“It’s going to run and run…”

At The Cedar Lounge Revolution, WorldbyStorm has been watching the Seán Russell statue

It’s not that the Nazi connection isn’t problematic, but in the context of the narrowness and arguably insularity of the strand of Republicanism that Russell came from it’s hardly unexpected that he would have had no grasp of the larger picture that his actions could be seen within. That’s not much of an excuse, though.

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  • Dewi

    Tribute from Willie Gallacher Still not found a statue though…

  • Dewi

    And Robeson that’s a bit sickening – Robeson one of my heroes.

  • DoctorWho

    greenflag

    “294 posts on the Russell Statue :(.

    jayzuz wept .”

    Yes and many of them in defense of the only memorial in Europe to a Nazi collaborator. It speaks volumes don´t you think.

  • Greenflag

    RS & Dewi

    And there’s a Roundhead Row in Dublin named after the ‘puritan ‘ army . It got it’s present name from the Corporation in 1876 . It was an ‘improvement ‘ on it’s previous name Cut-throat lane 🙂

    The nearby Cromwell’s Quarter’s was also renamed by the Corpo in 1876 . It was known previously by the unwelcoming name of Murdering Lane .

    I’m beginning to think those 19th century Dublin City Councillors had a sense of humour disguised as something else or was it something else disguised as a sense of humour ?

    Cromwell did stop over in Dublin with a large garrison in 1649 . He lodged at the corner of Werburgh St & Castle St in the shadow of Dublin Castle and Christchurch . In the old days people used to bless themselves turnning that corner believing that each time they did the spit with Cromwell’s corpse on it was dropped a few inches closer to the satanic flames .

    But we’ve mostly advanced since those days . Now some people turn out to worship a tree stump and some of Cromwell’s descendants believe the world is only 6,000 years old and the intelligent designer is preparing a new armageddon for another
    redesigning 🙁

    Can’t be much of a designer eh with all those errors .

  • Dev

    Wow 304 posts and counting, I think Pete may have found a topic more comment-worthy than football or Derry/Londonderry .. maybe we should erect a staue in his honour!

  • Greenflag

    dewi ,

    Robeson one of my heroes.

    Mine too 🙂 Don’t be too harsh on the man or on Willie Gallacher. George Bernard Shaw on a visit to Stalin’s ‘paradise’ also commented that ‘communism ‘ was the future of the world .

    And then you had the Moseley’s and British Fascists who thought Hitler was worth aping 🙁 We had our own blueshirts who were in retrospect more of a danger to Irish Democracy than Russell and his boyos ever could have been .

  • John East Belfast

    Greenflag

    “The very fact that Northern Ireland had to have mandatory power sharing forced down it’s throat by the gun and by imposition from the British and American Governments tells anyone who wants to know on which side of the irish border the ‘real’intolerance was and is to be found.”

    Stop talking as if a mandatory Power sharing coalition is the norm for modern democracies and the majority unionist community are intolerant for not suggesting it from the outset.

    As for

    “quasi fascist one party unionist rule in NI 1920 -1972”

    and

    “We all know that the Israelis , the British Unionists of NI and those other ‘self chosen ’ people – the Ayatollahs of Iran , the brain washed peons of North Korea are all paragons of tolerance , religious freedom and possess such high standards of democracy that they put the Irish Republic to shame ;)? ”

    all I can say is this thread is not bringing out the best in you

  • Dewi

    No statues and the best I can find is the fairly pathetic Durham Miners Hall
    “Among the treasures is a letter signed by Joseph Stalin”

  • Greenflag

    Doctor Who,

    ‘It speaks volumes don´t you think’

    Nah . Apart from this thread I wouldnt think so . Of course if you are into worshipping statues which you well may be I can see you might have a point, but as a non statue worshipper I don’t care one way or the other . Mind you I deplore acts of vandalism graffiti being sprayed on public buildings and statues . And I still deplore the mindless destruction of Nelson’s Pillar and Gough’s statue . I can understand it being politically ’embarassing ‘ to have oul Horatio looking down on Easter Rebellion commemorations . Still they could have removed him to the Phoenix Park up there beside Grouchy ( Wellington ). On the other hand many if not most Dubliners would have preferred to lave Nelson where he was . At least we’d still have a centre point in the city instead of the souless Stiffy near the Liffey 🙁

  • Greenflag

    JEB ,

    ‘Stop talking as if a mandatory Power sharing coalition is the norm for modern democracies’

    I did’nt say it was the norm for modern democracies but it is all that is possible for NI at the present time and for the future given NI’s history of ‘self government ‘ 1920 -1972.

