And then there were three…

Third defection from DUP to UUP is Jim Kirkpatrick, who has already crossed the line the other way in the past… According to Ken Reid’s UTV blog he’s citing differences with Robinson over the the Executive’s handling of the economy… He also notes that “There is also speculation Limavady councillor Lesley Cubitt will be giving his support to the new Conservative-Unionist alliance.” Cubitt was one of the people said to be behind Robert McCartney’s illfated push for anti Agreement seats, and failed to make much impression… But it all adds a little to the momentum (isn’t this the kind of trick we usually look to the DUP to pull off?)…

O’Neill has the fuller dope (no offence!! ;-))…

  • Tut, tut Mick too slow:)

    Councillor Leslie Cubitt:

    “I fully endorse Jim Nicholson and I would urge everyone in the pro-Union community to give him their Number 1 preference on June 4.

    “Jim has a wonderful record of hard work and achievement in the European Parliament and has been a great friend of the agricultural industry and small business in his time as an MEP. He is easily the most experienced of the candidates.”

  • The Impartial Observer
  • labourNIman

    These are hardly serious names and as most have already jumped ship a couple of times it shows they are sheep following possible MP candidate spots

  • The Impartial Observer

    And I’m also too slow!!!!

  • New Blue

    Three in two days, what are the DUP feeding their elected representatives?

    And that’s before those who have been preparing to jump on over to the TUV have started making noises?

    Will the last person to leave the DUP please remember to turn the lights off?

  • WindsorRocker

    Hmmm, I saw Jim out canvassing for the DUP in South Belfast a couple of weeks ago…….

    Rather puzzling……

    Ach well, he’ll know most of the people in the UUP, he only left it a few years ago. Must be the only man to served 3 spells in the UUP and 2 in the DUP…….

  • Jonathan Crawford

    I am pretty suprised by Leslie Cubitt. I think he’s in TUV and was canvassing away for Jim Allister.

    I’d be suprised if he moved to UCUNF but I’ll see what I can find out.

  • 3rd Time Lucky

    An SDLP source in City Hall told me Jim Kirkpatrick unsuccessfully sought the DUP nomination for Lord Mayor only last week.

    I wonder if this had any influence on his decision?

  • nineteensixtyseven

    Cubitt is a bit of a joke. I think he’s trying to break a world record in changing parties the most times in the space of one mandate. From DUP to UKUP to UUC to TUV to UCUNF! Changing the deckchairs…

  • Big Maggie

    “Which of you by taking thought can add one cubitt unto his stature?” ~ Matthew 6:27

  • oneill

    “From DUP to UKUP to UUC to TUV to UCUNF! ”

    Try reading what he’s actually said nineteensixtysix.

  • nineteensixtyseven

    I’m not sure I’m the one who needs to do the reading, oneill.

    He said that he is endorsing UCUNF so he can’t be TUV anymore and is therefore more UCUNF than anything else even if he’s nominally independent. The man has backed at least 3 different parties since he was elected as a DUP councillor.

  • oneill

    nineteensixtysix

    Where in the link does it say he’s a member of the TUV and where does it say he’s joined the Conservatives and Unionists?

  • nineteensixtyseven

    oneill,

    Get your reading glasses on, my username is not nineteensixtysix.

    It doesn’t say he has joined them, I said above that he has endorsed UCUNF and not too long ago he endorsed TUV along with Boyd Douglas. The point I am making is that because he is independent an endorsement is nearly as good as joining and the fact that he has endorsed 3 different parties in the space of one mandate- two anti-Agreement and one pro-Agreement- is laughable.

  • oneill

    1966-7,

    “I think he’s trying to break a world record in changing parties the most times in the space of one mandate”

    Sorry to be pedantic but that’s what you said 2 comments ago.
    He’s not changing parties, but I see you’ve now corrected yourself in your latest comment, so we can leave it there.

    More importantly, who’s the next defection going to be from the DUPed?

