McCausland to go to culture

The BBC is reporting that there is speculation that Nelson McCausland, who has declared that a ‘culture war’ exists in the North may be appointed as Culture Minister.

McCausland is without much doubt the most anti-Irish language MLA in the assembly and has been a long term opponent of the language. Surely it would be a retrograde step to appoint him as Culture minister in a divided society, but with the DUP grabbing defeat from the jaws a victory, hardly a surprise.

Will a new generation of Irish speakers will now brace for a fresh battle with an agressive state? Undoubtedly.

  • RG Cuan

    McCausland – the man with a Gaelic name who hates all things Gaelic.

    It would be a very unwise decision for the DUP to put Mr Anti-Culture in such a position and indeed would suggest their first TUV-influenced move, despite all their talk since yesterday about moving forward and that power-sharing was the only option.

    Beidh muid réidh duit a mhaco!

  • Congal Claen

    Hi RG,

    Indeed. Only surpassed by those living in the British Isles who hate all things British. Even the name British Isles nearly sends them nuclear. Which incidentally is the submit word…

  • fin

    although from recent days it seems an ILA is not dead, and its also not in the DUPs hands, possibly McCausland is been handed a couple of hot potatoes, will he be in the post quick enough to hold a reception for the all Ireland Cricket team,

    he should be there for any victorious NI GAA team this summer

    for sure he’ll be there for any possible reception for the All Ireland rugby team next year

    will he jump through the necessary hoops or prefer to go elsewhere

  • pete whitcroft

    Sounds like Sammy in Environment.

  • RG Cuan

    Going by what he’s said and done so far, McCausland would probably be opening the new cabbage patch at the Ulster Scots Is For Unionists Only (USIFUO) cabin outside Coill na Baice, sorry Cullybackey.

    The event would be very important indeed and much preparation would go into making the tea and sandwiches for the 4.5 English speakers attending.

  • loki

    Oh dear God, give me strength. DUP moves back into their traditional helpful stance and attempts to court the Catholic vote once again.

    Submit word “change”- not much chance of that is there?

  • JR

    Following in the footsteps of Sammy Wilson as environment minister it seems the DUP are insistent on appointing the least appropriate candidate for a given job. As a nationalist and a Gaelgoir it is hard to understand the anti Irish Language lobby really. Gaeilge is just a language. Maybe someone with a negative view of the language could explain?

    I think the appointment is kind of irrelevant though, it will have no effect on my language use.

  • Dec

    We’re clearly entering the twilight of the Assembley here so I’ll not get too worked up about this. Expect repeated attempts to divert the entire departmental budget towards the Ulster-Scootch Agency, the proposal of an Our Willie theme Park at the Maze site and multiple Ministerial expense claims for footwear.

  • Neil

    Unionism just loves to shoot itself in the foot. That’s what they did with Sammy, and that’s what they’ll do with McCauseland. It must be tough to be as British as Finchley, yet at the same time when you look across at those Brits in England, Scotland and Wales and they look back at you like you were a raving lunatic.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi JR,

    It is just a language and belongs to all. However, it has been used for political ends. In the Republic, amongst other issues, it has been used to discriminate against non gaelic speakers in jobs that require absolutely no logical use of the language.

    Irish Presbeterians saved the language. Perhaps it’s the gaelic lobby that needs to ask itself why they largely turned against it?

  • GGN

    Remember folks, its speculation.

    However it seems to me that the DUP will attempt to rule so badly, and so one sidely, that Sinn Féin will be under pressure to withdraw from the executive.

    The sad reality is that being anti-Irish language is a vote winner.

    C’est la vie.

  • nemesis

    Dec

    i’m still laughin at your post (8)……superb!!

    lmao

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Neil,

    Finchley is a late saxon settlement dating from about the 13th century. Those of an Ulster Scots background would have considered themselves “British” for over a millenium prior to this. So, therefore we’re actually more British than Finchley.