    ‘all I can say is this thread is not bringing out the best in you’

    You have a point 😉 But then you should’nt expect too much from a thread on a statue of a very minor figure in traditional pre 1960’s irish republicanism except perhaps a lot of hot air !

  • PaddyReilly

    If you search Google Books for “Why Didn’t the Press Shout” by Robert Moses Shapiro, you can read the following interesting facts:-

    1) There were at least 5 Jews among the 119 founders of the Italian Fascist Party.

    2) 229 Jews were awarded a certificate for participating in the March on Rome, the Italian Fascist equivalent of the Easter Rising.

    3) One third of Italian Jewish adults were members of the Italian Fascist Party.

    4) They had their own Jewish Fascist magazine until 1938, when Mussolini allied with Hitler.

    So one might ask, if Jews could be part of the Fascist movement right up till 1938, is it so wrong for a couple of Paddies to flirt with that side up until 1940?

  • Greenflag

    paddy reilly,

    ‘is it so wrong for a couple of Paddies to flirt with that side up until 1940?’

    A couple ? I believe there were several thousand blueshirts in the 1930’s and an even larger number of blackshirts in England .

    With the large scale transfer of political power to global business corporations what we are seeing is a revival of corporate ‘fascism’ under the guise of neo conservative radicalism . All that’s missing is the shirt colour and a natty symbol , and of course that extra special charismatic leader /fuhrer/duce etc 🙁

    The reason why Italian Jews joined the fascist party was for the same reason many non jewish Italians did and still do today. They wanted the trains to run on time and an end to corruption 😉 and they wanted their African Empire back .

  • PaddyReilly

    As I have previously pointed out there were many political fashions current in the 20s and 30s which were taken up by numerous parties, without this being really significant.

    These were, wearing shirts of the same colour; arm-bands and flags which bore a particular archaic ethnic symbol; raising your right hand in the air as a salute; goose-stepping, having a paramount leader and calling him by a special name, such as Duce, Caudillo, Taoiseach, Führer, Vozhd; having him give speeches in a particular haranging manner. To some extent Communists and Fascists copied one another in these matters.

    The leader as author of a particular book which his misfortunate followers will be obliged to parrot has carried on, Mein Kampf being an early exemplar, Mao tse-tung’s Red Book and Ghaddafi’s Green one appearing in our lifetime.

    Military organisation has always been very plagiaristic, the English adopting wholesale French fashions and terminology, while steadfastly continuing to hate the French.

    All these things are out of fashion today, and it may be that Neo-Cons are the true ideological heirs, I haven’t studied them sufficiently to say. But the idea of encouraging popular involvement in confrontational politics by the above methods seems to have disappeared. Maybe the Twitter flame and the flashmob are the methods of the future.

    The Italians were not pressing for their Italian colonies back in the period between the wars: that was the Germans. The Italians had never lost them, as they were on the Allied side in World War I.

    Reading the literature, I can see that the British failure to keep the Italians on their side was the diplomatic disaster of the 30s. Alliances have to be constructed and maintained by judicious acts of bribery. The Churchillian idea that you can just order countries like Ireland to be on your side is no substitute.

  • RepublicanStones

    Very interesting Paddy. Indeed some jews also had dealings with none other than the Gestapo.

    ” In 1938 a thirty-one-nation conference was held in Evian, France, on resettlement of the victims of Nazism. The World Zionist Organistaion refused to participate, fearing that resettlement of Jews in other states would reduce the number available for Palestine. The German Zionist Organisation, in its negotiations with Germany to secure emigration of Jews, maneuvered to get the Gestapo to force Jews emigrating from Germany to go to Palestine.”
    (Case For Palestine – Quigley p26)

    It seems that is grand for some ideologies to have memebers co-operate with baddies to further their own ends, but not those darned pesky irish savages.

  • Brit

    Sad to see that this discussion has strayed into some anti-semitic tropes.

    Greenflag talks of the self-chosen Israelis. Paddy says the Jews must have brought it on themselves and are always looking at what is in the interest of Jews.