    And has Jim Allister got a few DUP defections of his own up his sleeve to announce on election eve?

    Will all be revealed tomorrow?

    Sleep well Dupes.

  • percy

    lol New Blue
    you got that from The Sun re Kinnock 1992
    anyway you must be delighted with the news of the defections.
    Am busy scurrying around Ireland to find a Daithi Camloughon capable of uniting Eire, before Dave Cameron secures the Union forever.. Eek 😉

  • 3rd Time Lucky

    Is he the same Jim Kirkpatrick who was pictured at a TUV dinner?

  • New Blue

    Percy

    Don’t worry, all you have to do is convince a majority to vote for a UI and then get ROI to ratify it.

    Some here believe that can be done before the next Westminster elections

    Glad you got the Kinnock thing.

  • Greenflag

    And it came to pass that the Ark in those days overfloweth with divers unionists and their kind -the DUP, UCUNF, UUP , TUV , AP and others still to come .

    And lo when the Lord calleth out to Noah and commandeth him to gather in two of every animal in creation – he neglecteth to include Unionists among the animals. Political animals had not yet been invented . And thus it was that Cubitt the Unionist, the sailor of many Arks, alloweth divers Unionist parties to crowd on board the ark . But the Unionists gathereth too much on the starboard side (right side ) so that the ship now keeleth over to the tipping point. And Noah feareth mightily that if any more unionists gathereth on board that zebras and lions will perish . For beyond the tipping point lieth perdition amongst the fishes of the snot green sea 😉

  • percy

    easy as that New Blue 😉
    seriously, Dave and the New Force will be a breath of fresh air here in “norn iron” in terms of normality on these issues:
    tolerance of gays,( equality) less religious fundamentalism, more awareness of man-made climate change, and of course economic issues.
    That can only be a good thing!

  • Big Maggie

    Greenflag,

    LOL. There’s lots of mileage in the Guid Book :^)

    percy,

    “tolerance of gays,( equality) less religious fundamentalism, more awareness of man-made climate change, and of course economic issues.”

    I’m still trying to work out the common denominator there. Any idea why a person embracing one of those anti’s should embrace all of them? I mean, how are they related? It can’t be down to the Bible as that book doesn’t exactly go into depth on global warming.

    Or perhaps it does…

  • Sam Flanagan

    BM;
    The Bible does deal with “global warming,” though not in the way people think of it today!

    The Bible also tells of “climate change,” at the time it happened only 8 people believed it!

    You obviously do not know much about the Bible or anything else do you????????

  • Big Maggie

    Sam Flanagan,

    You always make me smile :^)

    Care to elaborate on this biblical references? I’m listening. Genuinely.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Sam,

    Don’t tell me you’re going to start this bullshit again. Aren’t you the weirdo who keeps mentioning that batty geneticist at QUB ?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Three in two days, what are the DUP feeding their elected representatives?

    I think you’re asking the wrong questions. You have to ask why elected representatives who up until recently appeared to be committed to their party have decided, very suddenly and often in the immediate aftermath of failing to secure a nomination or some other kind of party office, that their party was no good and that the future lay with another one.

    Compare and contrast this with, for example, the MP for North Down whose distaste for the Conservatives and voting record with the Labour Party made it obvious for a very long time that the Tory link up would not work for her.

    Bear in mind, moreover, that the changes in local government mean that there are many fewer council seats than have existed up until now. Councillors everywhere are busy organizing their affairs and discussing with their parties where the future lies. I’ll wager that those who have jumped in this instance would have faced a battle in the constituency selection meetings and may well have been told in private that they did not stand a chance. Perhaps they have decided, instead of biding their time, to instead take their chance that voter recognition of their name will see them through. This is highly unlikely.

    And that’s before those who have been preparing to jump on over to the TUV have started making noises?

    Yes indeed. And do you think disaffected Eirigi members might also join ? You should canvass Mark McGregor.

