In one sentence, what does the GAA mean to you?

I’ll be too busy to ask this of people at the Ulster Final on Sunday but lets have your answers here. One sentence only on ‘what the GAA means to you’…..

  • PJM

    A romantic afternoon with my wife

  • elbandito

    Entirely and unimaginatively (football goal, ball rugby posts, numbers of players) invented by some angry, anglophobic, anti-Semitic men in late 19th century ireland – largely a result of them being kicked out of their rugby/cricket (delete as appropriate)clubs some weeks before.

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “largely a result of them being kicked out of their rugby/cricket”

    Na, but more likely being treated like shit overall by the minority.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘anti-Semitic men in late 19th century ireland’

    Funny you said that, actually watching ‘Britain’s Nazi King’ on Five at the minute. Interesting stuff.

  • Seceder ” GAA currently means – new clothes manufacturer because regardless of where inthe world you go GAA supporters seem to have no other clothes than their GAA tops – and regardless of what the liberals may try and believe the vast majority are worn for any other reason than sport or support for sport! “

    Aahhaa, so I’ve finally found you.!!!

    It must’ve been you in that shop in Miami who, when seeing my Dubs shirt, nudged and elbowed your wife nodding towards me in shock/horror at my attire. I wondered who it was and why over 3,000 miles from Ireland you’d be aghast that someone would be in Three-Flaming-Castles-Blue-&-Navy (old crest).

    Shouldn’t you have been checking out the cracking looking young ladies or simply soaking up the sun instead of scowling at me. Surely, one advanced into late-middle-age like yourself, would have learnt to leave all these things in the departure lounge at Aldergrove?!?!

    You sad ol’ fool.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘GAA supporters seem to have no other clothes than their GAA tops’

    So please tell us Seceder, how do you spot a fan of a particular sport if they are not wearing attire linked to that particular sport.

  • paz

    The most professional sporting organisation on the island.

    BTW – To all you Belfast/derry muckers referring to the GAA as a bunch of cluchies, maybe you should consider the association’s popularity in Ireland’s two largest cities, Dublin and Cork.

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “Funny you said that, actually watching ‘Britain’s Nazi King’ on Five at the minute. Interesting stuff.”

    Aye yes, your two main sources of information Channel 5 and Wikipedia, im sure you will upload it to youtube along with the rest of your comedy.

  • RepublicanStones

    My two main sources??!!!

    The Times recommended the programme.

    But Perhaps its best not to take advice from a guy who names himself after a science fiction television character aimed at kids.

  • Peter Fyfe

    feeling admiration for my neighbours in Loughgiel but never cheering for them!

    Posted by justin on Jul 16, 2009 @ 12:14 AM

    I assume you have never shared that fact with a fellow dunloy man.

  • caoimhin

    A middle class sport. Just look at the Antrim team, the only represtation on the panel comes from St.Galls, St.Johns and St.Bridget’s, all very middle class teams.

  • Peter Fyfe

    That it is Glensman, but don’t then pretend the GAA is open to all. No self-respecting Unionist is going to join a club named in honour of a hunger striker or an association that allows them to do so.

    Posted by Richard Aardvark on Jul 16, 2009 @ 02:26 PM

    Then join another club so you can kick the shit out of them on the pitch. Though you might have to answer to Geoffrey. And you don’t want to do that.

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “But Perhaps its best not to take advice from a guy who names himself after a science fiction television character aimed at kids. ”

    Yes pretty harmless, as opposed to someone whose non de plume is named after projectiles aimed at anyone who doesn´t agree with his aspirations.

  • SK

    Three days ago the leaders of the Loyal orders came out and DEMANDED that nationalists respect Protestant culture. How is that supposed to happen when unionists pour scorn on any cultural pursuit that has a fenian tint to it? If you want respect for your culture, then it is incumbent upon you make to show a little bit of respect for ours. If you can’t bring yourselves to do so, then please refrain from bitching and moaning about nationalist intolerance next time the twelfth comes around.

  • RepublicanStones

    Lighten up Doc, watch the television programme (because you obviously like the telly), or are you averse to documentaries?

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “Lighten up Doc, watch the television programme (because you obviously like the telly), or are you averse to documentaries?”

    lol, I think you should perhaps take some of your own medicine.

    Will watch the docu. as one could say I have a certain interest in the subject matter. but I seem to recall you are more of a conspiracy docu. man. Wasn´t it the Brits who did Kingsmill, that´s one of yours isn´t it.