    More importantly, if you consider yourself gaelic, you also are more British than Finchley. I can just imagine you looking back at me as if I were “a raving lunatic”. But, that’s because you have ignorance on your side.

  • pith

    Jim Allister, eh? Running against the DUP one day, running it the next.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    JR: “As a nationalist and a Gaelgoir it is hard to understand the anti Irish Language lobby really. Gaeilge is just a language”. Who can possibly say why unionists pour scorn on lingusitic advocates who feel at all times the need also to advanace an explicit, partisan political agenda (whilst dneying that they’re do that, whilst, er, doing exactly that). But thanks for quite so witlessly illustrating the truth of the matter.

  • Darrell Monteith

    Much nonsense is talked about the Irish language mostly in English. Any further spending on promotion of a largely defunct language would be frankly criminal in the light of the many far more important demands on resources.

    The same goes for Ulster Scotch, interest in either language is fine for anyone’s hobby but to try to make either a mainstream language is somewhat ridiculous.

    I have spent my life in Northern Ireland traveled numerous times to many parts of Southern Ireland and never ever heard anyone speak the language except when Sinn fein try to turn it into some sort of political football

  • Jonrus

    Please tell me you’re joking. Do you really think Britain was a nation in the 13th Century?

  • Fermanagh Young Unionist

    Surely if McCausland would be so bad in Culture then it is equally wrong to have Ruane in the Education post?

    Its just I don’t see many of the comments above complaining about the insular approach she has taken over the developing chaos in our education sector.

    And before the Shinners start moaning about this they should remember that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  • The Impartial Observer

    BBC are reporting that Sammy will be replaced at Environment by Edwin Poots! The man who wanted the Giant’s Causeway Visitors Centre to contain a creationist exhibit explaining how the Causeway was created in 6 days! I’m feeling nostalgic for Sammy already!

    I’ve no problem at all with people having a sincere religious belief. What I do object to is people dressing religious belief up in psuedo-science clothes as creationism and forcing on other people.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Jonrus,

    Assuming that was at me, no. Where did I say that?

  • Darrell Monteith

    “forcing on other people”

    The theory of evolution is just that and is based on a mish mash of writings and speculation. Its so-called author Charles Darwin actually repudiated most of his early writings before his death.

    This theory is forced upon us daily under the guise of science

  • Reader

    This is good news surely? After all, if McCausland wants to spend money on Ulster Scots, he’ll have to match that spending on Irish too.
    Bad news for the zero-sum players, of course.

  • iluvni

    Poots again, McCausland, Ruane, Murphy….Is there no start to the talent in the DUP and Sinn Fein?

    Close this whole Stormont farce down and stop wasting everyone’s money.

  • RG Cuan

    FYU

    Its just I don’t see many of the comments above complaining about the insular approach she has taken over the developing chaos in our education sector.

    This thread is about the possible new Culture Minister, that’s why we weren’t talking about education.

    DARRELL

    I have spent my life in Northern Ireland traveled numerous times to many parts of Southern Ireland and never ever heard anyone speak the language except when Sinn fein try to turn it into some sort of political football.

    Come out with myself and a few friends in Belfast on Friday or Saturday and you can listen to Gaelic all night if you like!

  • JR

    Hi Congal,
    I take your point about discrimination against non Gaeilge speakers in the south and I am aware of the huge connection between the Presbyterian community and the Irish language. However I don’t think this is at the root of the anti Irish Language movement.

    Tory Unionst,
    I am not advancing any agenda. I want to Understand the views of my neighbors, that is what this forum is about. I don’t understand the rest of your post.

  • SM

    Charles Darwin actually repudiated most of his early writings before his death.
    Posted by Darrell Monteith on Jun 09, 2009 @ 05:33 PM

    Lies, though oft repeated, are still lies

  • The Impartial Observer

    Well there’s a lot more evidence in support of evolution than for creationism!

    Don’t suppose you have evidence in support of your claim that Darwin repudiated his early work? To me this looks like Lady Hope Story, something that his children denied ever happened.