    Will the last person to leave the DUP please remember to turn the lights off?

    Please calm down and try not to blow your load all over the place. The DUP have successfully beaten the UUP into a corner. In fairness to them, they did that through a combination of excellent constituency work and a consistent message to the voters. The UUP do not have a record of constituency work. They also do not have a consistent message for the voters. UCUNF will need to come up with both of those if it is to stand a chance of competing with the DUP in any way. I sincerely doubt that it can provide either.

  • eamonn mccann

    It isn’t the DUP which is feeding its elected representatives but the hapless British taxpayer.

  • Carson’s Cat

    Comrade Stalin
    Bugger me.. can’t find anything to take issue with there!

    The reduction in Cllrs in 2 yrs time is clearly having an effect. The transition committees are already in place and there is much looking ahead to 2011. I reckon any severance package for ‘long-serving’ Cllrs should probably be scrapped because so few are going to take it up. It would also save the public purse a few quid.

    However, its patently clear that someone like Greenaway in Dungannon is deadwood who was never going to get another crack at election within the DUP. For what its worth I’d like to think that the UUP wouldn’t even be stupid enough to put him forwrd (but I wouldn’t want to bet too much on it). They’re just happy to take on a waster for a while to inflict a blow on the DUP. They done with another DUP Cllr in Belfast a while back – funnily enough she hadn’t made (and still hasn’t) a single speech in the Council chamber during her entire time as a member and was surely heading for the door.

    Kirkpatrick’s been in more parties than Paris Hilton and if the DUP haven’t learnt a lesson by now then the one to take is to never let any of these wasters who have jumped ship before and then came back to fool them twice. The UUP would do well to think about the same lesson because around the corner there’s probably someone who’ll leave them because they reckon better electoral prospects lie elsewhere or they’ve fallen out with their colleagues over the vice-chairmanship of a committee looking after council grass cutting or some such excitement.

    Nice to see O’Neill outlining some of the UCUNF/TUV luv-in which has been ongoing for some time. You do have do wonder did they carve up a few defections. Given that Kirkpatrick attended a TUV dinner and Greenaway’s missus is a TUV nutter in Dungannon surely the natural home would have been with the crazies. Maybe there is another defection coming with someone going to the TUV. Frankly I don’t much care, but maybe that’s what Reggie and one of Allister’s staff members were discussing at their meeting in Connswater shopping centre.

    I’ve talked to a few people today and not a single solitary person has mentioned the defection of a few Cllrs who massively overestimate their own fame and importance. Compared to expenses and stuff which people actually care about this is just a bit of background noise.

  • Sam Flanagan

    Mick;
    I am sure the “Think Israel,” advertisement will cause,”a spirited debate!”
    lol

  • Elvis Parker

    Have to admit Ian junior’s description of the Conservatives and Unionists as a sinking ship made me laugh. The guy is so parochial he appears not to realise the Conservatives are odds on to win the next General Election.
    Seems he didnt do much research at Westminster when Daddy was employing him as his House of Commons Assistant whilst he was also an MLA and Minister!
    BTW the most recent Register shows the Doc STILL employs Ian Og, and daughters Rhonda and Cherith. Surely with mummy in the Lords they could give the Robinsons and Dodds a run for their run in the nepotism and greed stakes

  • Big Maggie

    Elvis,

    “BTW the most recent Register shows the Doc STILL employs Ian Og, and daughters Rhonda and Cherith. Surely with mummy in the Lords they could give the Robinsons and Dodds a run for their run in the nepotism and greed stakes”

    The lure of the ready readies doth make unprincipled principled people of us all.

  • north belfast watcher

    Let’s not forget that Jim Kirkpatrick’s nickname back in his last stint in the UUP was “Crazy Horse” and it wasn’t because of his expertise in the rodeo ring.

