“There’s some major event going on..”

There has, apparently, been a massive security operation taking place over the past week near Forkhill in south Armagh, involving both the PSNI and Garda, and a number of families have been evacuated from their homes over the weekend – UTV Live report available here. There’s little detail in the on-line BBC report, but from what I can recall from the BBC NI Newsline report [available online here for now (7 mins 30 sec into RealPlayer streaming file)], after an initial warning last Tuesday, police received further information on Friday which allowed them to narrow their search and a number of suspicious devices have now been found. Update BBC report

A 600lb bomb has been made safe by an Army bomb disposal team near Forkhill, County Armagh, on the border with the Republic of Ireland. The device had a command wire running from where it was planted in NI to a firing point across the border.

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  • They discovered an arms dump beside a scrap yard and have blown it up.

  • Pete Baker

    “They discovered an arms dump…”

    Did they really..

  • Yes

  • barnshee

    but I though all the arms were gone

  • Barshee

    Really??

    You thought there were no guns left in the world?

  • KieranJ

    It appears the Garda have become an adjunct of the RUC and the British army.

    Shame on the Irish government for allowing this collusion.

  • maybe it was a crashed u.f.o with the explosive devices used as a cover. if the crashed u.f.o really was the case then maybe there’ll be an arms race amongst the various paramilitary groups as to who can back engineer the newly retrieved e.t technology the quickest so as to wreek havoc on their ‘political enemies!’

  • OC

    Was it small arms, or plastique?

  • igor

    Perhaps they were just retrieving it to return it to Libya now we are friends with them

  • Tam

    The UDA are hiding their guns in South Armagh? Wow, recruit that USA character to MI5 as soon as possible!

  • Pete Baker

    Update BBC report

    A 600lb bomb has been made safe by an Army bomb disposal team near Forkhill, County Armagh, on the border with the Republic of Ireland. The device had a command wire running from where it was planted in NI to a firing point across the border.

  • Driftwood

    The PSNI Inspector:
    “It is only through the hard work and professionalism of police officers and their military colleagues that the area has been made safe.”

    Maybe a word of thanks from Conor Murphy to the British Army for keeping his constituents safe?

  • psni are witless

    The PSNI Inspector:
    “It is only through the hard work and professionalism of police officers and their military colleagues that the area has been made safe.”
    Maybe this is the correct wording.
    “It is only through the hard work and professionalism of the military that the area has been made safe.”

  • susan

    The RIRA checkpoints in Meigh and Kingsmill made a point of warning locals to stay clear of both the gards and the PSNI, and now this bomb wired to a firing point across the border in Louth.

    I still have more cousins in that area than I have fingers — yes, I still have all my digits no mishaps in the kitchen lately — and I have to say when I heard the warnings in Meigh involved police both sides the border I assumed they must be planning something either on or for the other side of the border. What their tactical objective is in doing so is though, I can’t begin to fathom. Heinous, doomed, witless or whatever it may be, there is some sort of a strategy at work here and it just might be helpful to have insight into it.

    I am grateful no one was killed or maimed.

  • Politically Sanctioned Non Intervention

    “The remains of the device, which contained fertiliser-based homemade explosives..”

    Why are continually expected to swallow the “fertiliser” of alleged constitutional terrorists in government whilst their so called “dissident” buddies carry on regardless…whilst all the time the PSNI are gradually rendered ineffective-you have to take your hat off…..ballot box and armalite indeed.

  • Jo

    So it wasn’t an arms dump after all…

  • Sean

    Funny how no one is ever guilty of unionist terrorism

    But PIRA owns all nationalist terrorism

  • DC

    ‘Funny how no one is ever guilty of unionist terrorism’ – I thought Louis MountBatten took the battering for that, no?

  • Walter

    Looks like the Army are going to be the thankless heroes again. Good to see them on the ground where it matters. The PSNI cannot handle this by themselves.