  • granni trixie

    re NMcC: at least he has a demonstratable interest in culture and this would be a big chance for him to show himself a professional and in the present economic climate use resources ‘smartly’.

  • scientisit

    “The theory of evolution is just that”

    You clearly don’t understand what a theory is. You may be mistaking it with a hypothesis.

  • Greenflag

    ‘When I heard the word
    culture I go for my gun’

    attrib -Herman Goering

    ‘When I hear the word culture I wonder what it means even though I’m the heid yin for culture ‘

    attrib- Nelson ‘Admiral’ McCausland

    Once again congrats to the DUP . They certainly are playing a stormer in re-invigorating Irish language supporters in NI .

    Monteith ‘

    There were several aspects to evolution which Darwin could not know simply because he did not have the technology at the time . German researchers are now about 60% of the way through analysis of the Neanderthal genome . Recent work has focused on those parts of the brain responsible for communication. This area seems to be have been very underdeveloped among the Neanderthals . German researchers have been startled to have heard the first ‘voice’ sounds coming from a refabricated Neanderthal larynx . One remarked to his colleagues that the only place he ever heard anything like those sounds was when he was passing through Ballymena on his way to visit the Giants Causeway on a recent holiday 🙁

  • “Culture War”?

    Hmmmm….That reminds me of a fellow here in the States, the Culture Warrior of Levittown, Bill O’Reilly of Rupert Murdoch’s Fox Network.

    Of course, the American Right rallies for invasions of countries on the grounds of non-existent weaponry just as they declare “culture wars” to defend a culture that they don’t have.

    One would expect better from an Ulsterman than emulation of the very worst on this side of the pond.

  • Paul

    Darrel

    Really? You have never heard Irish spoken?

    I heard it and I was only in nIreland for 2 months and it wasnt a set up it was 2 delightful young ladies having lunch in a pub in Randalstown

  • columbo

    BBC reporting that Dodds to leave Finance. Any thoughts on who will get that post. They speculate that one of the other MPs (ie Wilson or Campbell or even Donaldson) will stay in the Executive. So it is bound to be one of those three or Foster isnt it? Or is it someone new. They mention Weir may join the Executive. Suppose you could not rule out Hamilton either

  • Maeglin

    Nelson is a very intelligent and much under-rated politician. I think all would be surprised by his ability in post if he gains office.

  • pith

    Columbo: “BBC reporting that Dodds to leave Finance. Any thoughts on who will get that post?”

    Iris Robinson?

  • oneill

    Greenflag,

    ‘When I heard the word
    culture I go for my gun’

    attrib -Herman Goering

    Nope.
    “Wenn ich Kultur höre … entsichere ich meinen Browning!”

    Spoken by Friedrich Thiemann in the play Schlageter, written by Hanns Johst. Nothing to do with Goering (or Nelson McCausland) although Thieman did end up (if I remember correctly) a Nazi “martyr”.

    McCausland in charge of culture, Poots with environment, keep Ruane at education…that should do it nicely. I give it 2 months max before the Assembly implodes in a cloud of ridicule.

  • iain

    Why would Dodds leave Finance?

    Is it easier to slip back to Westminster where he can flounce in and out whenever he wants…as opposed to having a job to do where his results are going to be scrutnised much more closely in the coming months.

  • Greenflag

    ‘Why would Dodds leave Finance?’

    Gordon Brown and Brian Cowen might have given him a heads up on where not to be when the fit hits the shan 😉

    To remain politically upwardly mobile i.e promotable it’s usually a shrewd move not to be sitting in the wrong chair when the gravy train music stops and is replaced by a soup wagon staffed by hair shirts .

  • Eddie

    #

    Charles Darwin actually repudiated most of his early writings before his death.
    Posted by Darrell Monteith on Jun 09, 2009 @ 05:33 PM

    Well, he couldn’t have done it after, could he???

