Minister’s house attacked in Camlough…

Sinn Fein has a presser out this morning noting that the house of Conor Murphy has been attacked:

The home of Newry Armagh MP Conor Murphy has been attacked in the early hours of this morning (Friday June 5th). The Sinn Féin Regional Development Minister praised the response of the Fire Service and said that he would not be deflected from representing the local community or working towards Irish Unity.

Two cars were damaged in the attack on the family home in Camlough; the family home was vandalised with paint and there was scorch damage to a number of windows. The area remains cordoned off.

They have another reporting the closure of two polling stations in Lurgan (Tannaghmore and the Model Primary Schools) due to bomb scares… There would appear to be an anti election squeeze on…

  • Disgusted

    Disgusting, murdering Conor Murphy and his family serves no republican cause. These people should be caught and locked up.

  • RG Cuan

    Ridiculous and dangerous fools. You really have to question their intelligence if they think attacking the house of republican representatives will bring about a re-united Ireland. The sooner more members of these groups get arrested the better.

  • slug

    Shameful to attack anyones home.

  • dunreavynomore

    Totally wrong as well as stupid.

  • DC

    Friday 5th today’s Thursday isn’t it? Or is it?

  • RGC, people are mere pawns in the wars of the ideologues.

    Also, the actions of London and Dublin have sent out a clear signal that if you restrict your barbaric activities to our mean streets and country lanes then not only may you get a ‘stay out of jail’ card you may also get a welcome in Áras an Uachtaráin.

    Meanwhile Joe and Josey Public try to keep their heads below the parapet and pray that the Grim Reaper doesn’t coming knocking on their door – or hurling a petrol bomb through their window.

  • fin

    “Meanwhile Joe and Josey Public try to keep their heads below the parapet and pray that the Grim Reaper doesn’t coming knocking on their door – or hurling a petrol bomb through their window.”

    Yes Nevin, but as a SF representative Conor Murphy doesn’t have that luxury, especially, when Orde, unionism, and both governments insist on trial by media for such things as the Quinn murder, where in the real world there is no evidence only gossip. Yet Murphy and his colleagues are prodded to condemn, condemn and condemn, and hand names to the police and come clean and face the Quinn family on camera etc etc.

    Sinn Fein has moved the republican movement a long way, yet to the annoyance of others have kept it in pretty much on piece, but its fairly stretched now and it will be interesting to see what happens if others continue to dig their heels in and not meet them half-way.

  • sj1

    Yes Nevin, but as a SF representative Conor Murphy doesn’t have that luxury, especially, when Orde, unionism, and both governments insist on trial by media for such things as the Quinn murder, where in the real world there is no evidence only gossip. Yet Murphy and his colleagues are prodded to condemn, condemn and condemn, and hand names to the police and come clean and face the Quinn family on camera etc etc.

    Could someone explain to me why this is a good response to Nevins comment?

    The mind boggles….

  • oracle

    Call me an old sceptic if you must…..

    But someone answer me this why is it only Sinn Fein representatives get their homes attacked and not members of the IRA that are affiliated to S/F

    … But only at election times or when SF are in need of a little bit of public sympathy

    These silly nationalist publicity stunts must stop, one day as the stunts becomes bigger and better for TV and PRESS someone will end up dying so I’m calling on the spin doctors to stop it and stop it now

  • jone

    oracle, care to share your evidence with us and the cops?

    Or is OK to throw potentially libelous allegations around without bothering with trifles like proof?

  • fin, Conor now finds himself in a real predicament, in a sort of no man’s land.

    He’s open to physical attack by other republicans and by loyalists and he’s a hypocrite if he condemns their barbaric and other criminal activities.

    The Good Samaritan would come to his aid but the clergy, the Levite and the subnaturalists would probably look away.

    Conor isn’t a media virgin; his defensive comments immediately following the Quinn murder came back to haunt him. Something similar is likely to happen to him in the wake of the Rathlin ferry scandal. Let’s hope there are no victims there whilst natural justice takes its course.

