Proliferation of flags

I just came across a group of men plastering Crumlin in dozens of flags. A first as flags at this time of year only usually appear on the Orange arch and outside the Orange Hall.

I’m sure everyone will join me in welcoming this cultural display. Aontroim abu!

  • RepublicanStones

    You’re getting taken to school on the 19th McGregor Mark….my words 😉

  • Drumlins Rock

    though the Pope was coming to visit on first view!

  • Agree with RS. Stevie O’Neill has put his honeymoon off so he can do to Aontroim what your manager’s son has just done to Muineachán.

    Anseo i dTír Eoghain, we don’t put our flags up until we get to the final- the All-Ireland final that is.

    Anyways, enough of the smugness! Best of luck to Aontroim and if they get beat, which they surely will, then I’d love to see them get through the Qualifiers to play a well-deserved QF at HQ.

    Tír Eoghain abú

  • Mark McGregor

    RS, Pat,

    I’m a 37 year old Antrim man. This is like a wonderful dream, nothing I’ve ever experienced before and thanks to a Saffron mad son I had the good fortune to be at Ballybofey and Clones to see this once in my livetime event. Putting up flags, going to open training, my son getting autographs and photos with the coach is all new to me and has been an absolute joy. Win or lose next week doesn’t matter. Last 16 is more than I ever hoped for and after the final we have at least one more match. I’ve even worked out how to celebrate after a win – always wondered what that was like.

  • Driftwood

    I can’t make them out, are those Australian flags? Something to do with the Ashes?

  • 6countyprod

    It must all be very intimidating for the non-nationalist community (what’s left of them) of Crumlin.

  • Mark McGregor

    Driftwood

    Here’s a bigger image for you then.

    6cp,

    You will be able to see the Union Jacks in the background that have been flying for weeks.

    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4361/antrim011.jpg

  • Mark

    [i]…to see this once in my livetime event.[/i]

    Judging by recent Antrim performances, including in this year’s NFL, and the massive decline in the standard of football in Donegal, Monaghan and Down, I’d be fairly confident that the Saffrons will have a few more days like those in Ballybofey and Clones last month in the coming years.

    [i]It must all be very intimidating for the non-nationalist community (what’s left of them) of Crumlin. [/i]

    Ah, the begrudgers wasted no time today. I bet some of them will be cheering on the lads. It’s not like the flags have been carefully inscribed with phrases such as “Quis Separabit”, “Trick or treat” or acronyms like “K.A.T.”, is it?

  • Driftwood

    fair enough, it’s the County Antrim GAA flag. Why has it got the Scottish lion in the crest?
    http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotland/saltire.html

    I assume this is gaelic football and not hurling, or does it cover both?
    From work colleagues I also understand that Handball is a GAA sport, but in the Olympics Ireland never field a team. Why is that?

  • CW

    It’s a different type of handball, Driftwood. Irish handball is basically poor man’s squash played in a 4-walled court, whereas Olympic handball is a team game akin to a cross between soccer and basketball. Or maybe you already knew this and were just taking the piss?

    Ironically, the closest relatives of Irish handball are Rugby Fives and Eton Fives played almost exclsuively within English public schools. I believe there are even over-lapping tournaments involving a compromise rules style game.

  • Yokel

    If such flags are put up in the right spirit and can be recieved in the right spirit its no bad thing at all.

    Nevermind the cultural and political side, GAA is a major local sport.

  • Driftwood

    Nope didn’t know that CW, I wonder how many nationalists knew it?

    Wonder if David Cameron and George Osborne played it?

    I don’t think the GAA flags offend anyone. My pub landlord flies the Tyrone one (its a mixed clientele) and the only objections are from the Down fans.

  • Drifty, after your latest comments and your posting a few weeks ago enquiring as to whether or not “Londonderry had ever won this international competition”, I think this presenter may have been inspired by wind-up merchants such as yourself

    It’s all good and very perceptive, but from 0:56 on is beyond hilarious, it’s genius.

  • Ulster Native

    Considering that the Scottish ‘Lion Rampant’ is a Gaelic symbol, Nationalists knowing the history of the Gaelic symbol would have no reason to be against it’s use.
    Anyway, the Irish Gaelic Kingdom of Dál Riata featured a portion of N.East Antrim stretching into Scotland. So the symbols usage is perhaps justified in that matter.
    The Lion originally used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Scots

    And general info on the Antrim G.A.A crest:(from http://antrim.gaa.ie/history/county-crest/)
    [i]”The old badge that was used by County Antrim was actually a historic badge for both Antrim Town and County.