  • Sean

    Dc exactly right the answer is NO

  • Politically Sanctioned Non Intervention

    Sean-do you think we’re all taken in by the proposition that elements within SF/IRA have nothing to do with the “dissident” threat? We were told that McGuinness had overstepped the mark when employing the republican trigger word of “traitor”. AFAIK no sanction had been exacted for that supposed “heresy”…..and for the record Armalite and ballot box was never a Unionist policy-all murdering scum, Orange or Green, are exactly that and will remain exactly that-would you not agree?

  • Sean

    The IRA doesn’t exist anymore except in the minds of a few old men, your side wanted it that way. Now what do unemployed gunmen do? they find employment, your side wanted it that way. The IRA is no position to exact sanction on anybody whether former or imaginary members, your side wanted it that way.

    Welcome to the law of unintended consequences, remove thew controls and the results are uncontrolable

    Your side wanted it that way

  • Sean

    Oh and just for the record I believe unionists original policy was Mausers over ballot boxes, as they didnt like the results of free elections and them germans was quite accomodating about armed insurection in war time UK

  • DerTer

    1) Sean, what the hell are you talking about?
    2) I just heard Martin McGuinness on the news asserting that the group that planted this bomb “had no mandate from anyone”. What organisation does that remind you of?

  • King J

    Thank goodness this was discovered. We should not have to endure this type of activity – no other nation would be so “lax” towards these fanatics.

    However , sorry again to those ex-comrades of PSF , you’ll never get a united Ireland my friends, all you and the broader republican joke do is cement the border even more firmly. 40 years of struggle !

  • dunreavynomore

    “The IRA doesn’t exist anymore except in the minds of a few old men, your side wanted it that way” Sean.
    What used to be the IRA does not exist anymore but the problem is that no one has the sole rights to be the IRA and historically when one IRA bowed out another bowed in and so once again we have an IRA, just not the provo IRA.

  • Brian MacAodh

    I was in Tralee last weekend, some 18 year old kid was yelling something about the IRA. He was also of Asian descent.

    Not sure what that was all about. I’m guessing drink was involved.

  • Mark McGreg

    Well at least we know one thing, if we didn’t for sure before, Chris Gaskin’s proclamations on the truth of what really is happening in South Armagh, are turning out to be just plain old uniformed bullshit presented as if fact.

    That’s a big pinch of salt with every future declaration.

  • Fed Up PSNI

    You’re possessed of great certainties Brian…were you in the Abbey at the time?

  • Surprise surprise!

    Ack Mark-have he just worked that out?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Sean: “The IRA doesn’t exist anymore except in the minds of a few old men, your side wanted it that way. Now what do unemployed gunmen do? they find employment, your side wanted it that way. The IRA is no position to exact sanction on anybody whether former or imaginary members, your side wanted it that way.”

    So, are you suggesting it was an “imaginary” bomb? Just a figment of the minds of a few old men?

  • Sean

    No Dread I am saying it wasn’t the IRA, that should be simple enough even for you

  • Pete Baker

    Sean

    Just because it wasn’t your IRA…

  • Jo

    Mark

    If I had a euro for evrytime Ive been told I dont know whats what because I dont live in the area, I’d be rich. Hoist and petard come to mind. But no-one is dead because of any of this, something to be grateful for.

  • “Well at least we know one thing, if we didn’t for sure before, Chris Gaskin’s proclamations on the truth of what really is happening in South Armagh, are turning out to be just plain old uniformed bullshit presented as if fact.”

    Mark

    That was the word locally last night, from talking to a man who lives less than 400 yards away.

    I put my hands up, it wasn’t corrent.

    Stop being so childish

  • Sean

    Pete the great obfuscater

    Yeah I know the alphabet rules but in the space not taken up by your ego the IRA is synonymous with the PIRA infact those of us that exist outside your gravitational pull it takes some research to even find out there are organizations like CIRA or OIRA, but I am sure some where in the dark deluded parts of your psyche you knew this already

  • Specsavers

    Corrent?