  • oracle

    jone,

    republicans never stop boasting that nothing happens in south armagh without them knowing about it nothing….

    how come they didn’t know about this?

    it’s being portrayed as an attack on SF why, could it not be personal?

    why do these attacks only happen just as polling stations open or important votes within SF/IRA are taking place?

    who other than SF benefit from such crazy acts?

    But most importantly if it were former travellers of SF/IRA that carried out these attacks on SF why would they just not shoot them in the street (and no i’m not advocating that just in case some of you idiots think i am)
    after all they had no problem murdering soldiers at masseereen

    ps: jone i said im sceptical of the attacks and the coincidental timing of the events, i didnt say the spin doctors did it i said they should put a stop to it by issuing an internal memo to all members of the party that this sort of action is dangerous and fool hardy

  • nineteensixtyseven

    This is undoubtedly wrong and stupid but I find it hard to muster any sympathy given that the Provos did the same thing for years.

  • jone

    oracle…so in a nutshell it’s a old of speculative old bollocks on your part.

    And while I don’t work for Schillings I’m pretty sure your words could be taken to have a defamtory meaning.

  • fin

    “This is undoubtedly wrong and stupid but I find it hard to muster any sympathy given that the Provos did the same thing for years.”

    Bit of a Nelsontype view 1967, from my take on history it was a bit of a two way street.

    SJ1, in simple terms, SF reps can’t keep their heads down as rumour and gossip are printed as fact and repeated as fact and they are constantly challenged to condemn their support base on the basis of gossip, hence their support base is nervy and as a result these things happy.

    Let me make it simpler, does this happen to unionist politicans? why not? we have seen from recent events that unionism can be just as violent as any nationalist, the difference is unionist politicans are not hounded in public by Orde or the media to jump through hoops. Where was Orde’s press conference with his crystal ball after the McDaid murder, to tell us who was involved and responsible?

  • jone

    And apologies for my hopeless spelling.

  • OC

    Where was Orde’s press conference with his crystal ball after the McDaid murder, to tell us who was involved and responsible?

    Posted by fin on Jun 04, 2009 @ 12:42 PM

    Whataboutery at its finest.

  • iluvni

    Disgusting, murdering Conor Murphy and his family serves no republican cause. These people should be caught and locked up.

    Posted by Disgusted on Jun 04, 2009 @ 08:51 AM

    I heartily agree. And those who attacked him.

  • OC, I don’t have a problem with ‘whataboutery’; context, in itself, can be very illuminating.

    As for Orde, it’s my impression, for what it’s worth, that he’s a politician’s policeman. I think it’s most unlikely that his successors would be permitted to express an independent judgement.

  • fin

    well Dirk, its still a pants comment but it is an improvement from telling me to ‘go spit on Michael Collin’s grave’

    D’oh, feeding the Troll again

  • OC

    it is an improvement from telling me to ‘go spit on Michael Collin’s grave’

    Posted by fin on Jun 04, 2009 @ 01:17 PM

    But wouldn’t that make Collins’ assassins proud?

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    OC, I don’t have a problem with ‘whataboutery’; context, in itself, can be very illuminating.

    Posted by Nevin on Jun 04, 2009 @ 01:14 PM

    Maybe Mick Fealty can do a post on whataboutery: when it’s acceptable, and when it isn’t.

  • fin

    Nevin, I should say, although Orde continually disappoints me, I’m pragmatic enough to believe he’s as good as nationalists could hope for and we were I suppose lucky not to get much worse, I don’t think the nationalist community hold out much hope for an improvement next time round

  • dunreavynomore

    Fin
    “when Orde, unionism, and both governments insist on trial by media for such things as the Quinn murder, where in the real world there is no evidence only gossip. Yet Murphy and his colleagues are prodded to condemn, condemn and condemn, and hand names to the police and come clean and face the Quinn family on camera etc etc.”

