    enough already. The Conservativbes have other options and young IJP hasn’t covered himself with glory thus far. Let’s wait and see who they produce.

  • elvis parker

    You can argue all night about who the Conservatives will or wont appoint and when they’ll appoint them, etc. Truth is a DUP, SDLP or any other local variety will never get the job as they both pursue a crazy isolationist ‘ourselves alone’ strategy
    So I guess Parsley has more chance than any current local MP!

  • joeCanuck

    I was joking, guys.

  • Continental Drifter

    Comrade,

    I agree with your point but not your reasoning.

    If Hermon does the wise thing, North Down would be a fairly safe seat.

    But certainly Cameron has never mentioned Cabinet seats, and wisely not.

  • igor

    I dont think the Conservatives would give him any post becasue he’s not up to it! Whats more he has yet to get elected.

  • Comrade Stalin

    CD, it does not look like Hermon will do the wise thing, but we will see. I agree, if there’s no Hermon there, Parsley’s chances go up significantly. He’d make a far better MP than that weird DUP boyo.

  • Mike

    Comrade Stalin

    “It is highly unlikely that the Tories will appoint someone from NI to be the Secretary of State. There are constitutional implications to doing so, given that the NI Conservatives will have a tiny number of MPs if they have any at all.”

    What an utterly bizarre statement.

    There would be “constitutional implications” to the Conservatives appointing a SoS from NI because they will have a “tiny number of MPs” from NI according to you, but there were none when:

    – the Conservatives appointed SoSs for NI who weren’t from NI, when they had no seats in NI
    – Labour appointed SoSs for NI who weren’t from NI, and didn’t even run in NI
    – the Conservatives appointed SoSs for Scotland, and for Wales, when they only had a minority of MPs in Scotland, and in Wales.

    Seems like your “constitutional implications” are simply Alliance sour grapes/wishful thinking.

  • YelloSmurf

    Mike, the implications are that SoSNI is required to be a semi impartial figure who can mediate between all sides, an Ulster Unionist would have trouble doing this because they are biased towards Unionism, specifically Ulster Unionism

  • John East Belfast

    Yellosmurf

    What makes you think that any Conservative SOS would not be biased towards Ulster Unionism – now that the two parties are in an alliance ?

    Are you saying that only Scots, Welsh and English Conservatives should serve in the role of SOS for NI ?

    Why not a NI Conservative – I would say the complete opposite and if we are going to have a SOS here then we may as well have someone who was born here and cares about the place ?

  • Anyone know anything about the rumour that Michael McGimpsey won’t make the UUP / Tory ticket in South Belfast?

    A certain Catholic lady, well known in PR circles is being touted as the Next Big Thing.

    Anyone hear owt?

    (Apologies if this has been picked up elsewhere on the site)

  • Would the health minister choosing not to give up his Executive post really be a surprise to anyone who hadn’t been living under a stone?

    Haven’t a clue who this Catholic lady is, but Paula Bradshaw would be a cracking candidate for S Belfast.

  • andrew white

    Haven’t a clue who this Catholic lady is, but Paula Bradshaw would be a cracking candidate for S Belfast. ………

    will she be one of the first women selected because she is female rather than on ability, after all got to make Camerons Quotas and all that.

  • DC

    Michael McGimpsey? Try de-selecting McNarry and even Reg first!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mike:

    – the Conservatives appointed SoSs for NI who weren’t from NI, when they had no seats in NI
    – Labour appointed SoSs for NI who weren’t from NI, and didn’t even run in NI
    – the Conservatives appointed SoSs for Scotland, and for Wales, when they only had a minority of MPs in Scotland, and in Wales.

    So if Labour appointed an SDLP MP as Secretary of State, and he went around giving speeches about a united Ireland, you’d be cool with that ? And you reckon the unionist electorate would be cool with it ?

    A straight answer would do. ?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Andrew, from what I know (not much, it has to be said) Paula is more than capable. But I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the selection meeting, especially with the brothers grimm there. I can’t imagine that the UCUNF imposing their centrally determined candidate list is going to go down well with the faithful.

  • … but Paula Bradshaw would be a cracking candidate for S Belfast. ………

    That clearly wasn’t the opinion of the voters in Laganbank in 2005. She got fewer votes even than the Green Party candidate or the Alliance Party candidate. She did beat the Workers Party and the Socialist Party, but not convincingly, to come third last, with a quarter of a quota!

    Ironically, though, she did get more votes than boyfriend Parsley in Holywood, though he got closer to a quota (40% of one!).

