Donaldson, Libya and his boss

Jeffrey Donaldson has been getting himself heavily involved in the fight for compensation for the victims of the IRA’s Libyan weapons (indeed there is currently a video of his BBC interview on the DUP website). This is undoubtedly an excellent idea and as the American victims of Libyan terrorism have gained compensation the idea that people here affected by their proxies should receive compensation seems only just. However, as Jim Allister has pointed out an attempt to gain compensation would be immensely helped if the Deputy First Minister directly provided information about the arms shipments. Of course that is not going to happen but I doubt we will see the DUP mentioning it or Jeffrey demanding his boss (McGuinness) in the First Minister’s department help.

  • Loki

    Go Turgon!! The fact that JD’s only looking compensation form IRA related terrorism stinks. Where’s the support for victims of loyalist terrorism?

  • Sir James Craig

    I commend Jeffrey for looking for compensation for those victims of Libyan supplied arms such as used by the UVF.

  • hey guess what

    Ho Hum. Telegraph.co.uk If the latest information to surface about our Government supplying SAS soldiers to Libya is to be believed then our leaders have truly sold their souls to the devil.

    At least Muammar giving some brits some dosh.

  • fin

    how about some compo for these people
    ‘I took some flesh home and called it my son.’

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/11/afghanistan-airstrike-victims-stories

    “the elders stepped in. They collected all the bodies they could and asked the people to tell them how many relatives each family had lost.

    A queue formed. One by one the bereaved gave the names of missing brothers, cousins, sons and nephews, and each in turn received their quota of corpses. It didn’t matter who was who, everyone was mangled beyond recognition anyway. All that mattered was that they had a body to bury and perform prayers upon.”

    Whoops forgot about ‘Turgons Law’ they were of course legally butchered, and anyway they were criminals as they were accepting stolen fuel to help their families survive the winter, therefore they are not victims and should not be recognised as such.

  • fin

    oh yeah the sadest bit

    “When we had run out of bodies we started giving them limbs, legs, arms, torsos.” In the end only five families went away without anything. “Their sons are still missing.”

  • While victims of IRA actions should be rightly compensated for their painful loss…..

    I find it incredible that victims of British/RUC and Loyalist actions are not afforded the same equality?

    Were the above victims not killed with similar weapons? Or even in death these victims are still ignored by the various Unionist Parties…really sad!

  • danielmoran

    yes, ardoyne republican. really sad, but even more predictable. wee jeffrey knows that libya provided weapons to loyalists but naturally, since there are no votes in that for his party, he’s not interested. why doesn’t jeff go the whole hog and join frazer’s UNfair group. perhaps he could show the good colonel some the …er, dvd films he managed to get at expense of his deluded voters.

  • Thereyouarenow

    Was there only casualties on one side in the war in NI

  • “libya provided weapons to loyalists”

    Daniel, do you think the two junior ministers should travel on a joint mission to Libya?

  • RepublicanStones

    Turgon seeing as you support victims of IRA violence getting compensation, will you support the families of victims of loyalists and Crown forces seeking millions as well?

    I take it you support the mayan vicitms of Guatemalan death squads seeking compensation from Israel, what about the victims of the contras, will you demand Uncle Sam pays up? If there were Kenyans seeking compo off Britian for the death squads during the Mau Mau, would you support it?

  • danielmoran

    nevin msg 9. yes, if it helped anything, but i have a feeling it would be nothing more than a junket anyway. ghaddafi’s son didn’t take long on sunday to dismiss the whole thing out of hand. ‘you have lawyers, so have we’ doesn’t inspire confidence. victims relatives are having their hopes built up cynically by politicians. so what’s new?.

  • fair_deal

    “Jim Allister has pointed out an attempt to gain compensation would be immensely helped if the Deputy First Minister directly provided information about the arms shipments”

    As the Libyan government has already a) admitted it shipped the stuff and b) detailed what they gave does JA’s claim of ‘immense help’ really stand up?