  • CW

    I’l be suporting Tyrone on Sunday from one of the half dozen pubs in the Finchley area (which according to a former UK PM is as British as NI). Since I moved to London I don’t get to as many matches now, but I do occasionally venture out west to Ruislip to cheer on the Exiles. Nevertheless the crack in London on a championship Sunday can be great with punters from all parts of Ireland engaging in the banter and inter-county rivalry.
    Tyrone certainly look goof this yearm but they haven’t been tested to any great extent yet. Dublin will be out for revenge and Cork wil be no pushover, the Kingdom are far from finished.

    To be honest though, in the unlikely event that Antrim win on Sunday I won’t mind too much as it’s about time they had their day in the sun..and in any case there’s the backdoor route…

  • CW

    CORRECTON:
    SHOULD BE “Tyrone certainly look good this year”

  • fin

    Just supposing the GAA made the changes that some people on here ask for, what would unionism give in return or are they already perfect neighbours

    PS
    GAA, is all about a pub with sticky carpet, chairs with unusual stains, a magnificent pint of the black stuff and a great bunch of locals, all you have to do is brave the warzone of Penge to get there

  • DK

    Another boring sport – I’d rather read a book.

  • DoctorWho

    Fin

    “Just supposing the GAA made the changes that some people on here ask for, what would unionism give in return or are they already perfect neighbours”

    The GAA can only change if it wants to, it should be up to no one else only the association and it´s members.

    I doubt very much they will change because of criticisms from Unionism and neither should they, it can only come from a genuine desire from within itself to change. The attitudes of it´s Southern counties seems to have softened over the last few years, but theres little sign of that in the UK members of the GAA. Don´t forget who where the only six members to vote against opening Croke Park to non Gaelic sports.

    In a direct answer to your question on what would Unionists give in return, I suppose if it was a non sectarian sporting association they might actually join and particapate.

    Sporting apartheid is just like educational apartheid, it breeds ignorance and mis-conceptions of themuns.

  • wtf

    “The most professional sporting organisation on the island”

    errrrrr is the GAA not an amateur sporting/terrorist organisation ?

    one of the last great dinosaurs of “old ireland”

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘but I seem to recall you are more of a conspiracy docu. man.’

    Unfortunately Doc, this programme does contain a conspiracy as it showed one of the British Royals was conspiring with the Nazis.

    I still take it you’ve never bothered your arse to study the history of Britains colonial conflicts and the methodology employed by the likes of Frank Kitson….makes for interesting if rather unsavoury reading.

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “one of the last great dinosaurs of “old ireland””

    Yep, but no sign of it’s extinction either.

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “Unfortunately Doc, this programme does contain a conspiracy as it showed one of the British Royals was conspiring with the Nazis.”

    Watched the programme, nothing much knew in it´s content. Although it´s clear the constitutional crisis was prompted by a little bit more than Edward Windsor wishing to wed a twice divorced American floozy. It seems Edward had a lot in common with the IRA of the era. You also ignore the fact that it was the same British who removed the naive and troublesome Royal from harms way.

    “I still take it you’ve never bothered your arse to study the history of Britains colonial conflicts and the methodology employed by the likes of Frank Kitson….makes for interesting if rather unsavoury reading”

    Now, now, because you have learned to read it doesn´t mean others can´t, I have read the book you refer to and yes it does make for “unsavoury reading”, I don´t think anyone will argue that methods used by the British in colonial times where questionable, however connecting that with the IRA´s masacre of innocent men at Kingsmill takes a huge leap of imagination. Perhaps you need to broaden your reading material.

  • Cushy Glenn

    “RC community based mirror to the Orange order, but with sport, drink, and better halls”

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Watched the programme’

    Hang on I thought watching channel 5 was beneath you?

    ‘You also ignore the fact that it was the same British who removed the naive and troublesome Royal from harms way.’

    Pretty hard to ignore as it mentions Churchill’s dislike of the particular Royal. Although finding out the Royal thought of German as his mother tongue was news to me. Those Saxe-Coburg-Gotha’s are a funny bunch.

    ‘Now, now, because you have learned to read it doesn´t mean others can´t’

    Ahh, rather childish there Doc, but then again, given your name…

    ‘takes a huge leap of imagination.’

    Not really, Kitson was operational in the north in the early seventies. Gordon Kerr was said to have been a fan of his tactics, the strange english accent. Its only a leap in imagination for people like you because the evidence doesn’t paint your favourite bogeymen the IRA in the picture. You’d have to be pretty naive to think the Brits didn’t use similar tactics here that they did in their other colonies.