    Finally RS quotes the old line about Zionist collaboration with Nazism. A very misleading and distorted presentation of the historical reality – either ignorant or, worse still, deliberately dishonest. I suspect the latter with an unthinking quote from some anti-zionist propaganda book.

    The Mussolini Italian Fascists were never serious anti-semites (although the modern versions seem to be).

    I am not a Neo-Con but my understanding is that their philosophy is based on a strong liberal commitment to democracy and liberty, along side moderate social conservatism and a laissez faire economy. That is totally at odds with fascism.

    For the avoidance of doubt I do not suggest that any of you are anti-semites of the Jew-hating / baiting far Right / Islamist flavour. But racism can take the form of unintentional modes of thinking, uses of language and myths.

  • Dewi

    It might be worth getting a vox pop from those who had relatives who fought / lived through the war of how much they knew of the Jewish persecution.

    My grandfather was totally shocked – he knew of the persecution but had no idea of the concentration / murder camps. He had mates who liberated Dachau – they just shot any guards they could find.

  • RepublicanStones

    Unfortunately not Brit and its sad to see your childish attempt to portray people who merely relay historical fact as anti-semitic. Lets remember you are the guy who refused to ‘accept’ facts because they rubbished your own thesis. And yet again say a fact is not a fact. What a lovely world you live in. You seem to think that jews are not human. That because someone is jewish, he/she is incapable of wrongdoing or mistakes. Either that or you fear the label of ‘anti-semite’ so much that you deny the truth. As for myself, I view jews as humans, capable of right and wrong, capable of all the emotions and desires the rest of humanity are capable off. Perhaps you think otherwise.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘I suspect the latter with an unthinking quote from some anti-zionist propaganda book.’

    Apart from that being a ridiculously childish attempt at rebuttal concerneing a book you’ve never even read, I wonder if you could tell me what on earth is wrong with being anti-zionist?

  • PaddyReilly

    Queen Elizabeth Tudor, finding she could get nowhere with the French, realised that it it made diplomatic sense to appeal to her supposed arch-enemies, the Spanish, which she did using the following words from the Aeneid: Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo
    “If I cannot influence Heaven, I will move Hell.”

    That is the essence of diplomacy, and if Churchill did it, I don’t see why the Irish can’t try it; equally the Zionists and Israelis resorted to it when they felt like it.

    Paddy says the Jews must have brought it on themselves and are always looking at what is in the interest of Jews.

    I did say that “Is it good for the Jews” is common Jewish reaction to any situation, but this insight has been remarked on before by so many Jewish commentators that I cannot lay claim to it myself, neither can you impute it to anti-semiticism.

    ‘Must have brought it on themselves’ seems a bit of a distortion, but it is true that a lot of people have the impression that the Jews are the only exception to the laws of karma.

    Generally, if you belong to a particular grouping, you will end up paying for the actions of that grouping. The Germans ended up the war being bombed to extinction in Dresden, ethnically cleansed from Vorpommern, Schlesien and the Sudetenland, raped half to death in the Soviet occupied zone, and impoverished throughout.

    Obviously, these misfortunes were brought upon individual Germans as the result of the actions of the German people as a whole, but it seems hard to understand why those in the West had the easier time of it.

    Equally, it is difficult to understand why the generation of Jews alive before 1945 had it so hard. However, the sufferings of the Jews, or rather the Israelis since 1945, the awful pain that was visited on them by not having their Head of State’s decease commemorated by Éamonn De Valera, are by and large, the result of the actions of the Israelis.

    You, on the other hand, perpetrate the idea that Jews have suffered persecution for “thousands of years”. This idea stems from the fact that Jews love writing books detailing the sufferings of Jews in distant ages and climes, but they do not like writing books detailing the unwise and unethical actions of Jews in such ages and places. As a result, they soon come to the conclusion that they are eternal victims, when they are no such thing.

    I have already asserted that we are each to be judged by our own actions, and not by the collective actions of those whose side we are on, or our ethnic grouping, religion or star-sign.

    Similarly, the amount of victimhood we can lay claim to is retricted to our own experience and our own lifetime. We do not inherit victimhood from people of the same religion as us who lived hundreds of years ago. So, in the cold light of day, we can see that the Jews of today are no victims, except by virtue of their own actions.