  • Greenflag

    Herr O’neill ,

    ‘although Thieman did end up (if I remember correctly) a Nazi “martyr”.’

    So too did Schlageter .

    BTW I did say attributed to , which is not exactly proof of originality . The only ‘originals’ Goering with were works of art from the Louvre -the Hermitage (Leningrad) and anywhere else he could ignore the local museum staff at will !

    But I thank you for your genauigkeit und achtung auf der spitze usw !

    I suppose somebody should notify Trinity College of this McCausland boor . Keep him away from the Book of Kells and anything remotely connected with Irish just in case he’s tempted ;)?

  • Greenflag

    Eddie ,

    ‘Well, he couldn’t have done it after, could he?’

    Eddie -careful . There are those north of the border who’s adherence to the doctrine of the world is only 6.000 years old is an absolute moral imperative i.e like the TUV – and that God is playing a massive practical joke on everybody by ‘deliberately ‘ doctoring every geological strata in the earths crust to make it look like it’s billions of years old .

    Monteith may even hold the view that the reason Darwin has not come back to recant his theory is because the Devil won’t let him .

    But let’s not go there -this thread is about ‘culture ‘ not geology 😉

  • Reader

    Greenflag: Keep him away from the Book of Kells and anything remotely connected with Irish just in case he’s tempted
    The book of Kells is in Latin. It was centuries before anyone translated its contents into Irish.

  • Daphné Tremble

    Laughing (Tory) Unionist:

    How are *you* today, my Lord?

  • Nordie Northsider

    JR wrote: I think the appointment is kind of irrelevant though, it will have no effect on my language use.

    I take your point but the sad truth is that Foras na Gaeilge, the Irish-language promotion agency, is a crossborder body answerable to the ministers both North and South. Nelson is a position to sabotage their work.

  • slug

    To be fair Nelson McCausland is one of only a few MLAs to have achieved entrance to Oxford or Cambridge so he is well educated.

  • Greenflag

    ,

    ‘reader,

    The book of Kells is in Latin. ‘

    Shure yer man would’nt know the difference . Haven’t there been cases of people in that part of NI burning down advertisements and traffic signs in Ulster Scots because they thought it was Irish ?

    The fact that he gained entrance to Oxford and Cambridge is besides the point . Half the feckers who destroyed the British economy with hare brained economic policies over the past 40 odd years, have been Oxford or Cambridge or LSE graduates ?

    Sorry slug -your reverence for academic achievement is all very well but ‘results ‘ in the real world is what’s wanted .

    A ‘truly’ educated Oxonian or Cambridge man would not speak as yer man McCausland has in respect of the Irish language or indeed any other of the 6,000 languages on the planet.

  • OC

    T’would be a shame to ignore the ILA issue. As well as P&J. Both of these issues, if fairly worked out, could well make a UI an irrelevancy.

    I’m assuming here, of course, that Gaelic Culturalism is not synonymous with Irish Nationalism.

    Submit word = “theory”

  • Reader

    Greenflag: …or indeed any other of the 6,000 languages on the planet.
    How many will there be in 50 years from now?
    Greenflag: Haven’t there been cases of people in that part of NI burning down advertisements and traffic signs in Ulster Scots because they thought it was Irish ?
    It was a street name sign in Newtownards. I doubt it was an Oxbridge graduate that did it, but very likely a co-religionist of Nelson McCausland, so by all means let rip with the sweeping generalisations.

  • Paddy Matthews

    I have a vague memory of Iris Robinson back in the 80s raising merry hell over “Irish-language” advertisements on buses in Belfast…

    …which turned out to be in French.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “To be fair Nelson McCausland is one of only a few MLAs to have achieved entrance to Oxford or Cambridge so he is well educated.”

    Oh indeed, but such an education is valueless if one is tinged with prejudice!

  • Ulsters my homeland

    I can’t want to next years St. Paddy’s day in Washington. Nelson the traditionalist will want the St. Patrick’s flag flying along with the Star and stripes.

