Maze to be delisted?

Sammy Wilson is about to go to the Economics portfolio. However, in his current role as Enviroment Minister he has asked his officials to look at the possibility of delisting the Maze prison site. This has long been called for by Jim Allister and such a move could be seen as a way to gain hard line support. However, any delisting especially if it then led to demolition of the buildings would be extremely unpopular with republicans.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    And there was me thinking that bull-dozing Republican pipe-dreams (Bawbybowl, and sundry lesser shrines) was purely metaphorical. A tremendous wheeze, and the sooner it happens the better. And it’s of course exactly the opposite of what this site’s biggest b*llsh*tter assured us would happen – http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/its-an-ex-stadium-plan-for-maze/P50/ – happy days are here again &c.

  • Seceder

    The merits or otherwise of delisting (it should never have been listed in the first place)the maze site are irrelevant, if Sammy does this it simply proves who’s driving the DUP agenda – Jim Allister!

    Any move to placate the Hardliners will prove the way to make Robbo and his entourage squeal is to squeeze them politically because they have no principles just interests- solely their own!

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Yeah, how dreadful of democratic politicians to have heard what the electorate said to them, and then pay heed to the voters. Never would have happened in Trimble’s day!

  • exile

    Storm’s a brewin’. No, this will not go down well within the broader Catholic community, whatever their muted misgivings on the morality of the Hunger Strike. Indeed, Seceder is spot on to state that “if Sammy does this it simply proves who’s driving the DUP agenda – Jim Allister”.

    Direct rule will be administered here within 18 months. Catholics won’t stand for it and we’re getting back to square one again. Trouble trouble.

    P.S. L(T)U i.e. Lord Trimble, has to be the most obnoxious, condescending and sneeringly insecure contributor to this site.

  • Seceder

    No problems with the move but just proves the current “headless chicken” policy making on the hoof format being followed by Robbo and his mates.

    Problems will arise though when we need policy based on principle as opposed to the wind driven crap we’re being fed now – things like should we pay water charges, should P&J be devolved, how should the cuts in public service be made – things that need political principles, policies that drive decisions – up until now we have been driven by personal advantage it’s crap

  • iluvni

    Excellent by Wilson.
    The sooner the festering sore is flattened the better.

  • George

    I’m with Allister, this seems like bluster.

    I’m not well up on planning law in NI but I assume that there has to be a proposed development in place in order for the Maze to be de-listed.

    I also assume that not only does there have to be a planned development, there also has to be full planning permission for this development and all legal options to protect the building have been exhausted.

    Which company is lining up in NI to build something in this economic environment on such a controversial site?

    But it should run nicely all the way to the 2010 Westminster election. What a joke.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Fabulous piece of man-playing bile there by ould Exile. But wait! Gezza’s called off the knee-capping: you can come home now! Trebled bitterness all round!

  • Dec

    It sorts of knocks Patrick Murphy’s argument about the interchangability of Nationalist and Unionist ministers into a cocked hat. Not that I totally bought that argument given what’s gone on in culture and the environment for the last few years. However it is interesting to witness the DUP merge into the Trimble-era UUP right before our eyes, desperately fighting a rearguard action against the latest hardline loyalist boogie-man pissing into mainstream unionisms’ tent. You would think the DUP would know better. Allister’s only prize is an end to power-sharing institutions. Putting away some of the decorations is only going to encourage him.

  • Seceder

    The problem though remains – how often have the DUP flexed their muscles and not delivered.

    I thinks this willl again be a false dawn for those of us who hope that the site will be flattened

  • Dec

    Fabulous piece of man-playing bile there by ould Exile.

    LU

    And your reference to “this site’s biggest b*llsh*tter” was what, exactly?

  • fin

    what happens next is irrelevant, its been proposed and it will gain votes for Sinn Fein, and the sizable chunk of unionism that can’t be bothered to vote because of this political rubbish from their ‘representatives’ will continue not to vote.

    The TUVites want to split the unionist vote so SF gets First Minister, and the DUP seem intent on proving that a SF vote is worthwhile. Happy days.

    I hope LTU and Co. ensure they spread their message load and clear so as many nationalists as possible get to read them.

    Worth bearing in mind however that the marching season is in full swing and all unionist politicans will be scratching around for some ‘nationalist bashing’ material to give to the loyal orders, all 37,000 of them.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    And your reference to “this site’s biggest b*llsh*tter” was what, exactly? – a consistent, triumphant and almost Pete Bakerishly well-documented campaign against said b*llsh*t!

  • Bisto

    Jim Allister has been calling for delisting of the Maze. Now a government minister asks his officials to investigate the scope for doing so, he says it’s bluster. Could it be that Jim Allister called for de-listing whilst knowing legally that it can’t be delivered.

    After all it wouldn’t be like Allister to set up unachievable demands would it?!?!