    Even if you have a whole wall of bookshelves full of books on the sufferings of the Jews, this does not justify you in going out and stealing one foot of land from a Gentile.

    If a person acts from venegeance, suffering will follow him like the cart that follows the ox. “He cursed me, he struck me, he overpowered me, he robbed me.” Those who think such thoughts do not dispel their bad karma. Bad karma is never dispelled by bad karma in this world. Only by good karma.

  • Wilde Rover

    RepublicanStones,

    “I wonder if you could tell me what on earth is wrong with being anti-zionist?”

    I find the hostility towards Israel confusing.

    The principles of Zionism are entirely consistent with the principles of militant republicanism.

    For example, the population realignment in Jerusalem causes consternation, but there used to be a place called Londonderry, whereas now there is only Derry (admittedly there are those quaint types who like to use Londonderry. They probably holiday in Leningrad and Constantinople). This kind of peaceful relocation is entirely consistent with what is happening in Israel.

    There are twenty two Arab states for any of these so-called Palestinians to live in. Is the position held by Zionists so unreasonable considering there is only one Zionist State? Likewise, there are three British states – England, Scotland and Wales – for those who cannot adjust to the future realities of the reunification of the national territory in Ireland. If some people don’t like it then they are free to leave. However, if they intend staying then they should make sure they show sufficient loyalty to the republic and cast off any of their former delusions of “Britishness”

    In conclusion, I look forward to good relations between a Greater Israel and a United Ireland.

    Doubtless, there are unionists out there who are against the ideals of militant republicanism but they must accept that they are nothing better than fellow travelers of the legions of anti-Semitism.

    Shalom. Our day will come.

  • RepublicanStones

    Wilde I fail to see how zionism equates to republicanism. Even militant republicanism. Zionism in case you didn’t know is a colonial/settler ideology. I have yet to hear of the aim of republicanism which wants to transplant non-indigenous people into any part of Ireland.

    ‘This kind of peaceful relocation is entirely consistent with what is happening in Israel.’

    If you think the plaestinians have been replaced peacefully you are sadly deluded.

    ‘There are twenty two Arab states for any of these so-called Palestinians to live in. ‘

    Racist much? I truly have to shake my head at someone who thinks an arab is an arab is an arab. So you seem to think that ethnic cleasning should is fine just so long as the victims can be accomadated elsewhere? Where on earth do you get this morally devoid logic from.

    ‘Is the position held by Zionists so unreasonable considering there is only one Zionist State?’

    I take it you were a South Africa fan during the apartheid era. There was only one of it too. Zionism whilst not only contradicting the Torah, has only served to increase anti-semitism, not reduced it, as jewish academics have written themselves. Furthermore zionism was envisaged long before the horrors of the holocaust, so that is no excuse for the ideology. Two wrongs do not make a right. As gahndi said, the jews of the world had states, a french jew was a frenchman. An English Jew an englishman. Going by the logic of zionism the way which we should deal with homophobia or racism against coloured people is to ship off to a little spot of their own in the world. Utterly ridiculous. This was mentioned earlier in this thread but you must have missed it.

    ‘if they intend staying then they should make sure they show sufficient loyalty to the republic and cast off any of their former delusions of “Britishness”’

    Why on earth should they cast off their british identity. The italian americans for example, whilst living in the USA are proud of and regularly display their attachment to their motherland.

    ‘In conclusion, I look forward to good relations between a Greater Israel and a United Ireland.’

    I look forward to a bi-national Palestine/Israel, or a 50/50 split of mandate palestine between the two. The mere 22% dangled infront of the palestinians is an affront. Dreaming perhaps. But your greater Israel seeks to perpetuate the crime it is already guilty off. I take it you are a fan of the likes of Kach, Shas and Gush Emunim.

    ‘Doubtless, there are unionists out there who are against the ideals of militant republicanism but they must accept that they are nothing better than fellow travelers of the legions of anti-Semitism.’

    Here Wilde, your logic really falls to pieces. Anti-semitism is concerning a religious sect (actually it can also encompass anti-palestinianism se=ince they are a semitic people to), one which people cannot choose wether or not they are born into it. It is a sickening trait. Furthermore you ignore many supporters of zionism would be anti-semitic, as jewish academics have written about. Also dispensationalism doesn’t envisage a nice end for our jewish brethern. To equate anti-semitism with anti-republicanism is ridiculous.

