Below the radar..

Underneath the EU election radar there have been a number of other violent incidents recently which are perhaps worth noting. Not that it’s only in these areas. In Londonderry, repeated trouble at a sectarian flashpoint included threats to those ubiquitous community workers. And seven masked men attacked and threatened a teenager at the weekend. Whilst in Belfast, Gerard Devlin’s son was shot in the leg by three masked men on 20 May. And last night a man in his 20s was shot in the knees and ankles in the communal hallway of a block of flats in Andersonstown. Sectarianism? And/Or ongoing bids to exert control.. Adds As Mick has noted, there’s been an arson attack at the home of Northern Ireland DRD Minister Conor Murphy, MP, MLA, and two ongoing security alerts in Lurgan.

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  • pete whitcroft

    None of the paramilitary groups have gone away.

  • padraig

    Baker,

    Do explain exactly how a man getting shot in Andersonstown could even remotely be attributed to sectarianism?

    The crap in Derry is mindless sectarian thuggery – of that, and the fact that both sides are as culpable as the other in this particular instance, there can be no doubt.

    But to even timidly query as to whether or not punishment shootings in nationalist areas have anything to do with sectarian bigotry is absurd and suggests you may have some sort of hidden agenda.

  • Pigeo Toes

    Padraig

    “And/OR” in Peter;s post might give that one away.

  • padraig

    [i]“And/OR” in Peter;s post might give that one away. [/i]

    The implication is still firmly there. If it wasn’t, I’d assume that it would have been much wiser to divide the incidents in the following manner:

    Kevin McDaid murder, Bishop St/Fountain trouble: sectarian motives, pure and simple

    ‘Punishment’ beatings and shootings: dissidents attempting to exert control

    But no, Baker still goes to the trouble to suggest that shootings and beatings inflicted by ‘republicans’ on members of their community [i]could[/i] could be motivated by sectarianism.

    This really has to be one of the most pointless threads I’ve ever read on Slugger. Jesus, in this day and age how are you still unable to see the differences between the circumstances surrounding sectarian rioting/murder and republican “community justice”?

  • Coleraine Chronicle: “Two teenagers have appeared in court charged with the attempted murder of a man in the Harpurs Hill area of Coleraine on Saturday evening [May 30] … Police do not believe the incident was sectarian ..”

    So, if a ‘tribe’ member does it it’s not really all that bad. Sheesh.

    Funnily enough, there were no words of condemnation or evasion by politicians or clergy – or if there were, the paper didn’t seek them out.

  • Dave

    “Kevin McDaid murder… sectarian motives, pure and simple”

    Was the dispute over the flying of Vatican flag or the flying of a national flag? If it was the former, then it was sectarian; if it was the latter, then it was political.

  • uladh

    [i]Was the dispute over the flying of Vatican flag or the flying of a national flag? If it was the former, then it was sectarian; if it was the latter, then it was political. [/i]

    Ah, ok then. Are you implying that if he had been a Protestant, yet nevertheless supported the formation of a 32-country republic, then these thugs would still have killed him – yes or no?

    If your answer is yes then, “pure and simple”, you’re a complete idiot.

    “Aye but sure the lads stopped and asked the poor fella his political views before they proceded to beat him to death while some attended to his wife and a pregnant woman.”

  • Big Maggie

    Dave,

    Would you settle for sectopolitical or polisectarian?

  • Dave, if I was battered within an inch of my life semantics would probably be the last thing on my mind; ditto for the next inch.

    However, under certain clearly defined circumstances, there would be certain politicians, clergy and, let’s not forget, solicitors dancing on my grave – even before I was interred.

  • coleraine catlick

    the deniers are out in force. i see that a tangled web resident charmer andrew mccann is spreading his sweetness and shite far and wide. he was pretending to be in the north over on the tribune and he was found out. friggin hilarious!!!!!

    http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/may/31/we-knew-this-was-coming/

  • dunreavynomore

    coleraine catlick

    Who is this Andrew McCann? I’ve seen many less than complimentary comments about him but don’t have the foggiest notion who or what he is.

  • coleraine catlick

    hes a bigot and racist and i dont know what else!
    now he’s trying to deny he’s the same mccann lol. i just posted this on the trib site…

    ‘Are you the same Andrew McCann who regularly posts on David Vance’s blog?’

    No, but his name provides a suitable pseudonym.’

    odd then that this mccann’s language is eerily similar to the guy on atangled web! he writes ‘co-terminous’ an unusual word it’s usually conterminous and he misspells it with a hyphen exactly as andrew mccann did on august 14 2008. yes i googled it so can anybody lol. i think mr mccann should come clean!!!

    http://atangledweb.squarespace.com/httpatangledwebsquarespace/tricolours-down.html?currentPage=2

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Dave,

    re political v sectraian.

    In relation to ‘loyalism’ the relatinoship between politics and religion, as encapsulated in the OO, is so close, that it is very difficult to seperate them as motivational factors.

  • Pete Baker

    padraig

    The link, that you [and others] apparently cannot see, is that it is all about exerting control.

  • uladh,

    Are you implying that if he had been a Protestant, yet nevertheless supported the formation of a 32-country republic, then these thugs would still have killed him – yes or no?

    Yes (and I’m not a complete idiot). There are many examples of loyalist thugs killing or injuring Prods who they think are Catholics – they don’t stop and ask. Also, they have actively targeted Prods who ‘support the formation of a 32-county republic’ – remember John Turnly or Ronnie Bunting?

  • “it is all about exerting control.”

    Pete, folks might like to follow the Maranatha Memorandum link on a Slugger 2006 discussion.