  • eranu

    on another thread someone jokingly suggested building the waste incinerator on the maze site. but when you think about it, isnt a free site miles from a populated area that can be reached relatively easily by trucks, the perfect place for it? wouldnt the best thing to do with a north foreshore waterfront city based site be to build some kind of titanic signature project… ahem, sorry, i mean apartment / residential type development?
    if the ira supporters really want to worship the H blocks why not just move them somewhere they are wanted? dont republicans want things to happen only where they are wanted? perhaps some run down area in west belfast could benefit from this ‘tourist attraction’ ?

  • Dec

    Why isn’t Sammy looking at the possibility of delisting Crumlin Road jail? After all, it housed Republicans and plans exist to turn it into a museum.

  • Silverline

    Strange TUV said there would be the football stadium on the site that was stopeed now DUP are looking to delist prison block and your still crying catch yourself on Tutgon

  • Le Corbusier

    I’m with Allister, this seems like bluster.

    I’m not well up on planning law in NI but I assume that there has to be a proposed development in place in order for the Maze to be de-listed.

    I also assume that not only does there have to be a planned development, there also has to be full planning permission for this development and all legal options to protect the building have been exhausted.

    Which company is lining up in NI to build something in this economic environment on such a controversial site?

    But it should run nicely all the way to the 2010 Westminster election. What a joke.

    Posted by George on Jun 29, 2009 @ 03:54 PM

    George,

    There doesn’t have to be any development proposal as a listing or delisting decision is taken by the NIEA (DOE) in consultation with the local council (Lisburn) and the independent Historic Buildings Council – this can happen at any time.

    Anyhow, even if the structures were de-listed it still wouldn’t necessarily mean that they would either be demolished or that the site would never become a museum. It is owned by the government after all! It’s theirs to do what they will…

    I’m not completely certain of Sammy’s motives for this move just before he leaves the DOE. Maybe he just wants to annoy the Shinners? Or perhaps be seen to be throwing a few crumbs at the DUPers beleaguered support hungry for a go at them-uns!

    Anyhow, I don’t see how delisting can actually be brought about given that the Historic Buildings Council supported listing only 3 years ago as did, I presume, the local council?

    Also, I can’t for the life of me understand why he would propose such a thing just before a new DUPer takes over, particularly one who was previous a member of the aforementioned local council and a supporter of the maze project. Any thoughts?

    I personally thing it should remain listed and restored as a monument of the folly that was the last 40 years! Future generations would, I believe, find it difficult to understand the devastation that their ancestors wrought without physically having a contested site to visit which housed all sides (ditto Crumlin Road Gaol and Armagh Gaol). History is not just about the good bits…

  • eranu

    dec, probably because its one of the few old victorian (i guess) buildings there are left in belfast. old architecture combined with, im sure, plenty of stories about how crims were dealt with in the olden days. it could make a great tourist attraction. isnt there an underground tunnel to some prison cells or something? they could dress it up in period decor and put in a few actors and do something entertaining along the lines of edinburgh or london dungeons. for anyone whos been to those 2 places, imagine actors playing out a court scene with judge jury and evil criminal in chains. as the tourists walk along the spooky tunnel a half crazed victorian murderer could jump out and rattle his chains, could be scary 🙂

    or they could just gut it and turn it into a hotel… that’s the last plan I heard about it. it would be a shame and such a waste for that to happen.

  • Intelligence Insider

    Robinson has, in one fell swoop, removed any politician who could have ever proved a threat to him. He knows that he is facing a disaster at the next election and, like his friends in the Labour Party, has moved too little too late. I look forward to seeing the incoming Conservative & Unionist government finally ridding us of the Dictatorial Unionist Party once and for all.

  • joeCanuck

    Sammy is just a wind-up merchant, and pretty good at it too.

  • Babi Sandz

    Level it, listed or not.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Ah build a housing estate on it then.

    Give them whatever they want.

    Unionists have got their way by preventing a shared stadium being built for NI.

    Out of sight, out of mind, however it will never change history!

    The Nile flows through plains in Africa.

    Denial flows through veins in Northern IRELAND.

  • fin

    Meanwhile, a huge Irish government investment at the ‘Battle of the Boyne’ site continues.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    “[i]However, any delisting especially if it then led to demolition of the buildings would be extremely unpopular with republicans.”[/i]

    Depends which republican group you belong to. Adams, McFarland and Morrison might agree to demolish it. 😀

  • Driftwood

    Simple demolition, there is a precedent..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandau_Prison

  • kensei

    Drift

    Are you just addicted to trolling and violating Godwin at every opportunity? Tedious.

  • Dec

    Driftwood

    Nice invoking of Godwin’s law.
    As I pointed out previously there is a precedent, rather closer to home, for not simply airbrushing our history and pretending it all never happened.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    eranu

    “[i]on another thread someone jokingly suggested building the waste incinerator on the maze site. but when you think about it, isnt a free site miles from a populated area that can be reached relatively easily by trucks, the perfect place for it?”[/i]

    It would be the perfect place for it.

  • brian

    would make a good gippo camp romas ect all get the bus back after taramacing n selling tellys