  • More Of The Same

    More bile from the Irish lobby. It is little wonder that unionists have no time for an ILA as they recognise it is the cultural overcoat donned by militant republicans.

  • Salem

    Now i appreciate giving that the DUPs got a kicking – what were they expecting with that disgrace of a candidate and sectarian campaign ! That they want to become more hardline but WTF are they thinking putting Nelson McCausland into the DCAL role ?

  • Dec

    T’would be a shame to ignore the ILA issue. As well as P&J. Both of these issues, if fairly worked out, could well make a UI an irrelevancy.

    I’m assuming here, of course, that Gaelic Culturalism is not synonymous with Irish Nationalism.

    OC

    If you re-read your comments, it would seem you’re the one making the direct link between the two.

  • OC

    Posted by Dec on Jun 10, 2009 @ 11:45 AM, quo he,

    “If you re-read your comments, it would seem you’re the one making the direct link between the two.”

    How so?

  • Greenflag

    Reader ,

    ‘How many will there be in 50 years from now?

    Hang on a minute while I look into my crystal ball . It has’nt been working too well recently except for the stock market 🙂 . Lets see now. |The cloud slowly dissipatres and yes the number is 3,456, with 1690 on life support, while another 953 are down to less than 200 native speakers. But hang on that still leaves one unaccounted for . As I look closer yes it’s appearing now – aha – yes Ulster Scots is hanging on but at that future time will be the only language being used as a linguistic weapon of resistance, being mainly seen painted on the ends of gable walls and in public toilets in the north east of Northern Ireland . It has become the TUV’s main weapon in it’s resistance to a UI .The TUV in 2059 continues to steadfastly maintain it’s non violent opposition to power sharing with members of the Northern Ireland Nationalist majority – because the grandchildren of murderers are also murderers unto the ninth generation and God said that somewhere in the guid book anyway . Paint shops in Newtonards , Ballymena and Carrickfergus however report brisk sales .
    .

    paddy matthews ,

    ‘which turned out to be French ‘

    LOL – brilliant 🙂 Vraiment 🙂 or as the French Legionaire would have said in toast
    ‘A nos cheveaux a nos femmes et a ceux qui les montes ‘ AND NO he was’nt toasting Iris 😉

    Despite the good Mrs Robinson being a lady who babbles in tongues of the Pentecostal twitching and jerking variety (sfaik none of the latter are known to be included in any lexicon of the world’s languages) – it’s clear her linguistic capabilities are far overshadowed by her political talents.

    I can imagine her present colourful verbiage in light of the current election result.

    *&*&%#@&**@*&#@ etc 🙂

  • Greenflag

    ‘*&*&%#@&**@*&#@ etc 🙂

    BTW -that’s not French or Irish either 😉

    I’ve no idea what it would sound like in tongue i.e pentecostal but probably less colourful and expletive rich than Ralph Fiennes (Harry) in the film ‘In Bruges ‘ !

  • Bisto

    The DUP will be delighted that the prospect of Oxbridge-educated McCausland becoming DCAL Minister causes such revulsion amongst the Irish Language fanatics.

  • Con

    The DUP have indeed learned the lesson from Jim Allister well that sticking it to the fenians is the way to succeed. In this case, there’s nothing like anti-Irish racism to muster up support in the unionist heartlands.

  • Greenflag

    Con –

    ‘there’s nothing like anti-Irish racism to muster up support in the unionist heartlands.’

    And nothing like it to boost support for SF at the expense of the SDLP .

    While we should’nt underestimate Allister’s vote it will take a general election to gauge his real impact among unionists . As has been stated by others the opposition to power sharing among Unionists is not what it once was . The days of 100,000 plus mobs marching on Stormont to get rid of the SDLP extremists in Faulkner’s short lived power sharing cabinet are over .

    Could they return under the TUV ?

    Mmm?