    When the county started to look for a change away from this, about 8 years ago, there were quite a number of different designs put forward and with the help of O’Neills Sports Design department in Dublin, we came up with the badge that you see now and it was registered both in Ireland and in Europe and this was done formally through a firm of solicitors in Dublin who specialise in this type of thing.

    The Red Hand of Ulster was retained for obvious historic reasons and also the “lion rampant” was the link to the old badge, so it was felt that this should be included.

    The Castle and Round Tower were symbols of Ancient Celtic and Irish tradition in County Antrim and a number of examples are well known, Dunluce, Carrick, Kells and so on.

    The CLG ( Cumann Luthchleas Gael ) motif was taken from the centre piece of the “ hurlers shield “ which I hope is still on the wall in Casement Social Club and this dates back to 1907; the distinctive design was also used in the jerseys as a background ghost type of image, up to about 2006.

    The 1885 date comes from the five clubs in Antrim who registered with the fledgling Gaelic Athletic association in 1885 and there is historic records and proof of this registration.”[/i]

    [b]Aontroim Abú[/b]
    ANTRIM FOR ULSTER!!

  • the future;s bright, the future’s orange

    Never been to crumlin so have no idea about the demographics but it would be great if both ‘sides’ could fly their flegs for a couple of weeks and then take them. Mutual repect and all that. Or would that be asking too much Mark?

  • Mark McGregor

    tfbtfo,

    The demographics of Crumlin at the 2001 census were – it is 75% Catholic, I’d guess it is closer to 80% now.

    In the background of one of the photos you can see the Orange Arch and Union flags which are pretty much unmolested as a rule. Heck a few years ago the local pipe band that works for the Loyal institutions led a parade of children playing a GAA football competition through the village. Though at a recent parade a single arsehole youth did throw a bottle and injured a participant that was very much against the norm.

    Only real tensions here are imported by a certain individual from Stoneyford and I fear he may try and create problems over the football flags. But he’ll be in for a shock if he tries his shit when he can’t outnumber and intimidate folks.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Erecting those flags beside the Orange Hall and arch is a deliberate attempt to provoke the Protestant Unionist people. Shame the Catholic folk of Crumlin can’t leave the Orangemen along with provoking them.

  • Chris Donnelly

    UMH

    You’ll find the Antrim flags were not erected on the sets of street lights immediately before and after the Orange Arch in respect of the Orangemen.

    That’s the way things are in this 75% nationalist village: respect is afforded to the identity of the minority community.

    Would that a 75% unionist village could afford reciprocal respect to a nationalist minority. If you know of one which would respect the flying of the Irish National flag from the middle of its village in such fashion, please let me know.

    Driftwood

    I think you’ll find handball is perhaps the one gaelic sport many nationalists are familiar with from a very young age- I played it for many, many years at primary and secondary school as part of a daily break/ lunch routine, whereas gaelic football and hurling were played during PE lessons alone.

    Handball- the ‘real’ handball that is- is played mainly by Yanks and Irish people, though Basques play a similar game. The team game is popular in eastern Europe, and is a good game in its own right, but our own version of handball is hard to beat.

    I waa fortunate enough to attend St. Mary’s CBGS at Barrack Street, where we didn’t really have any room to play football, but the large number of large brick walls in the aged school encouraged handball. Many Simmarians went on to become excellent handball players.

  • the future;s bright, the future’s orange

    ah, come on, who cares. if antrim have achieved something, let them fly their flegs. if they erected tricolours perhaps that would be confrontational but from what mark says these folsk seem to get on okay so i think it;s a good thing. and it ain’t often i agree with marky

  • Carnlough

    UMH-What utter garbage you spout.The GAA is not an anti protestant organisation.How would they be offended by antrim flags?Its not often you would see tricolours in Crumlin and anyway is an orange arch and loyalists not offensive to 80% of Crumlin?

  • Big Maggie

    Is anybody commenting from Belfast this evening? Here in south Down we’re experiencing truly torrential rain.

    I know it’s what the French call Schadenfreude but I do hope weather conditions are equally dire in Belfast. Reason: I passed City Hospital yesterday, where young men seemingly in dire need of a life were erecting the makings of a bonfire within screaming distance of said hospital. They’d scrawled a sign saying something like: “You can take away our flags but you can’t take away our bonfires.”

    (One could with profit substitute the word “flags” with “brains”.)

    I’m no great shakes in trigonometry but it looked to be about 20 feet higher than the 40 feet reported by the media. Nice if you happen to be admitted with cardiac problems. Who produces such cretins?

    So may it rain and rain on those lunatic expressions of “culture”!