  • Driftwood

    Still no ‘Thank You’ press release from MP Conor Murphy to the Army and RAF for saving lives in Forkhill?
    I suppose Brigadier George Norton will not be holding his breath.

  • Jo

    Well, at leas no one was hurt, or worse. This is excatly why PSNI dont rush in at the behest of armchair generals. Nothing to do with resources, nothing to do with undermanning – everything to do with the wiliness of those who still want to kill kill kill. And still they blog.

  • Catch yourself on Mark

    “Well at least we know one thing, if we didn’t for sure before, Chris Gaskin’s proclamations on the truth of what really is happening in South Armagh, are turning out to be just plain old uniformed bullshit presented as if fact.”

    Mark

    That was the word locally last night, from talking to a man who lives less than 400 yards away.

    I put my hands up, it wasn’t corrent.

    Stop being so childish

    Nobody is being childish Chris except perhaps yourself-the proximity of the “man who lives less than 400 yards away” does not guarantee the veracity of his statement to you. You were pretty cast iron certain at the start of this thread about the exact nature of the find. Do you believe everything you are told and peddle it as gospel truth?

  • Politically Sanctioned Non Interference

    …”to even find out there are organizations like CIRA or OIRA..”

    So Sean-explain exactly what comfort decent law abiding citizens are supposed to draw from the feckin prefix these delusional homocidal scum attach to the front of their particular brand of sectarian blood lust? Never mind the cross fertilisation of lunatics within all these “organizations”.

    Would you say that you were representative of the current young republican mind set?

  • fourwinds

    Sean: “infact those of us that exist outside your gravitational pull it takes some research to even find out there are organizations like CIRA or OIRA”

    Sean when you say those who live outside your gravitational pull do you mean those who live outside of Ireland (and Britain)?

    Sadly these organizations have been much in the news over the last few years. Good luck with the research…

  • Sean

    I am not young, a member of a republican party nor even Irish, I am Canadian. I have my own prejudices of this there is no doubt but objectively it could be easily understood by any Canadian or american that nIreland was a biggoted sectarian state and fighting against bigots and supremasists is something we are taught as a matter of course. I would never even attempt to explain some of the actions of the IRA but their goal is, was and will be acceptable to most right thinking people.

    Some unionists on here are attempting to infer that this was some kind of action by PIRA and therefor delegitimizing SF and devolution when it was really the outworking of a system insisted on by unionists. Unionists have always been the best recruiters for republican terrorists

    PIRA had grown too long in the tooth and had too many skeletons to hide, its effectiveness was dwindling with each year. However as someone pointed out there was always a new organization waiting to fill the vaccuum, by suing for peace the english muted the next wave and saved themselves some pain

    psni
    So Sean-explain exactly what comfort decent law abiding citizens are supposed to draw from the feckin prefix these delusional homocidal scum attach to the front of their particular brand of sectarian blood lust? Never mind the cross fertilisation of lunatics within all these “organizations”.

    In the 70’s some of them joined PIRA others less well known organizations, but then with a nom de plume like that I suspect you already knew that

  • Politically Sanctioned Non Investigation

    ..”I am not young, a member of a republican party nor even Irish, I am Canadian. ..”

    Ah well then-that would explain why I thought you sounded a little simplistic and naive. I see you have bought wholeheartedly into the “Holywood” version of Irish history.

    Tell us Sean, what do you know about West Cork around 1922, the PIRA border campaign or have you heard of Kathryn Eakin or Claudy perhaps? Check out Frank Aiken, a loyal lieutenant of De Valera and see what he got up to. I’d also suggest that you look closely, and to borrow a phrase from you, “objectively” at the events leading up to partition and why the border was drawn. Why don’t you come and live here and at least lend the tiniest shred of credibility to your contributions? On second thoughts…..

    Anyways-what part ‘o the oul sod de ye hail from mo chara? (read with John Wayne “Quiet Man” accent)

  • Sean

    psni

    I do my own thinking thanks, 5 years ago I didn’t have an opinion about nIreland infact I was only vaguely aware of anything happening there.