    ‘Perhaps you need to broaden your reading material.’

    Or maybe you mean desist from reading any material which examines the crude underbelly of the british army and empire?

  • Kerry GAA

    The GAA means everything to me, to me its more than a Sunday game, its Irish, its Catholic ad its also to support the Gaelic language and even remember those who died for Ireland in the past.

  • elbandito

    Kerins O’Rahilly’s GAA club in Tralee is named after Nazi collaborator Charlie Kerins…

    http://www.biographicon.com/wiki/99mmc

  • The original Sam Maguire

    If any Saffron is so inclined, admission can generally be gained into most of the local hostelries from fairly early on (9.30 or 10ish), just keep your eyes peeled for the guys walking with a bit of purpose and heading for the back alleys.

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “Not really, Kitson was operational in the north in the early seventies. Gordon Kerr was said to have been a fan of his tactics, the strange english accent.”

    The mysterious english accent, obviously meant the murderers where British soldiers, c´mon RS even you must see that is a huge leap of imagination.

    “Those Saxe-Coburg-Gotha’s are a funny bunch.”

    I agree and I wouldn´t lose much sleep if the monarchy was disbanded tomorrow.

    “Or maybe you mean desist from reading any material which examines the crude underbelly of the british army and empire?”

    I have already stated that British behaviour in it´s colonial past is questionable, just like British people today question the logic of it´s presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, the difference being of course Northern Ireland is or never has been a British colony.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘even you must see that is a huge leap of imagination.’

    Its a huge leap of imagination to insist the British would never employ similar tactics here.

    ‘I have already stated that British behaviour in it´s colonial past is questionable’

    Questionable? Thats a light way of putting it.

    ‘the difference being of course Northern Ireland is or never has been a British colony.’

    Really? You are aware where the plantation of Ulster was? Or does history only begin in 1921/22 for you?

    Heres some reading for you.

    http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/1102

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “Its a huge leap of imagination to insist the British would never employ similar tactics here.”

    I think the tactics employed by the British in NI have been well documented in the last few years, particularly it´s use of double agents and the lengths they went to protect them. That is however a million miles away from your suggestion that British soldiers deliberately murdered Protestant workmen in order to blame the IRA and heighten tension. You offer absolutely no evidence for this and succeed only in offending the victims of Kingsmill, relatives of whom I am well aquainted with.

    “Really? You are aware where the plantation of Ulster was? Or does history only begin in 1921/22 for you?”

    Yes I am very aware about the plantation of Ulster, but why stop there RS, what about the Norman invasion of 1169, or is that acceptable as they where Catholic. Furthermore on one side of my family tree, there has only been an Irish dimension since the 1930´s, does that make my Unionist beliefs less tolerable to you. What about migration since the plantations….we could go on, my point is if you define the plantations as artificially placing a population, the same argument can apply to almost any population.

    As I said you should stretch your reading past the Gospel According To P. O´Neil

  • oldruss

    For this Yank, GAA means the memory I still have of my wife and I on vacation, driving from Kilkenny to Galway on the Sunday of the All Ireland Hurling Final, listening to it on the car radio, and rooting for Clare against Tipp, as it was Co. Clare where we’d first touched Irish soil.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘You offer absolutely no evidence for this’

    Doc as I have said on numerous threads. The two gangs operated in the same area, with the same m.o, and were both lead by a guy with an english accent. That coupled with the reality of the british army policies and who had served in the north makes the fact you dismiss it out of hand really naive. You are not even willing to admit its a possibility.

    Doctor its patently evident you haven’t bothered reading about Kitson’s tactics or low intensity warfare as you have claimed, because you would know about pseudo gangs. You would also be aware of the tactic of attempting to ruin support for an insurgency in its core support base. But as you HAVE NOT read about such tactics you merely think it was to ‘heighten tension.’ But as I’ve said, your belief that the Brits wouldn’t try that here is naive in the extreme.

    Okay Doc the noble brits never done anything here, no pseudo-gangs, no UDR, no FRU, no Bloody Sunday. Is that about the height of it?

    ‘Yes I am very aware about the plantation of Ulster’

    Why then claim the north was never a colony? It was actually one of Britains first.

    ‘or is that acceptable as they where Catholic.’

    Why would it be accpetable if they were catholic, land theft and colonisation is still just that no matter what holy book the perpretators read from. Obviously you are preoccupied with religion.