  • Carnlough

    I seen some pictures of the bonfire in pitt park in east belfast and predictably enough theres sdlp and sinn fein election posters on it.

  • Big Maggie

    Carnlough,

    “predictably enough theres sdlp and sinn fein election posters on it.”

    Excellent! I’m sick looking at those posters when they should have been taken down a long time ago. To the bonfire I say!

  • Driftwood

    Just curious, but have Antrim actually won anything?
    Chris Donnelly
    I couldn’t see anything relating to Handball on the Antrim website. I assume it’s treated as the ‘poor relation’ at higher levels. Like Camogie. I was hoping to see a sort of County Down version of the Brazilian women’s Beach volleyball team at Tyrella sometime, but on second thoughts….

  • Danny O’Connor

    Carnlough Big Maggie
    My posters were used on the bonfires in Glenarm and Craigyhill in 2007.Let me assure you that they weren’t up too long,the ones in Glenarm-including those on the main road at the psni station were down within a few hours.
    Needless to say the cameras weren’t working.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Driftwood try gaa.ie.
    the 4 official gaa sports are ;hurling,football,handball and rounders.

  • 6countyprod

    Mark, I was only teasing in my first post, but now it does actually appear to be an attempt to raise tensions in the area and cause further division. It’s not funny anymore!

  • Driftwood

    Rounders, you serious?

    I still don’t get the fact that there is an Olympic sport-handball- and an Irish derivation that appears to have no relation.
    I assume Gaelic football is an amalgmation of Rugby and proper football- Chelsea, liverpool etc (what the Yanks call soccer).
    Hurling is a sort of hockey.
    ‘Irish’ handball is squash without racquets.
    Rounders is , well rounders? irish ‘cricket’ or a form of baseball?

    Why do the supporters of all these games wear Glasgow Celtic jerseys?

  • Big Maggie

    Danny,

    “Let me assure you that they weren’t up too long,the ones in Glenarm-including those on the main road at the psni station were down within a few hours.
    Needless to say the cameras weren’t working.”

    I’ll be coming to cameras in a moment.

    Reason I mentioned the City Hospital bonfire was that I happened to meet a couple of PSNI officers in the vicinity. When I alerted them to the bonfire and its possible distress to patients in City Hospital it was a shrugging of epauletted shoulders and words to the effect of “Nothing to do with us, love.”

    Being made of stern stuff I immediately mentioned the fact that hubby was fined £60 recently for the crime of doing 52 mph on a stretch of the MI that’s undergoing reconstruction. The speed limit is imposed (quite rightly) to protect the construction workers. But hubby was filmed by Ulster’s Finest after 6 pm when said workers were done for the day. That argument of course cut no ice. Probably too logical.

    In short our police don’t give an aardvark’s crap about potential danger to the sick of Belfast but prefer to risk life and limb by enforcing ludicrous speed limits.

    I’m probably missing something here but I don’t know what :^)

  • Danny O’Connor

    Driftwood,many Irish soccer clubs wear the hoops.
    The hoops were not the attire of the original Glasgow based Celtic.
    How can anybody take water polo seriously when they don’t have horses.

  • EyeOnTheNorth

    To all Unionist bloggers on this post…
    This would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking chilling…
    I Can’t believe that I’m reading criticisms that the flag of a beloved sporting team being flown in a Nationalist village.
    ‘what about the protestant minority?’ you ask.
    Please could you go to your nearest estate and tonight and tomorrow you will see massive bonfires topped with tricolours.
    YOU’RE BURNING YOUR NEIGHBOURING COMMUNITY’S FLAG LIKE FASCISTS YET YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A SPORTS FLAG.
    CAN YOU NOT SEE THE SUPERNOVA IRONY HERE??
    COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TERRIFYING TRIBAL HATRED ON YOUR DOORSTEP BEFORE MOANING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
    cheers

  • the future;s bright, the future’s orange

    again, a fair point made. Burning a fleg IMHO is a disgraceful act – a few posters of Gerry and Marty I can live with but hopefully in years to come we can get to the stage where we don’t need to burn tricolours on the 11th.

    On the whole, i think things are slowly moving in the right direction. And without sounding whataboutery, attacking orange halls ain’t a good lead up to the 12th – kind of adds fuel to the fire.

    Perhaps we need another quango group: representatives from both sides who can maybe formulate a strategy to reduce tension over the period. Probably 5 years away yet.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]hopefully in years to come we can get to the stage where we don’t need to burn tricolours on the 11th.”[/i]

    I hope to see that day too as it will undermine the silly notion Republicans have that the Irish state flag is a 32 county island nation flag. Maybe the irish government needs to make it clear to them that the flag represents the Irish state and sad as it might be that the tricolour doesn’t represent those living in N.Ireland, they still have their Irish passports to salivate over.