  • Bisto

    Con

    “anti-Irish racism”? Sorry, this from the lobby that openly mocks, ridicules and derides Ulster-Scots as “a made up language” and displays overt hostility to anyone who dares to suggest that an Irish Language Act might noit be a good use of public money?

    What the IL lobby want is extra favours, not equality. Campbell, his predeccesor and his successor have delivered equality, but equality isnt the real agenda here amongst the IL cheerleaders.

  • GGN

    “this from the lobby that openly mocks, ridicules and derides Ulster-Scots as “a made up language””

    The irony is that the Irish language lobby has probably been the most supportive of the ulster-scots language on slugger and elsewhere.

    I challenge anyone to find anything put out by an Irish language group negative to Ulster-Scots.

    The reality is that most of the negativity has been generated by unionist commentators such as Newton Emerson etc, as I have highlighted on Slugger.

    However what is clear that some unionists are projecting attitudes onto the Irish language ‘lobby’ that cannot be attributed to it.#

    BTW, thars nae many aboot what ken keap her hamely and use tha oul spakes like mesel.

  • SM

    Ulster Scots is good fun, but its not a language, just the typical DUP reaction to provide an equivalent item to each of those possessed by themmuns, thus maintaining the false difference between themmuns and us.

    For the record I’m a Unionist, and most others I know who have expressed an opinion on Ulster Scots are similarly minded.

  • neil

    Ulster Scots

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots

    Enthusiasts such as Philip Robinson, author of “Ulster-Scots: A Grammar of the Traditional Written and Spoken Language”, the Ulster-Scots Language Society and supporters of an Ulster-Scots Academy are of the opinion that Ulster Scots is a language in its own right. That position has been criticised by the Ulster-Scots Agency, a BBC report stating: “[The Agency] accused the academy of wrongly promoting Ulster-Scots as a language distinct from Scots.”. A position reflected in many of the Academic responses to the “Public Consultation on Proposals for an Ulster-Scots Academy” Aodán Mac Póilin has written that “The case for Ulster-Scots being a distinct language, made at a time when the status of Scots itself was insecure, is so bizarre that it is unlikely to have been a linguistic argument.”

    If this is the opinions of the Ulster Scots Agency, then God help you with your desire to see it treated as a language.

  • David Russell

    Now now, its not as if us Down South have never put the wrong minister in the wrong job- we once had a Gaeltacht minister who counldn;t speak Irish and don’t we have a morbidly obese Minister for Health?

  • RepublicanStones

    And a finance minister without a bank account 😉

  • RG Cuan

    A hae te say tha i’m wi’ Gael Gan Náire on this wan – us Gaelic spakers are quare an’ supportive of tha hamely tongue.

    Nelson himsel cannae e’en spake her for fuc’s saek.

    Maybe I could get a grant to translate that to (from?) English, but that’s another issue…

  • Reader

    Neil: If this is the opinions of the Ulster Scots Agency, then God help you with your desire to see it treated as a language.
    Read it again. Especially “wrongly promoting Ulster-Scots as a language distinct from Scots.” Note that they are saying 1) Scots is a language and 2) Ulster Scots is the same as Scots.
    So, based on the article you quoted so approvingly, it is a language, and it isn’t English.
    Switch on the cash registers, boys!

  • Gael gan Náire

    RG,

    Wha I jist cannae understaun at aw hi, an mine ye A niver did ither, is foreby wha thon buck dissnae make nae effort at aw at aw at aw for tae kaep her hamely some way nor ather.

    A heared tha ye yersel spaked scot wi Nelson yersel once nor twa?

  • RG Cuan

    That’s richt Gael, a spaked til him once or twa but he niver was fit te repone tae me. They uised tae hae a guid wee fone-spakin’ nummer ye coud caw up an’ lave them a wee message or twa but a hink it’s awa’ the nou.

    Oíche mhaith!

  • SM

    GGN & RG Cuan

    Thank you for an hilarious demonstration of how Ulster Scots is not a separate language from English 🙂 It always amuses me to read a transliteration of how culchies speak 🙂