    ‘Shalom. Our day will come. ‘

    I fail to see the linkage between a rebel cry and the word hello/peace. Perhaps you could elaborate.

  • Wilde Rover

    RepublicanStones,

    “Wilde I fail to see how zionism equates to republicanism.”

    I have gathered that.

    “have yet to hear of the aim of republicanism which wants to transplant non-indigenous people into any part of Ireland.”

    Don’t get hung up on the minor details.

    “If you think the plaestinians have been replaced peacefully you are sadly deluded.”

    Peace is a relative term.

    “Racist much?”

    Not really, but if it pleases you.

    “So you seem to think that ethnic cleasning should is fine just so long as the victims can be accomadated elsewhere?”

    It is preferable to some of the alternatives.

    “Where on earth do you get this morally devoid logic from.”

    I suppose it comes from my upbringing, which involved those involved with the creation of the southern state and those who thought that the project was incomplete. Making states is not a pretty affair, despite what all the maudlin songs might tell you.

    “I take it you were a South Africa fan during the apartheid era.”

    I am a big fan of the Boer people. I am not entirely sure there would even be a southern state without them.

    “As gahndi said, the jews of the world had states, a french jew was a frenchman.”

    And an Irish Catholic was British. I have listened to such lines of logic before.

    “Why on earth should they cast off their british identity.”

    Shit or get off the pot.

    “I look forward to a bi-national Palestine/Israel, or a 50/50 split of mandate palestine between the two.”

    Dream on.

    “But your greater Israel seeks to perpetuate the crime it is already guilty off.”

    In for a penny, in for a pound.

    “I fail to see the linkage between a rebel cry and the word hello/peace. Perhaps you could elaborate.”

    It means that our day will come in a peaceful manner. The weight of history is too great, on both counts.

    If you stand back and really look at it, the similarities between the two people are clear.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Don’t get hung up on the minor details.’

    You made the silly equation its up to you TO provide details for it.

    ‘Peace is a relative term.’

    I suppose you’d expect someone ethnically cleansed to accept what YOU say.

    ‘Not really, but if it pleases you.’

    Well if you’re not racist please tell me where you get your logic which says indigenous people should remove themselves for settlers.

    ‘And an Irish Catholic was British. I have listened to such lines of logic before’

    Sorry but to equate that to Ghandis statement which predated the state of Israel is utter nonsense. Nevermind the fact you wish to impose a nationality and a loyalty on a people which many of whom would have no desire to be saddled with. It seems you haven’t read the posts on this thread after all.

    ‘Shit or get off the pot.’

    So do you think the Feast of San Gennaro should be banned in the USA?

    ‘Dream on.’

    I would rather dream that be a racist who demands a subjugated people accept a mere 22% of their former land.

    ‘In for a penny, in for a pound.’

    Sure, lets continue to forcibly transfer indigenous people from their land. Nice attitude.

    ‘It means that our day will come in a peaceful manner.’

    No, it means Hello or peace.

    ‘If you stand back and really look at it,’

    Funny, thats something I suggest you seriously try to do.

  • Brit

    “This idea stems from the fact that Jews love writing books detailing the sufferings of Jews in distant ages and climes, but they do not like writing books detailing the unwise and unethical actions of Jews in such ages and places.”

    Rest my case Paddy

  • Brit

    “Unfortunately not Brit and its sad to see your childish attempt to portray people who merely relay historical fact as anti-semitic”

    I explicity made the point that I was not suggesting that anyone was an anti-semite, but I did argue that some of the comments unthinkingly repeated and reinforced certain racist stereotypes. Do you really contend that Paddy’s do not contain several stereotypes, generalisations which fall squarely within the norms of classic anti-semitism?

    As someone of the Left I take it as axiomatic that I oppose racism. When I see it I call it and criticise it. I presume you believe that you are on the Left so it should not be that hard to understand.

  • Brit

    “Lets remember you are the guy who refused to ‘accept’ facts because they rubbished your own thesis.”

    I refused to debate historical claims and counter claims with you because I am sorely tired of those arguments which I have had time and time again. A number of your factual claims were false or very distorted but I do not come onto a Norn Iron blog to have that argument – not least with a hysterical opponent who repeatedly calls me racist.