  • Are you inferring to the factual rumour that Paula Bradshaw and Ian Parsley are an item?

    There is no constitutional requirement stopping the Conservatives appointing a UCUNF politico as minister, only convention and tradition are the restraining forces – as seen by Brown appointing a Lord as Secretary of State, overriding the convention that Secretaries of States should be elected MPs. I do find an anomaly that Lord Trimble is not in the shadow government tho – maybe he isn’t good enough.

    The Conservatives only survive in Scotland thanks to the PR system so I tend to think their selfish interest is to do a Thatcher and say one thing in public but do nothing in private.

  • Sorry Horseman didn’t see your explicit confirmation of the rumour (sic).

  • Sorry Horseman didn’t see your explicit confirmation of the rumour (sic).

    It’s been on Ian’s blog for months. It’s hardly a rumour or a secret.

  • grannie trixie

    Comrad Stalin: re the chances of Herman and Parsley:
    surely its all change now? Who is going to vote for IJP? With his parting remarks he shot himself in the foot as regards the Unionists and Alliance voters simply do not trust him now and will not vote for him. So the test will be – are there enough Conservatives out there to vote for him.I doubt it. Infact,with Parsley gone and Hermon flakey its just the time to bring to the fore a another Alliance name.

  • Continental Drifter

    Nice try Trixie.

    But actually there aren’t very many Socialists in North Down, I’m afraid!

    I think IJP has just made Hermon’s decision for her. She’ll back him and he’ll walk in.

    Politicos don’t like defections. But the public really don’t mind at all – ask Jeffrey!

  • andrew white

    I think IJP has just made Hermon’s decision for her. She’ll back him and he’ll walk in……..

    You really dont understand how much Sylvia despises Reg and co.

    Sylvia will stand as an “ulster unionist” in principle if not on the ballot paper. IJP is about to get whipped again.

  • disinterested observer

    I agree with CD. I think LSH will call it a day. If she runs things could get nasty. Also the last thing she wants to do is to hand the seat to the DUP – esp not to Peter Weir given their ‘history’

  • Comrade Stalin

    Comrad Stalin: re the chances of Herman and Parsley:
    surely its all change now? Who is going to vote for IJP? With his parting remarks he shot himself in the foot as regards the Unionists and Alliance voters simply do not trust him now and will not vote for him.

    It would be tempting for me to agree with that, but we must not take the electorate for granted, and we mustn’t underestimate an individual who has the potential to be a very credible candidate. I don’t think it’ll be a walk in for him, though.

    So the test will be – are there enough Conservatives out there to vote for him.I doubt it. Infact,with Parsley gone and Hermon flakey its just the time to bring to the fore a another Alliance name.

    I don’t think the Tory thing will fly, but we can’t assume that at least some of what they are throwing out there will not stick and ensure the electorate are informed of their real agenda as the political wing of the UUP.

    When are you Tory boys going to give up the jerking off ? I don’t see Sylvia stepping down. And if you challenge her and the seat goes to the DUP, c’est la vie. You’re the guys who don’t want to meaningfully reform the FPTP electoral system in the UK, so you’re culpable.

  • Re S Belfast, the rumour I was talking about has nothing to do with Paula Bradshaw.

    It was someone much closer to the PR industry.

  • I always though S.Belfast was going SDLP.

  • Zoonpoi.

    At least two of those letters are correct.

  • Zoonpoi.

    At least two of those letters are correct.

  • The SDLP are clearly the bookies’ favourites to hold on to South Belfast. For all the excited twitching of BluKidz and Teenie DUPpers here, it’s one of the few constituencies that has a decent SDLP organisation, the Shinners haven’t made much progress there and, well sorry to point to the elephant in the sitting room, but there are more Catholics and less Protestants resident in it than there were in 2005. (Now all the Tories will call me sectarian for making a statement of the obvious.)

    It’s not impossible the DUP could squeeze UCUNF and take it, odds favour Alasdair.

    I’d heard your PR lady was being steered towards destruction at the hands of Jeffrey Donaldson, rather than McDonnell and Spratt.

  • Comrade Stalin

    The blue fantasy jerk-off UCUNF machine is currently suggesting that Donaldson might be the next to defect.

    Meanwhile the Tories said today something that I, for once, am in total agreement with :

    We are facing a major economic crisis should we win the next election.

  • andrew white

    and the COnservatives today refused to guarantee funding for the police . LIttle wonder reg and mcnarry want to put off devolving policing for 5 years – they know the Conservatives are going to gut it