    ‘my point is if you define the plantations as artificially placing a population’

    Define it as???? It was artifical. It was not NATURAL migration. You seem to not have read the article i linked.

    ‘the same argument can apply to almost any population.’

    Right let me get this straight. Most populations in the world are where they are because of an enforced land grab and use of a loyal minority as a buffer between the colonial power and the colonized?

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “Okay Doc the noble brits never done anything here, no pseudo-gangs, no UDR, no FRU, no Bloody Sunday. Is that about the height of it?”

    Why be an arse RS, as you can see from my posts I am clearly someone who doesn´t fully trust the British tactics in Ireland.

    You call ne naive yet it is you who trolls the internet making completely unfounded allegations, which are likely to cause offence to the relatives of the dead at Kingsmill.

    “Right let me get this straight. Most populations in the world are where they are because of an enforced land grab and use of a loyal minority as a buffer between the colonial power and the colonized? ”

    From since man descended from Africa, migration has been a natural course of human activity. Perhaps you think we should re-patriate the people of the USA, Austrailia, New Zealand, while we´re at it RS, can you really prove your Irishness, how do we know you are not a demon planter whose blood has got mixed up like so many.

    You should try to escape your pre-occupation with hating all things British and Protestant, it´s twisting your mind to the point that you believe in crazy conspiracy theories. I suppose you think 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy and that Tony Blair gave the order for 7/7.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘making completely unfounded allegations’

    It seems you cannot read.

    ‘which are likely to cause offence to the relatives of the dead at Kingsmill.’

    Ahh so because it might cause somebody offence we should not discuss it. You say you are aquainted with them, yet it was you who brought the issue up.

    ‘From since man descended from Africa, migration has been a natural course of human activity’

    Doc, you seemed to have missed the part we discussed earlier about natural migration as opposed to artificial migration.

    ‘Perhaps you think we should re-patriate the people of the USA, Austrailia, New Zealand,’

    Not at all, but do they demand that Britain still govern those lands?

    ‘while we´re at it RS, can you really prove your Irishness’

    Tell me how I would do that?

    ‘how do we know you are not a demon planter whose blood has got mixed up like so many.’

    ‘Demon palnter’? Why the loaded language? Plenty of people of planter stock disliked and do dislike Britains presence in Ireland.

    ‘You should try to escape your pre-occupation with hating all things British and Protestant,’

    Again with the loaded language. Where on earth do you get the idea I hate everything protestant and british? I enjoy many things British, excellent comedy, Withnail and I is one of my fav movies, Im a gooner – was at Highbury twice, and have several protestant friends who I do get a giggle out of during the Sam season as they refer to it as ‘Garlic football.’

    ‘I suppose you think 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy and that Tony Blair gave the order for 7/7. ‘

    Haven’t heard that one, care to elaborate?

  • west1

    sweet FA

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    ‘making completely unfounded allegations’

    It seems you cannot read.

    They are if you feel they are not, take them along to the Sunday World, they publish any old shit.

    It is irrelevant wether you think that the Protestant people in NI are artificially placed, to use it as an argument to deny democracy in the present day is laughable and certainly twisted. It is a redundant argument no longer used even by your provo comrades. Im still unsure how you would view me as a new blood unionist who is not a Protestant. Should I get a vote?

    As youi say RS, you support Arsenal, you love British comedy and you even have the odd Prod mate, so is not time to stop bricking the Brits and sit up and give the Britsh cultural side of you as much respect as your Irishness.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘It is irrelevant wether you think that the Protestant people in NI are artificially placed’

    Where did I state that? You stated incorrectly that the north of Irleand was never a colony. I corrected you. nowhere did i state the above. Plenty of protestants wopuld be descended from people who ‘took the soup’. As well as people whose descendants came post-plantations. It seems you’re having difficulty keeping track of what you write.

    ‘to use it as an argument to deny democracy in the present day is laughable and certainly twisted.’

    Jesus wept, where have I denied you democracy by simply stating historical fact?

    ‘Im still unsure how you would view me as a new blood unionist who is not a Protestant.’

    As a human being.

    ‘Should I get a vote?’

    Don’t you have one? You are over 16?

    ‘As youi say RS, you support Arsenal, you love British comedy and you even have the odd Prod mate, so is not time to stop bricking the Brits’

    It seems you equate protestanism with Britishness. And by criticisng the British where its warranted is not to brick them.