    What has hardened my opinion against unionism is infact exposure to unionists and their hypocracy, your hypocracy for one.

    I have never seen anyone on this or any other blog claim that the shooting or bombing of innocents by the IRA or any other republican group was justified, yet on this site we have unionists justifying the murder of children because the army was not liked. Boo hoo for the army lets go shoot some people in the back.

    But if you want to do historical misdeeds I am sure there are those on here that do chapter and verse from Cromwell to the famine to Paisley and you will not come out ahead

    The border was drawn because there was a vote taken and your lot didn’t like the result so they terrorized the english into surrendering democracy to bigots. More shame on the both of you

    Anyways-what part ‘o the oul sod de ye hail from mo chara? (read with John Wayne “Quiet Man” accent)

    Never met anyone in ulster that could do John Wayne, you must be special

  • fourwinds

    Sean it seems you are still only vaguely aware of anything happening in N. Ireland. Why don’t you read and try to learn instead of spouting your own simplistic opinions?

    Sorry about playing the man but wasn’t this thread about a 600lb bomb near Forkhill?
    This is interesting and important and it’s a shame to be sidetracked once again by a poster who has nothing to contribute.

  • Sean

    Fourwinds

    Feel free to take a shot any time you want, I am strong enough to withstand your withering onslaught

    I would never claim to know everything about your little patch of sod, but the hypocracy of unionism is always on full display and is quickly and easily discerned

    As for the derailing of the thread it wasn’t done by me I just corrected some one when they tried to insuate that PIRA and by extension SF were some how responsible for this weapon

  • Politically Sanctioned Non Implication

    Sean,

    To return to the subject in hand;

    1. My “side” that you refer to, is the side of democratically accountable, freely elected, mandated politics. Along with about 99% of the inhabitants of these islands.

    2. I despise ALL non elected, unmandated, unrepresentative murdering thugs,whatever banner or idiotic triple letter abbreviation they mistakenly labour under.

    3. Naive, proganda susceptible, several generations removed individuals, domiciled in North America contributed to the funding of a campaign of terror here for decades. Only when experiencing the full frontal assault of brave “freedom fighters” did it become apparent that supporting terrorism was maybe not such a clever idea. Contributions, of whatever nature, from >3000+ miles away tend to ring a little hollow here.

    4. Whichever “IRA” planted the bomb in Forkhill is of little relevance to the likes of me and my fellow travellers-see point 1. What is of concern is that this kind of thing is still going on and not only continuing but is being facilitated in its perpetuation by the application of the “Armalite and ballot box” approach, albeit apparently unconnected, still however a reality. Remember Sean, we actually live here.

    5. These people are nasty bigots-despite this you appear to endorse “the means justifies the end.” Lets leave the outcome to democracy and the actual electorate. We really don’t need any more transatlatic cheerleading.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    P.S.N.I.: “5. These people are nasty bigots-despite this you appear to endorse “the means justifies the end.” Lets leave the outcome to democracy and the actual electorate. We really don’t need any more transatlatic cheerleading. ”

    Especially when there are separatist movements in his end of the world to cheer for… although the Quibs have been quiescent of late.

    And, Sean, lad, the thing you don’t understand is that the bomb is mostly apolitical — it doesn’t care which alphabet-soup gang sets it off. That said, it is the height of “hypocracy” for Republicans to wheeze that the “war is over” when their fellow-travelers are setting bombs in the quarter ton range, manning roadblocks with AK’s and RPGS and killing the odd cop and soldier from time to time, especially given their obstructionist stance toward law enforcement and their celebration of the closure of police stations and the like.

    If one wishes not to deal with “hypocracy,” perhaps one shouldn’t root for “hypocrates.”

  • Politically Sanctioned Non Investigation

    6. …..especially from people with a whole 5 years worth of “experience”….