  • Peter Brown

    Maggie

    I’m probably missing something here but I don’t know what :^)

    Whilst not a huge fan of bonfires myself – I can see the Ahoghill fire from where I am sitting and hopefully the recent rain will mean it won’t be as warm as it has been in the past and I won;t have to move my car – what (legal) grounds do the police have for intervening in any bonfire? What crime is being committed and what legislation can be used to remove / move bonfires? I ask because I don;t know of any but there might be something…

    If there are no legal grounds for intervening what do you expect the police to do?

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Why do the supporters of all these games wear Glasgow Celtic jerseys?’

    Some of the supporters of the native sports wear Celtic jerseys because they are Celtic supporters Drift. I don’t have a celtic jersey, I do have a Redskins one, among others….are you only allowed to be interested in one sport Drift?

    Anymore idiotic questions?

    UMH

    ‘and sad as it might be that the tricolour doesn’t represent those living in N.Ireland’

    Unfortunately for you it does. The tricolour pre-dates the partition of our country and whilst you are free to choose your flag, so am I.

  • Peter Fyfe

    RepublicnStones,

    Don’t be silly, sure we all just wear our celtic tops to wind people up. How could we support a scottish team when we are from a different country? That would be like somebody from here following a team from manchester, liverpool or london, absolute madness it would be.

  • With regard to GAA and Irish cultural issues, it’s best to ignore Driftwood – he has a proven track record as a poor man’s wind-up merchant.

    With regard to every issue, it’s best to ignore UMH’s contributions.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]Unfortunately for you it does.”[/i]

    No it doesn’t.

    “[/i]The tricolour pre-dates the partition of our country and whilst you are free to choose your flag, so am I.”[/i]

    but you never defeated us Unionists in Ulster, so your flag only represents the Irish state, the only part of the island where you could get away with being a prod-hating Republican bigot.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘but you never defeated us Unionists in Ulster’

    Jesus wept…what age are you?

    ‘so your flag only represents the Irish state’

    Incorrect again…it represents every irish person who chooses to accept it.

    ‘the only part of the island where you could get away with being a prod-hating Republican bigot.’

    I’ll refer you to my first question again.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “Incorrect again…it represents every irish person who chooses to accept it.”

    More Irish baloney. Look at your own Irish constitution you silly man. The description of the flag is under the state section.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Maybe the irish government needs to make it clear to them that the flag represents the Irish state and sad as it might be that the tricolour doesn’t represent those living in N.Ireland’

    I take it then UMH that the following were slips of the tongue 😉

    ‘so your flag only represents the Irish state’
    (exhibit A – ‘your’)

    ‘Look at your own Irish constitution you silly man’
    (exhibit B – ‘your’)

    It seems like you’re arguing against yourself UMH.
    Nevermind the fact that Bunreacht Na hÉireann descirbes its as the national flag of Ireland. now read what it also states about people born in the north and then get back to me.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]It seems like you’re arguing against yourself UMH. Nevermind the fact that Bunreacht Na hÉireann descirbes its as the national flag of Ireland. now read what it also states about people born in the north and then get back to me. “[/i]

    It’s in the state section which deals with the jurisdiction of the 26 counties (Irish State). Hard luck and dream on. LOL

  • Billy the Bollix

    UMH do you spend every 12th of July studying Bunreacht na hÉireann, or just the rainy ones?

  • Mark McGregor

    All the flags on the main street were removed last night. I assume by people engaging in 11th night cultural activities. I’ll have a blog together later.

  • Mark McGregor

    Sorry slightly inaccurate. Not all the flags on the main street were removed. The ones on the Orange Arch and at the Orange hall were left alone as usual. Only one cultural display of flags is attacked in Crumlin.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    Maybe it was an act of God, Mark? he’s possibly not an Antrim supporter.

  • Reader

    Mark McGregor: All the flags on the main street were removed last night.
    Do you reckon they were removed by Glasgow Rangers supporters?

  • Ulster Native

    Surely the removal of such flags is illegal!?

    I have read various reports over the years, Nationalists removing Unionist flags in towns in the north and being arrested!

    Putting G.A.A flags up in a majority nationalist town….whats wrong with that?
    I didn’t hear/read the Nationalist majority of that town attempting to take down the ‘orange arch’, defunct ‘N.I flags’ and ‘union flags’? Maybe they would be arrested doing so?