  • Squig

    “If the Deputy First Minister directly provided information about the arms shipments”

    Wonder if the current First Minister knows anything about the Brian Nelson/ Minlitary Intelligence/ South African Gov massive arms shipment to Ulster Resistance in the ’80’s?

  • Coll Ciotach

    All cash should of course be placed into the care of the Commission of Victims and Survivors.

  • loki

    I remember a time when FD would have agreed whole-heartedly with Sunny Jim:-)

  • andrew white

    so is Jim Allister saying we shouldnt seek compensation for victims until Marty says so?

  • fair_deal

    loki

    Then you need your memory checked. I always manage to think for myself.

  • Turgon

    fair_deal,
    It is very rare for me to accuse you of lying but you have a wife / partner / significant other so quite clearly you do not think for yourself: she does it for you.

  • fair_deal

    Turgon

    LOL. Wife (I can’t abide the term ‘partner’). I made a honest woman of her. I will clarify “I always manage to think for myself about politics”.

    Though she hasn’t expressed her opinion/maintained a healthy disinterest in our local politics yet so a watching brief perhaps 😉

  • Turgon

    fair_deal,
    I too am largely allowed my own political views. However, occasionally I am reminded by the wife that “I am more hard line than you.” The thing is that when said in a gentle Fermanagh accent even the maddest political idea seems almost reasonable.

  • joeCanuck

    the maddest political idea is that suppliers of arms owe any innocent or not so innocent “victims” compensation. As Ghaddafi og says, it just won’t fly, otherwise there are going to be millions of “victims” suing dozens of countries around the world.

    ironically, submit word is “trade”.

  • Driftwood

    Gaddaffi is a complete nut…
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-straw-reinvents-despotic-little-killer-gaddafi-as-courageous-statesman-577443.html

    Donalson really has been put out to grass by Robinson on a road to nowhere. The UK government has no interest in pursuing this and Donaldson must be incredibly naive or cynical to think this will bear fruit.
    Is there an election due in the next year?

  • Brian MacAodh

    Until NI gets over the past, the wounds will remain fresh.

    This is pointless, politically driven bullshit.

    I honestly think the only solution is for all victims to get equal compensation. Otherwise you are repating conflicts of the past.

  • JD

    Which is exactly the proposal that Eames/Bradley made that caused uproar amongst unionists. Go figure.

  • Driftwood

    23.Until NI gets over the past

    Nope Brian, that’s for generation X Factor to eventually figure that life aint fair..

    In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.
    — Richard Dawkins, “God’s Utility Function,” published in Scientific American (November, 1995), p. 85

    Some reading material for Jeffrey on his journey of hope..
    http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/8838

  • fair_deal

    Turgon

    My wife doesn’t like the government/regime in her home country having participated in pro-democracy protests there that were crushed but that aside it also has a few separatist parts that she has absolutely no sympathy for either. If she did take an interest in local politics I don’t think it would be a softly softly approach.

  • The Third Policeman

    Good of you to marry a Republican FD! What part of Ireland is she from?

  • fair_deal

    TTP

    Very droll.

  • danielmoran

    turgon msg 20
    clearly from this, it could be more to do with feminine wiles, [wiles not being the plural of wile in these parts]

  • leader of the pack

    I wonder if Willie Frazer thinks the victims of the loyalist groups that he had a lot of time for should be compensated also?

  • Zoon Politikon

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/6208014/British-police-training-Libyan-force-insult-to-memory-of-Pc-Yvonne-Fletcher.html

    Make of the above what you will and I for one have my own opinion:

    Only looking inward i think its very rich for Middle England to state this when they know how politics works. And how they have been grooming SF/IRA for decades.
    Looking outward i hope Dodds and Paisley Jnr have a fight for it appears now that the former and his dad are living Lundys but in terms of PR they are second to none for they fooled the majority of unionists into voting DUP in while all along looking after their own interests.
    RESPECT!