    It’s hard to see though what comfort he hopes to find back in the UUP, where most people still remember how big a pain in the arse he was the last time. No doubt this is a quick one in the eye for the DUP before JK is taken out the back and disappeared.

    There is no mission of him being allowed to run in Balmoral where the UUP has one quota and one former Lord Mayor, namely Bobby Stoker (so it is). With nowhere for Bobby to go, Jim will be stitched up PDQ.

  • the joxer

    Any chance of a DUP ‘big-hitter’ leaving after the election and the summer re-shuffle. My money’s on ‘Slim’ Jim Wells, if he doesn’t get a ministery.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Will the last person to leave the DUP please remember to turn the lights off?’

    Wouldn’t have put you down as a Sun reader New Blue !

    http://www.bl.uk/learning/images/front page/If Kinnick Wins-st.jpg

  • New Blue

    RepublicanStones

    Leader writing (across the board ) has created some absolute classics, even the Sun can have a good day!

  • Comrade Stalin

    The reduction in Cllrs in 2 yrs time is clearly having an effect. The transition committees are already in place and there is much looking ahead to 2011. I reckon any severance package for ‘long-serving’ Cllrs should probably be scrapped because so few are going to take it up. It would also save the public purse a few quid.

    What makes you think so few are going to take up the severance package ? Just because they’re switching parties or announcing that they do not intend to stand again, does not mean they are not entitled to the money.

  • curious onlooker

    Carson’s Cat

    “Maybe there is another defection coming with someone going to the TUV.”

    Could it be Stalford? A couple of weeks ago I saw him in a coffee shop on the Belmont Road sitting at a table with (of all people) Cedric Wilson!

  • Carson’s Cat

    Comrade Stalin
    “What makes you think so few are going to take up the severance package”

    A combination of the facts that many are greedy, don’t know how popular/unpopular they are and simple addition.

    Standing down will net you £20k whereas running again has the potential to net about £10k per year for a 4 year term, plus any travel allowance etc.

    I reckon sufficient numbers will be try to have another crack at election to mean that not huge numbers will step down and take the package. Cllrs seem to believe they can go on forever for some reason.

    “Just because they’re switching parties or announcing that they do not intend to stand again, does not mean they are not entitled to the money.”

    We’ve heard of ones switching parties so far – there have been none who’ve said they’re not intending to run again….

    Jim ‘Crazy Horse’ Kirkpatrick is a case in point. He’s sniffed around between the DUP and UUP for years running to whichever one he believed would be most in need of an extra candidate to run at the next election. He’s obviously made that choice again.

  • YelloSmurf

    Taking this WAY back, Sam means Noah’s ark. Sorry, carry on.

  • Dear Deirdre

    Apparently there are 3 defections going to happen today with each of the unionist parties gaining 1.

  • Stalfy

    Defo Stalford going to UCUNF! LOL they have promised to make him leader…

  • curious onlooker

    If it is Stalford, then the DUP has only themselves to blame.Why are they letting all the young able people like Deirdre and him go? Why didn’t they put him forward for Mayor? He’s at least as able as the other candidates.We need more young people.

  • realist

    Jim Kirkpatrick and Deidre Nelson hardly a big loss. Both are opportunists who are just after the chance of running for Westminster, neither of whom have a chance in South Belfast and North Antrim respectively.

    Had Deidre have gotten selected to run for Europe she would still be in the party, and as for Jim for someone who was out canvasing for the DUP in the Village area a couple of weeks ago he couldn’t have had too much of a problem with the party. Prehaps had he have gotten something at the council meeting on Tuesday night he might still be in the DUP.

  • Christopher Stalford

    CO and Stalfy

    Nice try, but no! Still Belfast Councillor and Leader of UCUNF are roughly analogous I suppose!

    If I’sd realised passing the time of day with Cedric whilst waiting for my coffee order in Eat Etc. would get me into so much trouble I never would have bothered!

    LOL!

  • Curious Onlooker

    If this is a genuine posting from Christopher, I must say I’m relieved.