  • Big Maggie

    Sean is perfectly justified in calling attention to Unionist hypocrisy. There’s an awful lot of it about. Why, only today we had a couple of Unionists on Slugger (Turgon and two others) who blatted on about Republican terrorism, yet were unable to see that the actions of the paras on Bloody Sunday were acts of terrorism.

    And that’s leaving aside actual Unionist terrorism.

    Either condemn it all or say nothing. Seeing evil on one side only leaves you open to Sean’s charges.

  • Bob

    Maggie-get with the programme. Unionists don’t appear to be:

    1. Murdering policemen

    2. Murdering soldiers

    3. Laying 600lb bombs and targetting yet more policemen and innocent civilians.

    Where in this thread have you read a solely one sided condemnation of terrorism?

    Do you unreservedly condemn the planting of this bomb in Forkhill? A yes or no response will do.

    Sean is merely ignorant-you on the other hand are being your usual disengenious self.

  • Big Maggie

    Bob,

    “Maggie-get with the programme.”

    If you’re going to use pseudo-Americanisms then at least spell it as “program”. Otherwise it’s something from TV :^)

    “Where in this thread have you read a solely one sided condemnation of terrorism?”

    I haven’t. Have you? Did you miss my allusion to Turgon’s thread?

    “Do you unreservedly condemn the planting of this bomb in Forkhill? A yes or no response will do.

    Yes, I do. Do you know who planted it?

    “Sean is merely ignorant”

    I don’t think so. He belongs to the vast international community outside this tiny speck of a province. Ulster Unionism isn’t well liked there. It’s seen in a light similar to that emitted by the apartheiders of South Africa and other enthusiasts of single-party misrule. You ought to listen to Sean and perhaps pick up some pointers for improvement—even if that is only on a PR level.

    “-you on the other hand are being your usual disengenious self.”

    My hubby thinks I’m pretty ingenious with the leftovers. Not sure he’d agree with your charge of my being “disengenious”, whatever that means :^)

  • Sean

    psni
    1 there never was an elected mandate to set up nIreland it was set up by unmandated self appointed thugs

    2 See above and welcome to you the side that dislikes the uup and the ruc and the udr being tripple abreviated murdering thugs

    3 so it is acceptable that I accept the same propaganda as you do if I lived next door? or am I allowed to form my own opionions but only if I live next door

    4 Violent overthrow of the government is the mandate of unionists so I hardly see as you have any position to lecture me from

    5 nIreland has never been a true democracy since its false set up to its eventual demise

    Dread completely diengenous of you the quibs as you call them are being quiet because the question has been settled and they don’t like the terms. Canada is being run by the west now and the concensus in the west is that if Quebec wants to go then good bye and good luck. They are not fond of those terms

    As for the most recent bomb obvious not too many fellow travelers with these idiots or it wouldnt have been found so easily

    Republicans = hypocrates, yeah a small amount, aren’t we all though. But the are hands aren’t dirty hypocracy of unionists is a lot more galling

  • Sean

    bob

    so unionist terrorists never killed soldiers, policemen or planted bombs? What planet are you from?

  • Bob

    Maggie,

    I’m a merchant seaman (we tend to absorb all manner of phraseology :-))-I would say that over a career that has spanned 25 years so far and having worked with umpteen varieties of humanity representing the “International Community” I have never been on the receiving end of any adverse comment regarding my political views. I think you overstate the wider worlds concern or indeed awareness of Northern Ireland.

    Your comparison of all Unionists with those responsible for the apartheid regime in SA is a little tired and worn and a huge sweeping generalisation-In fact is not a little bit bigoted in a lazy and rather superior way to dismiss an entire group of people in such a manner? You sound vaguely totalitarian under the warm domestic imagery…..poor hubby ;-)!-you WILL have leftovers for tea!!