    You should have added Murphy himself in there as he is the man who tried and convicted Paul Quinn in the media, who said it wasn’t ‘necessarily for the police’ to decide on the IRA’s involvement,and who went to faceless men and expected us to accept their assurances that they did not kill Paul Quinn.Why shouldn’t he be expected to face the family apart from his cowardice? I said earlier that the attack on chinny’s cars was wrong but if I was to go down your road of looking at all angles and wondering why an M.P. should be expected to ‘face the Quinn family on camera’ I would start wondering about a lot of other things such as, Just down the road from Murphy’s is the burnt out home of IRA man Eamonn Collins who was cut to ribbons by Murphy’s ‘comrades’ and the home later torched.
    Another bit down the road is Bessbrook where Liam Campbell was rammed by Murphy’s new found PSNI friends without a word of complaint from Murphy. At least two of the M.P’s brothers have been involved in numerous street and bar brawls causing a lot of offence. You see Fin, it is very easy to bring other issues into the thread just as you brought Paul Quinn, Ira victim in. Oracle’s point that this attack coming on the morning of an election is in itself suspicious is also valid.There are several other issues I could raise but wouldn’t do so in public. The point is that we could come up with lots of reasons for this attack ranging from ‘self harm’ on election day to to purely personal issues, to anti stormont republicans being involved and all are as equally valid as any other.

  • fin

    it is an improvement from telling me to ‘go spit on Michael Collin’s grave’

    But wouldn’t that make Collins’ assassins proud?

    Oh my little Troll, I really must stop feeding you, however, your mindset disturbs me so much I reluctantly return.
    Firstly, to be honest, the thought of spitting on someones grave really does disturb me, its something I’ve never considered, and until you mentioned it something I’ve never heard mentioned. So it does honestly make me feel uncomfortable that there are people like you out there who have these thoughts – or even do these things. Do you?

    Another disturbing thought is your lack of understanding of freewill, surely anything I do should be about me, not making someone else proud, especially in this case some who has been dead for many years (I suspect).

    But it has got me thinking, and as you seem to be the expert on spitting on graves, if someone (possibly yourself, as I suspect grave-spitters are a rare breed) was to spit on Cromwells grave would the Queen be proud of them even do he had already been dead for several years before her relatives dug him up and er executed him again.

    Or possibly (in your expert opinion) would it help to get membership of my local British Legion if I was to tell them that I’d gone around Europe and spat on all the graves of the World War One soldiers who had been shot for cowardice.

    Dammit, Troll, you’ve got me, thinking thoughts I’d rather not.

  • Fin, IMO it’s not good enough for Joe and Josey Public, irrespective of their creed, class, ethnicity or constitutional aspiration.

  • fin

    Dunreavynomore, gee Murphy might aswell give up now you make him responsible for both the IRAs behaviour and the PSNIs, thats a tough place to be. Its a bit harsh dragging Eamonn Collins and blaming Murphy, I think its fair to say he’d have had to get in the queue for that one. But you’ve got me stumped with mentioning Collins and Campbell in one go is it hug a tout and dissident day

    Nevin, you are right, but, its baby steps, today is better than yesterday, tomorrow will be better than today. However, the pace of change could be a lot quicker if others played their part instead of playing games.

  • nineteensixtyseven

    “Bit of a Nelsontype view 1967, from my take on history it was a bit of a two way street. ”

    As far as Provo attacks on SDLP members go it certainly was not a two way street.

  • fin, I don’t view paramilitary control of local communities and the related policing impotence as progress. It would not be tolerated by the authorities as a practice in the rest of these two islands.

  • fin

    Nevin, nothing that was considered normal in NI from single party government, to discrimination, to gerrymandering, to pogroms, etc etc would be tolerated anywhere in the western world. The fact that these unacceptable things are been kicked out as democracy slowly take hold should be acknowledged, aswell as focusing on the things that still need to change. It takes different mindsets different amounts of time to realise how life is now,

    OK 1967 I’ll stick the SDLP on the list with Supergrasses, unsolved murders, and dissidents, and supporting the PSNI. I still don’t see where you’re going with this

  • nineteensixtyseven

    fin,

    I’m not sure where the confusion lies. It’s wrong to attack someone’s house but I can find no sympathy within me for Murphy himself given the Provo’s record on this, whether on John Hume, John Fee or anyone else.

  • fin, the electorate, in its ultimate wisdom, has elected some of those who’ve carried out ‘unacceptable things’ to public office. And some call that democracy and demand that such mandates are respected ….