  • Christopher Stalford

    Your such a spoofer whoever you are!! Wind-up merchant!

  • Kunbbungchow

    Come come everyone. We know Stalfy isn’t pissed off with the DUP because of what Carson’s cat wrote.

  • Stalfy

    I think reading that Godson book has swayed Stalfy a bit…

  • UCUNF Believer

    Oh Dear God, I thought you were serious about a Stalford move for a second there. I couldn’t think of a worse individual from the DUP to ‘defect’. No offense Christopher, but you’re not really the sort of political material we’d be interested in. You do a good job as DUP man, stick with it – UCUNF isn’t the direction for you!

  • UCUNF Believer

    Actually, I should correct my comment slightly there….

    I couldn’t think of a worse ‘elected’ individual from the DUP to defect.

    The DUP are welcome to the Hoggs of this world.

  • SM

    Somewhat off topic but what did folk think of the CUs most recent PEB? We got a thread to review each parties first one but not the subsequent ones – for the CUs the third PEB is largely new footage compared to the first one (second one was fairly similar to first one IIRC)

  • Greenflag

    Big Maggie ,

    ‘There’s lots of mileage in the Guid Book :^)

    There is indeed – need a little smiting of Moabites to justify ethnic cleansing and there it is in guid Book . Thanks be to jaysus 🙁

    There is another book which needs to be written 😉 The title almost throws itself at anybody even halfway familiar with NI politics .

    ‘A Guide Book to the Unionist political parties of Northern Ireland ‘ (too long a title perhaps ?

    ‘Unionism 57 varieties and thats just for starters’ ?

    ‘Cubitt the Hobbit hops around Unionism ‘ ( A biblical tale of upstanding righteousness and moral high ground unionism minus the obvious underlying shite ) 😉

    As a non fan of Unionism I still think the DUP are probably the best bet . Jim Alastair for all his personal qualities is a one man band and a spoiler . But it might be no harm to send him to Europe . Should keep him off the front pages eh ?

    The UCUNF hype is hard to take with Nicholsons ‘Vote for Change ‘ being about as credible a slogan as if Moses on coming down from the mountain of the Lord had stated to the multitude of the first Chosen people .

    ‘Lookee here children of Israel (holding up tablet of stone 0. I negotiated Jehovah down from 40 commandments to 10 -now can I still lead y’all into the promisssory note land ‘

  • Big Maggie

    Greenflag,

    Very amusing comment!

    “Jim Alastair for all his personal qualities is a one man band and a spoiler . But it might be no harm to send him to Europe . Should keep him off the front pages eh ?”

    I want to see them all hanging from lampposts. Correction: NOT hanging from lampposts. Roll on Friday when I won’t have to look at Jim Alister’s ugly mug any more.

    How come NI is coming down with those wretched posters and Britain has a meagre scattering?

  • Greenflag

    Big maggie ,

    ‘I want to see them all hanging from lampposts’

    So not just the posters then ;)?

    ‘Correction: NOT hanging from lampposts.’

    Gallows ? Tree ? Bridge ?

    I can see your point but must advise that those who should be hanged must first receive a fair trial although I can perfectly understand if you would wish to dispense with same at lest on this occassion .

    ‘How come NI is coming down with those wretched posters and Britain has a meagre scattering?

    It’s the penile erectal dysfunction syndrom at play . If I have more and bigger posters than you I get more votes than you or that’s the theory anyway . Complete bollocks of course but hey we’re dealing with NI elections .

    Still I have to admit this one could be exciting and my best wishes go out to all the candidates yes even Allister . Elections are a better way to resolve issues than the ‘other ‘ more direct alternative which can be decisive in it’s own way but tends to provide lot of extra business for the funeral undertaker business .

    If Allister should somehow top the poll on the Unionist side I would recommend immediate repartition as the best precaution to a certain return to community wide sectarian violence under the TUV .