    Personally I have no interest in a persons provenance nor political opinions-as long as they are expressed and pursued in a peaceful manner. What I do have a problem with are the actions of the people who perpetrated the topic of this thread (not sure of the relevance of Turgon et al and thier comments on a completely different discussion or any “allusions” to boot) and the murderous intent of their actions. I thought the responses to Sean above for instance were quite clear in their equal condemnation of all violence and I’d agree in the main with their sentiments. Sean is entitled to his opinion. The value of that opinion and commentary will be judged by those observing. But well done anyway Maggie for stepping in-I know you’d never leave a man behind.

    Please excuse the typos by the way-not on a keyboard. I have to say those that feel compelled to “correct” others in the manner you seem to excel in, nay positively enjoy says more about the corrector rather than the correctee…..;-) A buxom corrector-now there’s a thought for a long night watch…..

  • PSNI

    Sean- I defer to your quite crushing force of reason-please accept my unreserved and unqualified apologies for having the temerity of offering the completely unreasonable contention that:

    1. All violence is bad
    2. Democracy is good
    3. Suggesting that as a native of Northern Ireland I may have a greater understanding of the situation than say somebody who lives in Canada and has been following our unfortunate predicamentfor 5 whole years.

    I will be forever distressed that you do not in fact live or vote here.

  • Big Maggie

    Sean,

    “so unionist terrorists never killed soldiers, policemen or planted bombs?”

    Whoops. Not nice. You’re dismaying so many Unionists here.

    You must appreciate that according to the received narrative, there are absolutely, positively, fuck you for even suggesting it you Taig bastard no Unionist terrorists. Sure, there are “Loyalists” but apparently they bear no resemblance to Unionists.

    (I queried this distinction some time ago on Slugger and was unable to receive any elucidation from Unionist commentators.)

    So when Unionists wish to behave badly they place the blame on “Loyalists”. I believe such tactics are called a “flag of convenience” strategy, but I could be wrong.

  • Big Maggie

    Bob,

    “I think you overstate the wider worlds concern or indeed awareness of Northern Ireland.”

    I do not. Sinn Féin for example have an incredible support world-wide. Ulster Unionism does not.

    People the world over are savvy to such things as tribal discrimination. Get over it, change it, try to live peacefully with your neighbours.

    Life is way too short.

  • Bob

    Sean-what the peeler said. We’re discussing the present by the way-feel free to arrive in your own time-if you could keep your pearls of wisdom to yourself in the meantime we’ll wait here for you.

    Wow-Maggie you need to sort that out. Do you want a hand with that hole?

  • Big Maggie

    Bob,

    “Wow-Maggie you need to sort that out. Do you want a hand with that hole?”

    What on earth are you on about? Are you sure you’re commenting on the same thread/blog as I?

  • Sean

    psni

    what you state are contentions aren’t really your contentions

    1. All violence is bad / all violence is not bad, self defence can be quite necesary

    2. Democracy is good/ true but nIreland was never about democracy, so good yes relevant no

    3. Suggesting that as a native of Northern Ireland I may have a greater understanding of the situation than say somebody who lives in Canada and has been following our unfortunate predicamentfor 5 whole years. / yeah because the fundamentals are so beyond the pail that no one could ever grasp them.

    Is my take simplistic, yeah a little bit if life and work have taught me any thing its that some people like complicated and some people hide behind complicated but if you want to be out front simplify, simplify, simplify.

  • Bob

    Maggie- I am fully aware of my current position on the four score and ten and will be voting in the next election and encourage all to do likewise. I assume your advice on tribalism also holds good for Forkhill “boys”?

    Good night.

  • Sean

    Bob

    the present time define it for me? Last week, last month, last year, last decade or last century?

    You know them unionist terorist havent been sitting at home crocheting doilies?

  • Big Maggie

    I know this is a lot to ask, but can a sober blogger/commenter please explain Bob’s last comment for me?

    I’m genuinely lost. At the same time I’m cognizant of the fact that he might have been making sense.

  • barnshee

    “so unionist terrorists never killed soldiers, policemen or planted bombs?”