  • RepublicanStones

    Brit please show how where my factual claims are false, i would appreciate correction if you feel i need it, however simply to say im wrong without any evidence to rebuke the facts you claim are false is quite childish and perhaps is symptomatic of your limited grasp of the history of the situation.

    As for you not being a racist, please tell me what term I should apply to someone who believes settlers should have rights over and above indigenous peoples.

  • Brit

    RS – I’m not going to debate I/P with you and not going to trawl though your dozens of claims to dispute, modify or contextualise them.

    However the claim you repeated yesterday about the Evian conference is just bizarre. I have never heard of the World Zionist Organisation having refused to participate. The purpose of the conference was to see if countries would take in Jews to save them from the anticipated troubles for Jews. The British refused any signficant immigration into Palestine and the main feature of the conference was that one by one all the countries of the world closed their doors to the Jews from emigrating from Germany and Austria and only the Dutch, Danes and Dominican Republic permitted unrestricted immigration.

    The idea that the World Zionist Organisation would rather Jews perish than go to Britain or the US is bizarre.

    This stuff is associated with a broader narrative about Zionst/Nazi collaboration and even Zionst blame for the Holocaust associated with Lenni Brenner and thoroughly debunked.

    I am very suspicious of any attempt to de-legitimise or attack Zionism by comparison, analogy or association with Nazism.

  • Brit

    “You seem to think that jews are not human. That because someone is jewish, he/she is incapable of wrongdoing or mistakes. Either that or you fear the label of ‘anti-semite’ so much that you deny the truth. As for myself, I view jews as humans, capable of right and wrong, capable of all the emotions and desires the rest of humanity are capable off. Perhaps you think otherwise.”

    Not only do I not think that I have never said anything on here (or otherwise) which could conceivably be construed as meaning that Jews are incabable of doing wrong. My comments on Zionism above neccessarily mean that Jews can and do do wrong.

  • Brit

    “I wonder if you could tell me what on earth is wrong with being anti-zionist?”

    There is anti-zionism and anti-zionism. Some versions are more wrong than others. However they generally share the common features:-

    1. A denial of the Jews of all peoples of a right to statehood and self-determination.

    2.A call for the destruction / dismantling of the State of Israel based on supposed “original sin” 60 years ago before most Israeli citizens were born.

    3. The double-standard which does not call for the destruction / dismantling of all/most other states born of war/displacement/death/refugees.

    4. A failure to understand the context of Zionism and the establishment of Israel – a history of deep and persistent anti-semitism culminating in the Holocaust.

    5. Exaggerated claims about the evil nature of Israel in contrast to much graver crimes and suffering elswhere in the world.

    6. Constant rabid de-humanising and de-legitimising of Israel which promotes hatred and ignorance and which prevents any attempt at a balanced analysis of the I/P conflict.

    7. A partial or complete failure to acknowledge the failings and evils committed by Palestinians and their supporters during the conflict.

  • Brit

    “As for you not being a racist, please tell me what term I should apply to someone who believes settlers should have rights over and above indigenous peoples.”

    Someone who believes that the just solution to the two competing nationalisms in the land of Israel and Palestine takes account of the full history of the peoples, the rejectionism of the Palestinians and the waging of aggressive war by them, the lack of any Palestinian nation (in a legal or metaphysicsal sense) prior to the late 40s, and the reality on the ground.

  • RepublicanStones

    Brit Im willing to bet you never even heard of the Evian conference nevermind the WZO’s refusal to particiapte. Your disbelief at their non-attendance reflects a lack of understanding of zionism. I suggest you read the quote again, infact try reading the book instead of thinking your incredulity is a sufficient rebuttal.

    ‘The idea that the World Zionist Organisation would rather Jews perish than go to Britain or the US is bizarre.’

    Who mentioned anything about them letting jews perish? Please do not try to mislead through your inability to read. They were unhappy at anything which would reduce the number of jews for Palestine. And if I were a jew escaping Europe circa 1938, England or the USA would seem a much brighter option than the levant.

    ‘I am very suspicious of any attempt to de-legitimise or attack Zionism by comparison, analogy or association with Nazism.’

    Boo-hoo, you can suspect all you want. Zionism de-legitimized itself long ago with the ‘land without a people for a people without a land’ myth.

    Any ideology which gives rights to settlers over and above the rights of the indigenous people is by default one without moral legitimacy. How on earth can you not see this, if as you claim, you are not racist.