    ‘and sit up and give the Britsh cultural side of you as much respect as your Irishness’

    I respect the earlier bits of british culture i mentioned, like I respect parts of USA culture and even Australian, but I’ll be critical if its warranted. What annoys me Doc is certain peoples refusal to admit that for 100s of years right up to the present it was Britian who did not repespect the irish or Irish culture, in our own land no less.

  • DoctorWho

    rs

    People migrated to Ireland from neighbouring Britain, Ireland was never a colony and today Northern Ireland is not seen by the majority of it´s population as colonial. Why do you have the arrogance to say they are wrong.

    “It seems you equate protestanism with Britishness. And by criticisng the British where its warranted is not to brick them.”

    I didn´t, yet I find it rather sad that Ptotestants in NI do not embrace that part of their history which was Gaelic and republican. The fact that the ideals of the United Irishmen (who seen themselves mainly as post colonial British, like many of their American fellow revolutionaries) and modern day republicanism are about as like as chalk and cheese doesn´t seem to matter.

    This kind of brings me back to the topic of the thread. Posters have wrongly compared the OO with the GAA. The Orange order is a religous institution exclusively Protestant, the GAA is a sporting and cultural institution celebrating something exclusively Irish. Given the importance of Irish Protestants to the Irish language and the history of Ireland (and the GAA), is it not time the Northern members of the association did more to make their organistion more welcoming for their Protestant and non-Catholic brothers.

  • Doire Abu

    Looks like Dr Who and RS are having their own personal battle and losing sight of the topic of this thread. The GAA to me means community, sport and voluntary participation unique in a world now obsessed with sporting greed. My 7 year old son plays hurling, football and soccer. Without the GAA, i feel his life would be worse off. It connects every county in Ireland and would love to see cross community participation.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Ireland was never a colony’

    Utter horseshite Doc, virtually every history academic would disagree with you. Again you don’t seem to have read the article i linked. I suppose there was never any thing like ummm….ahhh…a language barrier? I suppose there were never any plantations? Doc in all honesty how can you still peddle such historical inaccuracies?

    ‘Northern Ireland is not seen by the majority of it´s population as colonial’

    Ahh but unionisms mentality is quite colonial. Wishing to maintain a link to the motherland.

    ‘Why do you have the arrogance to say they are wrong.’

    I think the arrogance you are accusing me off is small fry compared to unionisms refusal to accept the democratic will of the vast majority in Ireland for generations. It seems it was fine for them to say ‘we were wrong’.

    ‘The fact that the ideals of the United Irishmen (who seen themselves mainly as post colonial British, like many of their American fellow revolutionaries) and modern day republicanism are about as like as chalk and cheese doesn´t seem to matter.’

    Which is why they realised it was time to cut the apron strings. Also your refusal to admit that it was the british and unionist refusal to accept the democratic will and the legitimate aspiration of the irish people which is responsible in a large part for morphing certain quarters of republicanism into that which you dislike.

    ‘Posters have wrongly compared the OO with the GAA.’

    Agreed. The GAA is not religiously exclusive and do not demand to march.

    ‘Given the importance of Irish Protestants to the Irish language and the history of Ireland (and the GAA), is it not time the Northern members of the association did more to make their organistion more welcoming for their Protestant and non-Catholic brothers.’

    I would advocate the renaming of certain clubs which seem insensitive to the unionist community. But you seem to assume all protestants are unionist. Also a bit of acknowledgement from the unionist community that the ‘distasteful’ aspects of the GAA they see are only attempts to keep alive and cling to that which the british have for centuries attemped to deny them (hence the flying of the tricolour and singing of Amhrán na bhFiann)

    As regards changes what would you suggest?

  • Ri Na Deise

    Jaysus threads like this would make ye wonder:
    Is it the same games we’re talking about at all?

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “As you say RS, you support Arsenal, you love British comedy and you even have the odd Prod mate, so is not time to stop bricking the Brits and sit up and give the Britsh cultural side of you as much respect as your Irishness.”

    Republican Stones has a “British cultural side”?

    BTW, just coz ye support an English soccer team so does that make ye have a British cultural side? Does that make ye a little bit British?

    Well I suppose then we can appreciate other things foreign too, like Italian food, French wines, German cars, American movies, Spanish women – dark & sultry, etc…and I suppose we should ‘sit up’ and give our ‘foreign’ cultural sides of us as much respect as our Irishness. Maybe we already do too.

    So the same goes for the British in Ireland, if ye’s can appreciate things Irish maybe ye’s should sit up and give the ‘Irish’ cultural side of ye as much respect as your Britishness.