  • dunreavynomore

    Fin
    I’ll leave the hugging of informers to people like Connor, McGuinness and co who have taken it up as a profession, and am simply pointing out that there are many reasons, such as a suspicion of s.f or ira collusion in the arrest of Campbell and the obnoxious behaviour of some of chinny’s family which could be advanced for the attack on cars, including the murder of Collins and the burning of his house by the ira in Murphy’s domain.If there is any part of this difficult for you to understand I will explain it in more detail later.

  • fin

    Nevin, nationalists consider it a step forward to be able to go into government with unsavory politicans, it a step forward from been locked out of the big house that the unsavory politicans ruled from, like I said ‘single party government, to discrimination, to gerrymandering, to pogroms, etc etc’ and the rest, so if nationalists can hold their noses and do it, don’t see why others can’t.

    so when’s the sell-by date 1967, you sound like those obnoxious ‘little englanders’ who bang on about Germany and the war, and the French all the time (much to the bemusement of the Germans and the French). Do nationalists get to have the same emotions, did Marty make the wrong comments when 2 soldiers and a copper were shot recently, was the correct response ‘heyho, unfortunate, shouldn’t have happened but don’t expect any sympathy from me’

    mmh Dunreavy, you dislike SF because you think they may be touts, but also because you believe they were involved in killing a tout, however nice to see there’s one crime in Armagh that the IRA aren’t getting the blame for.

  • dunreavynomore

    fin
    “you dislike SF because you think they may be touts, but also because you believe they were involved in killing a tout”,
    there you go again with your extra special specs on which enable you to see things unwritten and unimplied. I expressed no opinion on the murder of Collins or the later burning of his house but simply pointed out the coincidence that it is only a couple of fields away from chinny Murphy’s house thinking that even you could see a possible implication seeing as it was Murphy’s colleagues , whatever about himself, who slew Collins and then burned the property to keep the widow and children out of it. Those children mustn’t have been so important to Connor as I don’t remember him complaining about their position at the time.

    As for ‘one crime in Armagh that the IRA aren’t getting the blame for..’, funny enough a lot of people are suggesting that the IRA burned Murphy’s cars (carefully avoiding the house)in an effort to gee up their vote on election day. There will, of course, be a good claim to be made for the cars and for ‘trauma.’ Nothing would surprise me about them.
    Anyway, sure hasn’t chinny a good old ‘ministerial’ limo with a driver to get around in courtesy of her Britannic majesty’s government and paymasters.

  • brian

    wats wrong wif bombing a british ministers house

  • nineteensixtyseven

    “so when’s the sell-by date 1967, you sound like those obnoxious ‘little englanders’ who bang on about Germany and the war, and the French all the time (much to the bemusement of the Germans and the French). Do nationalists get to have the same emotions, did Marty make the wrong comments when 2 soldiers and a copper were shot recently, was the correct response ‘heyho, unfortunate, shouldn’t have happened but don’t expect any sympathy from me’”

    Most people would consider my sympathies more with nationalism than unionism so your comments are a little bemusing. Martin McGuinness has been very impressive over the last number of months and I genuinely believe he meant what he said. Sinn Féin have embraced change and that is a very welcome development. However, I would be lying if I said that I felt any personal sympathy for Murphy given recent history. Of course it is terrible that someone would attack the man and his family but I am not going to manufacture crocodile tears for your pleasure. Sorry, I was just being honest.

  • brian

    wen lynagh n co murdered british minister stronge in armagh is he any different he sung their praises gettin his ma in inlaw out at 80 odds hes concplaing it goes wif the job hes a british minister in ireland ireland holds these graves ireland will never see peace

  • brian

    wen lynagh n co murdered british minister stronge in armagh is he any different he sung their praises gettin his ma in inlaw out at 80 odds hes concplaing it goes wif the job hes a british minister in ireland ireland holds these graves ireland will never see peace

  • brian

    wen lynagh n co murdered british minister stronge in armagh is he any different he sung their praises gettin his ma in inlaw out at 80 odds hes concplaing it goes wif the job hes a british minister in ireland ireland holds these graves ireland will never see peace