    Sigh— its a class think

    Unionists
    The garden centre middle class prod has never got involved except to turn up sporadically to vote the only time s/he will shake him/herself is for a border poll

    Look at the calibre (no pun intended) and the sheer numbers of those locked up on the prod side–not to mention . You do not see a swath of Phd etc arising from their period of incarceration. Involvement is sadly “working class” if you will forgive the label. Thus loyalist

    The garden centre lot will not get involved unless they feel they have to. If/When that time comes I have no doubt they will be as “bad” or worse than their working class coreligionists

  • Big Maggie

    Barnshee,

    Thanks for that. But it still doesn’t explain for me the difference between Unionists and Loyalists.

    Where is the line drawn, and who draws it? To repeat: is “Loyalism” simply a flag of convenience for Unionists bent on terrorism?

  • Sean

    Maggie

    He explained it perfectly

    Loyalist poor working class cannon fodder

    Unionist middle class pretentious “it wasn’t us!” non voters

    Because as you can see there is a chasm between them loyalists should in no way be refered to as unionist terrorists, atleast in unionist books

  • dunreavynomore

    “I know this is a lot to ask, but can a sober blogger/commenter please explain Bob’s last comment for me?” Big Maggie.

    I’ve heard they exist Maggie but I’ve heard that about the yeti too.

  • borderline

    Sean,

    do us all a favour and go read a lot more books. Then move here. Then read some more. Then think about posting.

    Some of us (go check) flagged this up a couple of years ago. South Armagh, and other districts to a lesser extent, are on the wrong side of the Border. Finchley they are not; and conquered they will not be.

    Now the same, or opposite, is true of north Derry, east Antrim and north Down.

    This is where we are. Ireland is not at peace.

  • John East Belfast

    Big Maggie

    “Where is the line drawn, and who draws it? To repeat: is “Loyalism” simply a flag of convenience for Unionists bent on terrorism? ”

    You either dont live here either or are about 10 years old to post line like that.

    Loyalism is to Republicanism as Unionism is to Nationalism.
    Nobody ever talks about Militant Irish Nationalism for instance.

    Loyalism tends to apply to such paramilitaries as UVF, UDA, RHC etc and their supporters – almost exclusively based in Protestant working class areas.

    If you drew some Venn diagrams you would get some overlap of course with the political force known as unionism – but not exclusively so – many loyalists are actually Independant Northern Irish nationalists. Also many working class Protestants vehemently oppose paramilitaries in their midst.

    But if you so want to swap loyalism with unionism you would be better to swap it with Protestantism into whose Venn Diagram they would most likley fall. However if you started talking about Protestant terrorism then people would laugh at you in the way they would laugh if the Real IRA were called Catholic Terrorists.

    In other words anyone from these parts with a titter of wit – and who would dare to post on a political web site such as this – knows the difference between a loyalist, unionist, republican and nationalist.

  • Sean

    Borderline then how can you claim its a democracy?

    JEB fig leafs to cover the blushes

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Big Maggie: “Sean is perfectly justified in calling attention to Unionist hypocrisy.”

    Even if he can’t spell it…

    Sean: “hypocrates, yeah a small amount, aren’t we all though. But the are hands aren’t dirty hypocracy of unionists is a lot more galling ”

    First of all, Sean, the words in “hypocrites” and “hypocrisy.”

    Secondly, your second sentence needs either a few more words or at least a little more coherency. Republicans are no better than Unionists in the hypocrisy department — they just got to tell different lies. They pretended they were soldiers, instead of punks with assault rifles. They pretended not to deal in drugs whilst they were using drugs as an exchange commodity, in lieu of payment in legal tender. They pretended dropping off a bomb in pub was an “act of war” instead of an act of cowardice.