    However, I doubt if that would be the case ….as most of the British in Northern Ireland don’t see themselves as Irish (and declare so too) and do not appreciate anything Irish not that I or anyone else should care either.

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “People migrated to Ireland from neighbouring Britain, Ireland was never a colony and today Northern Ireland is not seen by the majority of it´s population as colonial. Why do you have the arrogance to say they are wrong.”

    Oh indeed, people migrated to Ireland from neighbouring Britain (and vice versa) over centuries, but it never gave London and an English monarch the supreme right to rule over Ireland!

    However, 800,000 ‘British’ people in NI today seem to think so, and that is quite understandable too, as they are the decendants of the last great wave of planters that were settled here in Ireland for the London administration and English monarch, however divisive it was and is. Sure why wouldn’t they see it any other way especially as they celebrate their difference each year on the Twelfth. And sure why not!

    (BTW, Other previous waves of British planters settled in quite well with the Irish “becoming more Irish than the Irish themselves” as that old saying goes and they in turn thought that London and an English monarch had no right to rule over Ireland!)

  • DoctorWho

    Gragoir

    “So the same goes for the British in Ireland, if ye’s can appreciate things Irish maybe ye’s should sit up and give the ‘Irish’ cultural side of ye as much respect as your Britishness.”

    I do, I am from Ireland therfore I am Irish, I am from Northern Ireland therfore I am Irish and British. The history of NI probably defines me more. I do not need flags or emblems to express my identidy and my patriotism stops at cheering NI at football matches.

    My brand of Irishness is as valid as anyone who follows GAA and speaks Gaelic.

    Republicanstones

    “As regards changes what would you suggest?”

    It is not for me to suggest or demand changes from the GAA. That can only come from the association and it´s supporters. They have to have a genuine desire to change and not because some unionists criticise them.

  • ellis

    not alot…a sport enjoyed by the masses but far too rupublican in nature

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘I do, I am from Ireland therfore I am Irish, I am from Northern Ireland therfore I am Irish and British.’

    Doc I am from Ireland and I am Irish. I am also from the north, yet I am just Irish. What I cannot understand is someone who claims to be irish yet is more than happy to subvert that identity to accomodate an overarching imperialist one. To me someone who is willing to do that has an identity crisis.

    ‘My brand of Irishness… ‘

    Is one which relegates your ‘irishness’ before the altar of ‘Britishness’.

    But for me as an Irishman, I would never dream of doing such a thing.

  • Driftwood

    Irish/British
    No-one ever studied Geology?
    OR Biology/Zoology?

    We are all apes, no difference.

    pity Richard Dawkins/Sam Harris/Daniel Dennett/Steven Weinberg/Richard Feynman/ Matt Ridley/AC Grayling etc couldn’t be elected in either jurisidiction.

    Even Christopher Hitchens?

    http://www.slate.com/id/2163217/

    but we hear what suits us….

  • DoctorWho

    republicanstones

    “Is one which relegates your ‘irishness’ before the altar of ‘Britishness’.
    But for me as an Irishman, I would never dream of doing such a thing. ”

    lol, nothing is relegated from my make-up, in addition to my Irishness and Britishness, I also feel very European. I speak Spanish, my wife is Spanish and my son peaks 3 languages at just 4 years old. I am who I am because of my cultural surroundings.

    None of this makes me less Irish. I never felt that the British where trying to deny me my Irishness, the Scottish don´t feel any less Scottish for also being British.

    As Driftwood points out we are all apes at the end of the day, and some of us allow the question of nationality which is essentially an accident of birth, dominate our lives.

  • DoctorWho

    lol, of course that should read my son speaks.

    As my Spanish gets better my English gets worse.

  • Ross O’Carroll Kelly

    “There’s been a long running campaign to try and get the universities to accept responsibility for the anti-social behaviour of their students.”

    What?

    You mean that Jordanstown should have expelled the guy who attacked the barmaid rather than move him into halls so that his penchant for vilence could be dealt with in the Students’ Union?

  • Democratic

    “The GAA means everything to me, to me its more than a Sunday game, its Irish, its Catholic ad its also to support the Gaelic language and even remember those who died for Ireland in the past.

    Posted by Kerry GAA on Jul 17, 2009 @ 05:02 PM”

    At least someone is prepared to go on record and call a spade a spade – fair play to you for your honesty – I feel it is a view shared by many but very unpopular to voice for obvious reasons….