Stopover troops spotted in combats in Clare hotel…

What is the protocol for combat troops when going out in public in a ‘neutral’ country? And will the Republic’s government object when they hear about Seosamh O’Neill’s recent sighting of US troops in combat fatigues at a wedding in Clare?

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  • George

    As the groom said when he decided to let them gatecrash his wedding:

    “If my own son happened to be in that situation in a foreign country, I would hope that someone would show him a bit of a good time before he had to face what they are going to.”

    Ireland isn’t a neutral country and it doesn’t have neutrality laws.

    The only constitutional bar is on foreign troops maintaining a base here so, from a legal point of view, these buckos were more than entitled to let what little hair they had down as they were just “passing through”.

    From what I can see, the ones in uniform weren’t even allowed have a drink.

  • Bruno Spiro

    Shocking!

    The young men of today simply do not know how to pack for an overseas trip.

    Jeeves of course sees to my every need and always includes a dinner jacket for that little party one hasn’t planned for, my tennis whites and something in tweed for a sporting day on the moors.

    Naturally it all adds up but I never travel without my Louis Vuitton trunk.

  • Mark McGregor

    It is illegal to wear the uniforms without permission:

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/en/act/pub/0018/sec0317.html

  • George

    They certainly have permission to wear them at the transit area in Shannon, the question is did that permission extend to wearing them at the hotel near Shannon in the circumstances mentioned.

  • seceder

    I find this story interesting on several levels:

    ironically this is attitude “some mother’s son” that got Jean McConville kidnapped and murdered

    Had it been british Soldiers on the way to Iraq I’m sure the attitude would have been different – why?

    Had they been irish Soldiers on the way to Iraq would it have been different?

    Personally I think it was basic humanity and decency to invite the guys in – if this is evidence of Ireland changing great – but I’m sure my view may be a minority one

  • Gertntfe

    Saw some folks in strange uniforms at Bodenstown once. I’m searching for photos of this other earth-shattering event.

    Don’t think they were having a beer though. Is that material to the story being newsworthy?

  • IRIA

    Jenn McConville did not get killed for “assiting a wounded Brit soldier at her doorstep” as it was reported for years and years. The ombudsman’s report states that.

    Her killing was deplorable, but the commonly believed reason behind it has been rubbished long ago.

  • Trev

    Wearing “combats” to a wedding in Clare? Probably the best dressed folks there.

  • Balconite

    These guys were taking a big chance. Going to a Clare wedding they should have been packin’ their M16s.

  • McGrath

    3.It is illegal to wear the uniforms without permission:

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/en/act/pub/0018/sec0317.html

    Posted by Mark McGregor on Jul 20, 2009 @ 04:29 PM

    317.—(1) No person shall, save with the consent in writing of a Minister of State, enter or land in the State while wearing any foreign uniform.

    [GA] (2) No person shall, save with the consent in writing of a Minister of State, go into any public place in the State while wearing any foreign uniform.

    They already have permission to enter / land in the state.

    They were not in a public place, a public place is defined by the requirement to pay admittance in the same statue.

    If they are dumb enough to attend a wedding in battle fatigues, how much harm could they actually cause?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    McGrath: “If they are dumb enough to attend a wedding in battle fatigues, how much harm could they actually cause? ”

    What a sad little statement. A gesture of kindness and welcome on the part of the wedding couple gets turned into a snide little comment in some sad little exercise in point-scoring.

  • Reader

    IRIA: The ombudsman’s report states that.
    No it doesn’t. If you want to make the rest of your comment any more specific we could challenge that too.

  • NCM

    If they were out of uniform they would have been tried as spies and hanged, so under the circumstances they had no choice.

  • Glencoppagagh

    “317.—(1) No person shall, save with the consent in writing of a Minister of State, enter or land in the State while wearing any foreign uniform.
    [GA] (2) No person shall, save with the consent in writing of a Minister of State, go into any public place in the State while wearing any foreign uniform.
    They already have permission to enter / land in the state.”

    In practice, “foreign” here means British, just like “foreign” games.
    I can’t imagine Irish people, apart from the left-wing fringe, objecting to Americans in uniform.

  • George

    “In practice, “foreign” here means British, just like “foreign” games.”

    In practice, that’s not true as permission had to be granted by the relevant minister (Cowen I believe) back in 2003 for the US soldiers at Shannon because of this law.

    Also, the person who invited them to his wedding described the US soldiers as “foreign” so maybe you are projecting what would fit your world view rather than the reality there Glencoppagagh.

  • mcgrath

    What a sad little statement. A gesture of kindness and welcome on the part of the wedding couple gets turned into a snide little comment in some sad little exercise in point-scoring.

    Posted by Dread Cthulhu on Jul 20, 2009 @ 08:59 PM

    Sorry to offend your particular sensibilities Dread, mine where simply put on edge by those wearing Fatigues to a wedding party, despite policy in effect for military dress and conduct. (I have a son in service of the USMC)