    The Unionists, on the other hand, simply found someone else to do their fighting. Sure, they were hypocrites — they made back-door deals with the Loyalists and pretended that they had nothing to do with the dogs in the streets. But, given the opposition, what did you expect the garden-center habitues to do? They did what any rational individual would do — the found hard men to do their fighting and pretended they had nothing to do with the unpleasantness, even if their “solution” proved to be at least as bad as the problem it was meant to solve.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    barnshee: “Look at the calibre (no pun intended) and the sheer numbers of those locked up on the prod side—not to mention . You do not see a swath of Phd etc arising from their period of incarceration. Involvement is sadly “working class” if you will forgive the label. Thus loyalist”

    Or, non-working class, if you prefer…

    What was the old rhubarb? Send a republican to prison and he’ll come out with another degree… send a Loyalist away for the same term, all he’ll get is another tattoo.

  • ed

    Dread

    Last bastion of the inefensable, go for the spelling lol

  • Dave

    “What was the old rhubarb? Send a republican to prison and he’ll come out with another degree… send a Loyalist away for the same term, all he’ll get is another tattoo.” – Dread Cthulhu

    It would be interesting to know how many members of the nationalist murder gangs acquired Open University degrees compared to members of the loyalist murder gangs, but it’s probably the nationalist murder gangs who put that propaganda out there to dehumanize the members of the loyalist murder gangs while romanticising the members of the nationalist murder gangs.

    Billy Hutchison and the late David Irvine, for example, both began studying for their respective OU degrees while in prison, as did a litany of other loyalists.

  • Big Maggie

    John EB,

    “However if you started talking about Protestant terrorism then people would laugh at you in the way they would laugh if the Real IRA were called Catholic Terrorists.”

    True. They’re called Roman Catholic Terrorists. (Unionists seldom use three syllables where five will suffice.)

    And few are laughing.

  • John East Belfast

    Big Maggie

    So what point are you making as you google through “Catholic Terrorist” for a snippet ?

    Do you want to use the same kind of bigoted language as the obnoxious UDA ?

    Wise up

  • Big Maggie=truth

    JEB mucker, your wasting your time. Did you not know that Maggie “represents” not only herself but all non Unionists and reserves the right at all times to be right?

    All those of a differing viewpoint must at no make the very silly mistake of actually voicing it. It is also wise not to even think about condemning ALL violence if you are not exactly aligned with the self righteous ACCEPTED TRUTH (and fuck anybody who dare contradict me) of the Republican/Nationalist NARRATIVE (2009 Maggie revision). And for God’s sake DO NOT make any spelling mistakes.

  • Big Maggie

    “And for God’s sake DO NOT make any spelling mistakes.”

    Yes, otherwise you’ll have Dread Cthulhu to answer to.

    (He may even pull me up about ending that sentence with a prep.)

  • Reader

    Big Maggie: Yes, otherwise you’ll have Dread Cthulhu to answer to.
    Are you denying this bit of sparkling wit from the previous page?
    ‘Not sure he’d agree with your charge of my being “disengenious”, whatever that means.’

  • dunreavynomore

    “First of all, Sean, the words in “hypocrites” and “hypocrisy. Dread Ct…

    Dread, surely ‘in’ is the wrong word in that context and if you meant ‘is’ that would have been wrong also.

  • Big Maggie

    Reader,

    Glad you appreciate my sparkling wit. Know you that I’ll only comment on somebody’s erroneous spelling when it’s unintentionally funny, as above, or when that person has unkindly commented on another’s typos/errors.

    Dread Cthulhu on the other hand corrects without apparent wit.

  • Another reader

    Maggie-were you popular at school? You really are quite loathsome when you hector others in your “witty” way. Your “correcting” is done in a snide and quite sneering fashion. I apologise for playing the “man” but you really need to be confronted about this.

    I’m having difficulty trying to recall any of your posts recently that have actually been constructive or not consisting of an almost incoherent rage at “themmuns” or at anyone you do not consider an “ally”. Take your superior and tired, myopic attitude elsewhere.

  • Big Maggie

    Another reader,

    If you’re Mick Fealty sock-puppeteering then my apologies, Mick, and I’ll go if you want me to.

    If you’re not then you may wish to be constructive yourself, read my comments a little more closely, and try to be less angry and more respectful.